PG Indy - AG and BP respond to Haynes report, page 20

[Daver]

If we do fire Griff we sure as hell better no hire another unproven/rookie head coach. It has to be someone like Stotts.

Why only stotts other than knowing dame coaching him he imo brings nothing to the table dude is what 65 or so.Kenny A may not have stotts resume but i would take kA everyday n teice on sunday over stotts

[theFireBlanket]

Did Stotts ask Horst to mediate the situation?

Was he envisioning being Griffin's doormat & salve, if he kowtowed in instances like the one leaked?

Did Griff make his blood boil uncontrollably?

How could a man from Marshfield leave us stranded in Milwaukee, with this guy? Why wasn't he up to fight the good fight?

[Daver]

Did Stotts ask Horst to mediate the situation?

Was he envisioning being Griffin's doormat & salve, if he kowtowed in instances like the one leaked?

Did Griff make his blood boil uncontrollably?

How could a man from Marshfield leave us stranded in Milwaukee, with this guy? Why wasn't he up to fight the good fight?

Maybe stotts decided fu.. it rumor has it he wasnt keen on being a asst coach and with what went down hust said i dont need this

[greekbuck34]

Defense is absolutely a joke. Pacers scored 128 points while shooting 21% from three.

And I don't want to hear the bull of "that's what we were trying to do!" defensively. They were 4/21 on "wide open" threes and 2/11 on "open" threes. We weren't defending that **** either. Inside, outside, transition, they got anything they wanted.

For me it's the complete oppossite of Bud's scheme. We went from shutting down the paint by leaving the opponent having 3p shooting drills from the same spots to pressuring the 3p line in such way that leaves our paint completely unprotected and open for lay ups and offensive rebounds. It's just a clusterf@ck because our personel can't even run the damn thing while Bud's scheme even though it was exploited by the elite teams it was atleast built for Brook Lopez with Giannis as help combo.

[Baddy Chuck]

Defense is absolutely a joke. Pacers scored 128 points while shooting 21% from three.

And I don't want to hear the bull of "that's what we were trying to do!" defensively. They were 4/21 on "wide open" threes and 2/11 on "open" threes. We weren't defending that **** either. Inside, outside, transition, they got anything they wanted.

For me it's the complete oppossite of Bud's scheme. We went from shutting down the paint by leaving the opponent having 3p shooting drills from the same spots to pressuring the 3p line in such way that leaves our paint completely unprotected and open for lay ups and offensive rebounds. It's just a clusterf@ck because our personel can't even run the damn thing while Bud's scheme even though it was exploited by the elite teams it was atleast built for Brook Lopez with Giannis as help combo.

We're showing such fake looks to teams at the perimeter. It's doing absolutely nothing out there. Acting like Bobby Portis guarding a guy at 24 feet or Malik Beasley locking up star wings 1 on 1, hell, even Giannis being out on the perimeter is doing absolutely anything to deter teams from playing their game any way they want is a joke. Hell, right now we're allowing teams to shoot MORE three pointers than last season. This isn't the opposite of Buds scheme, it's literally nothing. They're doing nothing on the defensive side of the ball.

[greekbuck34]

Whatever I will focus on the good things.

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PNR ball handler

Giannis: Possessions=4, PPP= 1.26, EFG = 70% More possessions pls
Dame: Poss= 10.5, PPP= 1.08, EFG = 54.3% Pretty good based on his current shooting splits
Payne: Poss= 1.8, PPP= 0.92, EFG= 53.2%

Khris: Poss= 3.0, PPP= 0.69 , EFG= 38.1% What the actual f..
Celtics Jrue: Poss= 3.3, PPP= 0.62, EFG= 39.3% Those two were Giannis' 2 best ball handlers his whole career till now...

PNR roller

Giannis: Poss= 2.2 , PPP= 1.23, EFG= 69.7%
Lopez: Poss= 2.3 , PPP= 1.19, EFG= 57.1%
Bobby: Poss= 1.5, PPP= 0.81, EFG= 40.4

More PNR of any kind involving Giannis ffs. Stop letting Khris handle the ball unless he PNR with Giannis, set Khris up for midrange shots(he is having the best shooting percentage in the league).

[jimmybones]

When Dame went to the Bucks, I emailed someone then with the Bucks " I say fire the offensive coordinator if this Bucks team averages less the 160 pts. per game." He agreed.

