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Siefer wrote:

CharityStripe34 wrote:

randy84 wrote:Giannis needs to understand who should have the ball in their hands at the end of the game. Grief needs to stop listening to Giannis.

The entire overtime Gianni was setting screens and passing to wide open shooters. I don't think he was asking Griffin "Yo, coach, I got this" with the FTs.

Yep, I'm increasingly worried that on top of the awful game plans, he's actively seeking Giannis's approval, Blatt style.

Giannis needs to be inbounding on those late plays. He's actively great at it, and it keeps him off the line. I think Griff wants him on the floor because that's "his superstar."

So now Giannis is an uncoachable diva because it fits the needy and incompetent Griffin narrative? I'm getting the popcorn for the next chapter in this fantasy.

It is legitimately shocking that Griff doesn't even try to sub offense/defense in tight end-game situations. I am not confident he even thinks about it as an option - we're just rolling with Beasley at the point of attack when we need a stop, and it's insane. I think Griff is stuck on "the starters play at the end of the game" and game context doesn't matter a lick.

sidney lanier wrote:

Siefer wrote:

CharityStripe34 wrote:
The entire overtime Gianni was setting screens and passing to wide open shooters. I don't think he was asking Griffin "Yo, coach, I got this" with the FTs.

Yep, I'm increasingly worried that on top of the awful game plans, he's actively seeking Giannis's approval, Blatt style.

Giannis needs to be inbounding on those late plays. He's actively great at it, and it keeps him off the line. I think Griff wants him on the floor because that's "his superstar."

So now Giannis is an uncoachable diva because it fits the needy and incompetent Griffin narrative? I'm getting the popcorn for the next chapter in this fantasy.

You misunderstand. I'm saying I'm worried that Griff has a sycophantic disposition because he thinks pandering to Giannis protects his job, not that Giannis demands it.

Siefer wrote:

CharityStripe34 wrote:

randy84 wrote:Giannis needs to understand who should have the ball in their hands at the end of the game. Grief needs to stop listening to Giannis.

The entire overtime Gianni was setting screens and passing to wide open shooters. I don't think he was asking Griffin "Yo, coach, I got this" with the FTs.

Yep, I'm increasingly worried that on top of the awful game plans, he's actively seeking Giannis's approval, Blatt style.

Giannis needs to be inbounding on those late plays. He's actively great at it, and it keeps him off the line. I think Griff wants him on the floor because that's "his superstar."

I think it's tempting to put Giannis on the court when you really need somebody to catch the ball, because I fully believe that Giannis is the greatest pass catcher the sport has ever seen. But then you get to the part of the thought exercise where he's got all easy catches because the other team wants him to catch it.

BTW, if it's a FT shootout and AJ is sitting, you're doing it wrong.

emunney wrote:

Siefer wrote:

CharityStripe34 wrote:
The entire overtime Gianni was setting screens and passing to wide open shooters. I don't think he was asking Griffin "Yo, coach, I got this" with the FTs.

Yep, I'm increasingly worried that on top of the awful game plans, he's actively seeking Giannis's approval, Blatt style.

Giannis needs to be inbounding on those late plays. He's actively great at it, and it keeps him off the line. I think Griff wants him on the floor because that's "his superstar."

I think it's tempting to put Giannis on the court when you really need somebody to catch the ball, because I fully believe that Giannis is the greatest pass catcher the sport has ever seen. But then you get to the part of the thought exercise where he's got all easy catches because the other team wants him to catch it.

BTW, if it's a FT shootout and AJ is sitting, you're doing it wrong.

To swerve for a second, Woz somehow fell lower in my esteem with his little rant about Giannis not having good hands. I went in thinking he fundamentally doesn't understand basketball on top of not watching the games, but I guess we hadn't found bottom yet!

sidney lanier wrote:

Siefer wrote:

CharityStripe34 wrote:
The entire overtime Gianni was setting screens and passing to wide open shooters. I don't think he was asking Griffin "Yo, coach, I got this" with the FTs.

Yep, I'm increasingly worried that on top of the awful game plans, he's actively seeking Giannis's approval, Blatt style.

Giannis needs to be inbounding on those late plays. He's actively great at it, and it keeps him off the line. I think Griff wants him on the floor because that's "his superstar."

