Re: PG: Bucks Win 15th Straight over Kings
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:39 am
Yesterday in the clutch the Bucks had a 105 offensive rating and a 126 defensive rating. Thank you Dame Time for bailing us out.
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emunney wrote:Prez wrote:-Jragon- wrote:
Some fancy +/- number easily skewed against garbage teams doesn't change what we've seen happen
Lineup net ratings in 500 minute samples are fancy now? Aight man lol.
It's not that hard to think about. The midrange assassin playing with the guy who gets double teamed as soon as he crosses half court and the guy who brings the entire defense to the paint when he touches the FT line. Khris gets exactly what he wants with very little resistance.
TroyD92 wrote:Never seen anyone on this board defend someone like Sid does Griff.
tydett wrote:Profound23 wrote:tydett wrote:Man, you guys are all focused on dumb **** like schemes, implementation of a culture, and organizational ability, but I dare you to find another head coach who can tell you what Brene Brown says about leadership for a basketball team.
Anyone who quotes Brene Brown is honestly top of the line in my book. This tells me he understand self-reflection, growth, and utilizes therapy.
That is impressive if he truly understands Brene Brown.
I've had plenty of "leaders" who quote a line from Brene Brown who are miserable leaders. Being able to read one of her books or listen to a TEDtalk does not impress me.
Wonka wrote:tydett wrote:Profound23 wrote:
Anyone who quotes Brene Brown is honestly top of the line in my book. This tells me he understand self-reflection, growth, and utilizes therapy.
That is impressive if he truly understands Brene Brown.
I've had plenty of "leaders" who quote a line from Brene Brown who are miserable leaders. Being able to read one of her books or listen to a TEDtalk does not impress me.
I just googled a couple of Brene Brown quotes and now I’m a leader! Who knew??
DingleJerry wrote:sidney lanier wrote:TroyD92 wrote:Never seen anyone on this board defend someone like Sid does Griff.
You obviously missed the Epicurus/Stotts era.
And I'm really not that strong on Griffin. I do like him, I think he's won the locker room over, he seems engaged and knowledgeable, and most importantly he seems to be overseeing steady improvement.
What drives me to long irrelevant posts are what to me appear to be unfair criticisms based on long-held opinions spouted as though they were facts.
What makes you think he's won the locker room over? I would say with the info and leaks so far that the opposite were true. You have a coach straight up quitting, Bobbys thing in Vegas, then it being intentionally leaked after, Dame looking frustrated AF and then leaving the team for a bit, Giannis openly calling out the team/coaches publicly, Dame openly complaining about his role, etc.
Though, I do grant the response from last Monday-ish to now is a positive sign to the locker room not being completely lost and maybe that bad spell got them to come together a bit. I'd grant the response from then until now is a good sign on this topic. But prior to the Bos game I have no idea how anyone could think that, it seemed there was about to be the players pushing him out.
sidney lanier wrote:DingleJerry wrote:sidney lanier wrote:
You obviously missed the Epicurus/Stotts era.
And I'm really not that strong on Griffin. I do like him, I think he's won the locker room over, he seems engaged and knowledgeable, and most importantly he seems to be overseeing steady improvement.
What drives me to long irrelevant posts are what to me appear to be unfair criticisms based on long-held opinions spouted as though they were facts.
What makes you think he's won the locker room over? I would say with the info and leaks so far that the opposite were true. You have a coach straight up quitting, Bobbys thing in Vegas, then it being intentionally leaked after, Dame looking frustrated AF and then leaving the team for a bit, Giannis openly calling out the team/coaches publicly, Dame openly complaining about his role, etc.
Though, I do grant the response from last Monday-ish to now is a positive sign to the locker room not being completely lost and maybe that bad spell got them to come together a bit. I'd grant the response from then until now is a good sign on this topic. But prior to the Bos game I have no idea how anyone could think that, it seemed there was about to be the players pushing him out.