My point related to this topic is the amount of Pacer points didn't surprise me, but the paucity of Buck's points against the defensive mediocre Pacers did. The offense is not close to maximizing the offensive firepower, even when it reaches 120 pts.

In a hypothetical situation where the Bucks say "screw it" and offer Stotts to come in and coach this team.

Does TS consider it or does he shake his head and politely decline?

Thank you for the continued insights.

Maybe if his downtown condo isn't subleased. LOL! I doubt if the front office is forgiving of his departure. Crazy year in Cheeseland.

I have a spare room in West Allis. There's a taco truck on my block... we are willing to beg

[German Athens]

Whatever I will focus on the good things.

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PNR ball handler

Giannis: Possessions=4, PPP= 1.26, EFG = 70% More possessions pls
Dame: Poss= 10.5, PPP= 1.08, EFG = 54.3% Pretty good based on his current shooting splits
Payne: Poss= 1.8, PPP= 0.92, EFG= 53.2%

Khris: Poss= 3.0, PPP= 0.69 , EFG= 38.1% What the actual f..
Celtics Jrue: Poss= 3.3, PPP= 0.62, EFG= 39.3% Those two were Giannis' 2 best ball handlers his whole career till now...

PNR roller

Giannis: Poss= 2.2 , PPP= 1.23, EFG= 69.7%
Lopez: Poss= 2.3 , PPP= 1.19, EFG= 57.1%
Bobby: Poss= 1.5, PPP= 0.81, EFG= 40.4

More PNR of any kind involving Giannis ffs. Stop letting Khris handle the ball unless he PNR with Giannis, set Khris up for midrange shots(he is having the best shooting percentage in the league).

Yeah, there’s some encouraging stuff. For the people who view through the lens of will it work in the playoffs - Giannis as the pick n roll ball handler should work well against teams that don’t primarily switch, and even if they do, he’d likely be hunting a mismatch.

I’d like to see a more concerted effort this year against switching teams to find those mismatches. In the past, Giannis hasn’t always played the easiest route, and would let horford get back on, or try backing down the wrong type of player, settling for a fading jumper against guards, etc. He still has been settling at times, like his jumpers against Indy when hield was guarding him, but I think his awareness has been improving this year.

Beyond that, I’d like to see Giannis’s attempts as the roller in the upper 3’s or low 4’s. Myles Turner and Anthony Davis are 4th and 5th in scoring attempts with 3.9 per game. Get into that grouping.

[German Athens]

Similar to greekbuck34,

Giannis is also 16th in per game shot attempts from cuts, at 2.4. He’s shooting 71% efg in those looks.

His frequency is up from prior years, and it’s been trending up over the course of the season. Him cutting off the Dame-Brook pick n roll has been really effective.

I’ve actually been really impressed with brook’s passing this year. He used to be a guy who kinda played with blinders inside 15 feet, and where you’d end up having those Marcus smart blocks from behind on double teams, because he just wasn’t looking to pass out. He’s been noticeably better in this regard.

That pass on the move to Giannis in the Knicks game really stands out.

[Badgerlander]

Whatever I will focus on the good things.

Spoiler:

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PNR ball handler

Giannis: Possessions=4, PPP= 1.26, EFG = 70% More possessions pls
Dame: Poss= 10.5, PPP= 1.08, EFG = 54.3% Pretty good based on his current shooting splits
Payne: Poss= 1.8, PPP= 0.92, EFG= 53.2%

Khris: Poss= 3.0, PPP= 0.69 , EFG= 38.1% What the actual f..
Celtics Jrue: Poss= 3.3, PPP= 0.62, EFG= 39.3% Those two were Giannis' 2 best ball handlers his whole career till now...

PNR roller

Giannis: Poss= 2.2 , PPP= 1.23, EFG= 69.7%
Lopez: Poss= 2.3 , PPP= 1.19, EFG= 57.1%
Bobby: Poss= 1.5, PPP= 0.81, EFG= 40.4

More PNR of any kind involving Giannis ffs. Stop letting Khris handle the ball unless he PNR with Giannis, set Khris up for midrange shots(he is having the best shooting percentage in the league).

You forgot Pat the PnR ball handler PPP leader in the clubhouse lol

[German Athens]

One stat that really jumps out to me, that I think supports the playground basketball observations, and is likely a further indictment of the offensive structure set up by the coach:

We are the only team in the league without a single player having at least 10 attempts coming off a screen ( think gsw offense). This really hits home that we have no weak side actions being run. Most teams have 3 or 4 players who’ve already cleared this benchmark.