So now Giannis is an uncoachable diva because it fits the needy and incompetent Griffin narrative? I'm getting the popcorn for the next chapter in this fantasy.

Not uncoachable, but he definitely has this complex about being the guy and needs someone he trusts to reel him in a bit or else he'll do things like, I don't know, take pull up 3's in close games as a 23.5% three point shooter. Griffin is instead enabling him because he knows if he has Giannis on his side then his job is safe. Bud was afraid to reel him in too.

The career FT percentages of everyone else besides Giannis on the floor during both of those take fouls:

90%
80%
80%
77% (Pat)

And you have the coach literally admitting in the presser that "Giannis was the second option" there in a situation where you know they're getting fouled as soon as it's inbounded. Just imagine if Middleton and his career 88% were there in place of Pat and how much worse it'd look. At this point, you need to get Griffin a Mike McCarthy-esque laminated chart that simply lists the FT percentage of his starters.

Ron Swanson wrote:The career FT percentages of everyone else besides Giannis on the floor during both of those take fouls:

90%
80%
80%
77% (Pat)

And you have the coach literally admitting in the presser that "Giannis was the second option" there in a situation where you know they're getting fouled as soon as it's inbounded. Just imagine if Middleton and his career 88% were there in place of Pat and how much worse it'd look. At this point, you need to get Griffin a Mike McCarthy-esque laminated chart that simply lists the FT percentage of his starters.

This isn't even a Mike McCarthy doesn't get the analytics of yards per pass attempt or something, it's basic 5th grade math.

Man, you guys are all focused on dumb **** like schemes, implementation of a culture, and organizational ability, but I dare you to find another head coach who can tell you what Brene Brown says about leadership for a basketball team.

ReasonablySober wrote:

Read on Twitter

He body checked a NBA player running down the court during a semi-fast break. I'm not sure what is a more embarrassing double-downing, him or AG re:Giannis FTs?

MissKhriddleton wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:The career FT percentages of everyone else besides Giannis on the floor during both of those take fouls:

90%
80%
80%
77% (Pat)

And you have the coach literally admitting in the presser that "Giannis was the second option" there in a situation where you know they're getting fouled as soon as it's inbounded. Just imagine if Middleton and his career 88% were there in place of Pat and how much worse it'd look. At this point, you need to get Griffin a Mike McCarthy-esque laminated chart that simply lists the FT percentage of his starters.

This isn't even a Mike McCarthy doesn't get the analytics of yards per pass attempt or something, it's basic 5th grade math.

And like basic 5th grade math, it might be an oversimplification because the students lack the ability to get inside the numbers and therefore look only at crude aggregates.

If there were crosstab data available for Giannis's FT%, and maybe there is, I would be interested to see whether he is better in close games or late game situations. I suspect there might be a Game 6 effect.

Everyone here, Griffin haters and others, recognizes that what happens in January casts a shadow over what happens in April and May. If Mr. Ph.D. in leadership wants to bolster the FT confidence of the guy likeliest to be on the line when the season is on the line during the playoffs by calling him the second option in a relatively unimportant January game, I'm OK with it. Haters will of course fit this to their Griff-is-an-idiot narrative, but that's a predictable bias.

If you disagree with someone post the reasons why. One line personal attack? No. MD

I think I saw the game winner 50 times already. Pretty good week for the Wisconsin sports I would say. I saw the most of the packers game last night too.

Stop bitching after wins this season. Griffin won't go anywhere unless he screw ups in the playoffs like Bud in the 1st or 2nd round.

We are all offense this season and there is nothing we can do without a trade or Crowder coming back and making a difference. All we need to do is to stay close till the end.

"Bolster the FT confidence" is some top tier spin for what was comically stupid late game coaching. We should push Giannis to chuck more 3s in crunch time too to bolster his 3PT confidence for a playoff series against the Heat/Celtics/Sixers.imo

sidney lanier wrote:

MissKhriddleton wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:The career FT percentages of everyone else besides Giannis on the floor during both of those take fouls:

90%
80%
80%
77% (Pat)

And you have the coach literally admitting in the presser that "Giannis was the second option" there in a situation where you know they're getting fouled as soon as it's inbounded. Just imagine if Middleton and his career 88% were there in place of Pat and how much worse it'd look. At this point, you need to get Griffin a Mike McCarthy-esque laminated chart that simply lists the FT percentage of his starters.