As Charlie Rich once sang, no one knows what goes on behind closed doors, so the best we can do is extrapolate from what we see. And what I see is a team playing hard for their coach. The Bobby thing is just Bobby and appears to have been resolved, and as for Dame's sour puss, we're learning that that's just him, even when he makes a 35-foot buzzer-beater.
I think Griffin does ladle it on a little thick in postgame pressers. Everybody was terrific and fantastic and special, and I'm sure the overpraised players roll their eyes a bit when they hear it. But I see no evidence of resentment or mutiny and everybody seems to be pulling together. That's the main thing.
DingleJerry wrote:sidney lanier wrote:DingleJerry wrote:
What makes you think he's won the locker room over? I would say with the info and leaks so far that the opposite were true. You have a coach straight up quitting, Bobbys thing in Vegas, then it being intentionally leaked after, Dame looking frustrated AF and then leaving the team for a bit, Giannis openly calling out the team/coaches publicly, Dame openly complaining about his role, etc.
Though, I do grant the response from last Monday-ish to now is a positive sign to the locker room not being completely lost and maybe that bad spell got them to come together a bit. I'd grant the response from then until now is a good sign on this topic. But prior to the Bos game I have no idea how anyone could think that, it seemed there was about to be the players pushing him out.
As Charlie Rich once sang, no one knows what goes on behind closed doors, so the best we can do is extrapolate from what we see. And what I see is a team playing hard for their coach. The Bobby thing is just Bobby and appears to have been resolved, and as for Dame's sour puss, we're learning that that's just him, even when he makes a 35-foot buzzer-beater.
I think Griffin does ladle it on a little thick in postgame pressers. Everybody was terrific and fantastic and special, and I'm sure the overpraised players roll their eyes a bit when they hear it. But I see no evidence of resentment or mutiny and everybody seems to be pulling together. That's the main thing.
I mean, I just laid out a list of things that would qualify. These are things oft pointed to in sports as 'losing the locker room' type stuff. ETA: add to the list the players pushing to change back the drop, Brook being clearly the most frustrated he's been and constantly complaining on the court
A team playing hard is not at all what I would describe the first half of this season to be, really quite the opposite. It has been a team coasting and seemingly not caring all that much. Though again, I do grant these games bounceback and the care/effort in them does support what you're saying, prior to that though all the info/evidence idiots like us are privy to it is quite the opposite.
yannisk wrote:
what is a clutch game? I would guess a game where we have O-RTG: 120.9 and D-RTG: 99.5 would be over by mid third quarter
Prez wrote:-Jragon- wrote:So KM sat... and suddenly Dame Time came back again like it was last time KM sat..... shocked?
Your need to push this weird anti Khris agenda at seemingly any opportunity is so tired man. The last time Khris sat was against the 2-24 Pistons on a 22 game losing streak, like no **** Dame was able to pop off.
- Giannis/Dame lineups without Khris: -0.09 net rating in 489 minutes
- Giannis/Dame lineups with Khris: +14.82 net rating in 500 minutes
The best this team looks is when Khris is on the floor with them.
Sigra wrote:Prez wrote:-Jragon- wrote:So KM sat... and suddenly Dame Time came back again like it was last time KM sat..... shocked?
Your need to push this weird anti Khris agenda at seemingly any opportunity is so tired man. The last time Khris sat was against the 2-24 Pistons on a 22 game losing streak, like no **** Dame was able to pop off.
- Giannis/Dame lineups without Khris: -0.09 net rating in 489 minutes
- Giannis/Dame lineups with Khris: +14.82 net rating in 500 minutes
The best this team looks is when Khris is on the floor with them.
Khris is great player. OfCourse that we play better with him.
But also, there is no doubt that Dame played better when Khris was on minute restriction or when Khris didnt play.