Historically, under Bud, we didn’t have high usage, but midds, bryn, and Grayson would’ve clearly cleared that mark by this point in the season. Also, Dame and Malik would’ve cleared that mark at their previous stops, comfortably.

The only team.

[WiscoKing13]

Was thinking there's an outside chance of us firing AG. But if they were going to do it would have been this weekend since they had 3 days off.

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[greekbuck34]

Spoiler:

Whatever I will focus on the good things.

Read on Twitter

PNR ball handler

Giannis: Possessions=4, PPP= 1.26, EFG = 70% More possessions pls
Dame: Poss= 10.5, PPP= 1.08, EFG = 54.3% Pretty good based on his current shooting splits
Payne: Poss= 1.8, PPP= 0.92, EFG= 53.2%

Khris: Poss= 3.0, PPP= 0.69 , EFG= 38.1% What the actual f..
Celtics Jrue: Poss= 3.3, PPP= 0.62, EFG= 39.3% Those two were Giannis' 2 best ball handlers his whole career till now...

PNR roller

Giannis: Poss= 2.2 , PPP= 1.23, EFG= 69.7%
Lopez: Poss= 2.3 , PPP= 1.19, EFG= 57.1%
Bobby: Poss= 1.5, PPP= 0.81, EFG= 40.4

More PNR of any kind involving Giannis ffs. Stop letting Khris handle the ball unless he PNR with Giannis, set Khris up for midrange shots(he is having the best shooting percentage in the league).

You forgot Pat the PnR ball handler PPP leader in the clubhouse lol

1.60 PPP on

Spoiler:

0.6 possessions

I really like him when he sets the screen for Giannis though. They have good chemistry in that. Giannis should start doing that with Beasley and Dame too. It's easy to set them up for open shots this way.

[paulpressey25]

Was thinking there's an outside chance of us firing AG. But if they were going to do it would have been this weekend since they had 3 days off.

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There are two guys who can fire Griff anytime they want. The decision is really in their hands.

[Dick Tate]

Did Stotts ask Horst to mediate the situation?

Was he envisioning being Griffin's doormat & salve, if he kowtowed in instances like the one leaked?

Did Griff make his blood boil uncontrollably?

How could a man from Marshfield leave us stranded in Milwaukee, with this guy? Why wasn't he up to fight the good fight?

Maybe stotts decided fu.. it rumor has it he wasnt keen on being a asst coach and with what went down hust said i dont need this

I’m waiting for the untold story to come out where Stotts quit because he couldn’t convince the star player to put the ball in the hands of their new ATG point guard.

[emunney]

Was thinking there's an outside chance of us firing AG. But if they were going to do it would have been this weekend since they had 3 days off.

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There are two guys who can fire Griff anytime they want. The decision is really in their hands.

https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2016/01/why_david_blatt_got_fired_and.html

[paulpressey25]

https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2016/01/why_david_blatt_got_fired_and.html

Yes.

And their combined net worth, including current contracts is in the one billion dollar neighborhood.

[LittleRooster]

https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2016/01/why_david_blatt_got_fired_and.html

Yes.

And their combined net worth, including current contracts is in the one billion dollar neighborhood.

Unfortunately, even in that situation, Blatt lasted 1.5 years. We’re probably stuck with Grief for at least this year


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[MickeyDavis]

The Blatt analogy is interesting. Of course he was in his second season so it's not quite apples to apples.

[pifhluk23]

One stat that really jumps out to me, that I think supports the playground basketball observations, and is likely a further indictment of the offensive structure set up by the coach:

We are the only team in the league without a single player having at least 10 attempts coming off a screen ( think gsw offense). This really hits home that we have no weak side actions being run. Most teams have 3 or 4 players who’ve already cleared this benchmark.

Historically, under Bud, we didn’t have high usage, but midds, bryn, and Grayson would’ve clearly cleared that mark by this point in the season. Also, Dame and Malik would’ve cleared that mark at their previous stops, comfortably.

The only team.

It would be nice to see Dame get more of those when Giannis brings the ball up or when Giannis is on the bench. He's so good at baiting the foul in that scenario too but they are calling it less this year.

As for how to play the Pacers. What sticks out as obvious to me is pound them inside and get them.in the bonus quick. That drastically slows down the pace they want to play and gets their guys in foul trouble.