This isn't even a Mike McCarthy doesn't get the analytics of yards per pass attempt or something, it's basic 5th grade math.

And like basic 5th grade math, it might be an oversimplification because the students lack the ability to get inside the numbers and therefore look only at crude aggregates.

If there were crosstab data available for Giannis's FT%, and maybe there is, I would be interested to see whether he is better in close games or late game situations. I suspect there might be a Game 6 effect.

Everyone here, Griffin haters and others, recognizes that what happens in January casts a shadow over what happens in April and May. If Mr. Ph.D. in leadership wants to bolster the FT confidence of the guy likeliest to be on the line when the season is on the line during the playoffs by calling him the second option in a relatively unimportant January game, I'm OK with it. Haters will of course fit this to their Griff-is-an-idiot narrative, but that's a predictable bias.

It's easy to dismiss someone as being a "hater" with a long irrelevant post.

Putting the team in a position to lose a game with a dumb decision is just that, dumb. It was easily avoidable. The fact we ended up winning the game doesn't make it less dumb. What Ron said is true.

Rather be a "hater" than an enabler.

Never seen anyone on this board defend someone like Sid does Griff.

I think you can make the argument that Giannis is a good second option because of his size and ability to catch the ball if you just put it in his vicinity. However, if the reasoning is literally championship DNA then, yeah, it's not a good rationalization to put it mildly. Especially considering all the other players out there with him besides Lillard have it as well.

sidney lanier wrote:

PhoenixMilwauke wrote:

sidney lanier wrote:20-20 hindsight certainly isn't. One of my pet peeves in business is the Monday morning quarterbacking that occurs when a 60-40 decision is made and the "I told you sos" pipe up from the sidelines when it comes up 40.

Take, for example, the decision to foul when up three in an end-game situation. Many times here we have been lectured that of course that's the right move because it prevents the possibility of the tying basket. Would you call that a 90-10 call? 50-50? 60-40? My point is the less likely thing might happen, and calling the decision idiotic because that's the way the dice land is itself well, I won't call it idiotic, but let's call it a bad misunderstanding of probabilistic decision-making.

The foul when up by 3 only comes into play when there are 7 seconds are less usually.
You can hear Marques allude to it as it was happening as well.

That was very poorly done. Griffin is popular with the players but the X's and O's, I'm not convinced about.

This guy uses 11 seconds or less, not 7. That seems reasonable to me.

https://www.82games.com/lawhorn.htm#:~:text=The%20basic%20conclusion%20we%20come,waning%20seconds%20of%20the%20game.

The guy who wrote the article thinks this is the only possibility After a foul..........
- The fouled player must make the first free throw.
- The fouled player must then miss the second attempt on purpose.
- The trailing team must then get an offensive rebound off the FT miss.
- The trailing team must then score off the rebound.

With 11 secs, you can easily foul again and get another shot. And then, it comes down to who can shoot FTs better. The argument isn't about fouling...it's a sound strategy. The argument was/is do it in such a way that they don't get a second chance which is by leaving 7 secs or less on the clock.

TroyD92 wrote:Never seen anyone on this board defend someone like Sid does Griff.

Must be his agent. Sad part is Griff makes alot of money.

PhoenixMilwauke wrote:

sidney lanier wrote:

PhoenixMilwauke wrote:
The foul when up by 3 only comes into play when there are 7 seconds are less usually.
You can hear Marques allude to it as it was happening as well.

That was very poorly done. Griffin is popular with the players but the X's and O's, I'm not convinced about.

This guy uses 11 seconds or less, not 7. That seems reasonable to me.

https://www.82games.com/lawhorn.htm#:~:text=The%20basic%20conclusion%20we%20come,waning%20seconds%20of%20the%20game.

The guy who wrote the article thinks this is the only possibility After a foul..........
- The fouled player must make the first free throw.
- The fouled player must then miss the second attempt on purpose.
- The trailing team must then get an offensive rebound off the FT miss.
- The trailing team must then score off the rebound.

With 11 secs, you can easily foul again and get another shot. And then, it comes down to who can shoot FTs better. The argument isn't about fouling...it's a sound strategy. The argument was/is do it in such a way that they don't get a second chance which is by leaving 7 secs or less on the clock.

The problem with this is that it is such a small sample size as stated. Last night game prove it wrong for sure.