When Khris play 30+ minutes (9 games) Dame numbers are terrible:
21 PPG
.369 FG%
.270 3P%
.894 FT%
In other 28 games Dame is much better :
26,5 PPG
.448 FG%
.380 3P%
.930 FT%
No surprise really. Dame was #1 superstar in his team for years. He will accept that he is after Giannis now. But it is probable hard for him to feel good when he is #3 option. When Midds start possessions before him. And dribble off his legs.
Now, we all hope that Khris will be healthy in playoffs and play 30+ minutes. But as we see, Dame is bad when Khris play 30+ minutes. Because when he is healthy Khris wants to be old Khris. So, its not only Giannis who wants to be same Giannis as he was before Dame. Khris also wants to be same Khris he was before Dame. They feel that this is their team. They won title together and play together for 11 years. It is clear chemistry problem with Dame and it is legit concern. Not only that we have problems at defense. We also have chemistry problem at offense.
-Jragon- wrote:emunney wrote:Prez wrote:Lineup net ratings in 500 minute samples are fancy now? Aight man lol.
It's not that hard to think about. The midrange assassin playing with the guy who gets double teamed as soon as he crosses half court and the guy who brings the entire defense to the paint when he touches the FT line. Khris gets exactly what he wants with very little resistance.
In theory that should work. If Khris chooses to attack 1v1 on closeouts or from a high post on 1-2 dribbles -- it works. If he demands the ball from Dame's hands when they are both in, it doesn't. If he dribbles through traffic, it doesn't. If we had a coach or player that could tell him to stop, it could. If he made a good decision and chose to stop it could, he hasn't. So point to to your watch in street clothes all you want but if you don't buy in to what you watched and let it happen when you are in then you can go somewhere else -- your defense has been killing us for a couple years anyways.
And no I don't care about your Net regular season BS stats because 80% of those teams won't even be in the playoffs. We know what Indy, Miami and Boston can do to Khris on defense.. $hit, he made his 6-2 PG cover his man last year in our a$$ whooping - what was our Net rating that series, genious? You think it can't happen again? The least you can do is adapt your damn game to not needing the ball in your hand and take it out of a legend point guard's hands. How selfish do you have to be to take the ball from a future hall of fame PG and he watches you kick it off your foot? Let him and Giannis find you in your favorite spots when they need you and spend more of your energy bending your knees on defense.
It's not an agenda; we will suffer the same fate as last year if something doesn't change. This issue, the roster, the coaching or some combo of the three.
-Jragon- wrote:emunney wrote:Prez wrote:Lineup net ratings in 500 minute samples are fancy now? Aight man lol.
It's not that hard to think about. The midrange assassin playing with the guy who gets double teamed as soon as he crosses half court and the guy who brings the entire defense to the paint when he touches the FT line. Khris gets exactly what he wants with very little resistance.
In theory that should work. If Khris chooses to attack 1v1 on closeouts or from a high post on 1-2 dribbles -- it works. If he demands the ball from Dame's hands when they are both in, it doesn't. If he dribbles through traffic, it doesn't. If we had a coach or player that could tell him to stop, it could. If he made a good decision and chose to stop it could, he hasn't. So point to to your watch in street clothes all you want but if you don't buy in to what you watched and let it happen when you are in then you can go somewhere else -- your defense has been killing us for a couple years anyways.
And no I don't care about your Net regular season BS stats because 80% of those teams won't even be in the playoffs. We know what Indy, Miami and Boston can do to Khris on defense.. $hit, he made his 6-2 PG cover his man last year in our a$$ whooping - what was our Net rating that series, genious? You think it can't happen again? The least you can do is adapt your damn game to not needing the ball in your hand and take it out of a legend point guard's hands. How selfish do you have to be to take the ball from a future hall of fame PG and he watches you kick it off your foot? Let him and Giannis find you in your favorite spots when they need you and spend more of your energy bending your knees on defense.
It's not an agenda; we will suffer the same fate as last year if something doesn't change. This issue, the roster, the coaching or some combo of the three.