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Post#41 » by ShootingtheJ » Sun Dec 17, 2023 2:54 am

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randy84 wrote:What does Beasley have to do with it?


He's just unnecessary, but gets the dream role with our starters because he's the vet.

What are you talking about? I don't know that the Bucks have ever had a better vet minimum signing.


Being better than Semi or Hood isn't an accomplishment.
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Post#42 » by soxperry » Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:10 am

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Literally the only difference between him and Khris this year is Khris’ chemistry with Giannis is a bit better, due to their countless years playing together. If you can be nearly equal to Khris with the way everyone talks about him that’s a good thing for the minimum.


Literally the only difference?

Lol...


I should clarify to that this year. Khris is shooting slightly worse on a similar volume as Beasley, similar assist to turnover ratios, similarly below par defense.


there are several dimensions that you are missing, but the biggest is that Khris can create quality shots for himself and others while Malik is very little more than a catch and shoot specialist who relies on others to create shots for him. that's why Khris makes 30M per season and Beas makes vet minimum.
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Re: PG Detroit: Bucks win MACC Fund exhibition 

Post#43 » by paulpressey25 » Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:13 am

Prez wrote:The Monty Williams situation is just brutal. They got him to build the culture in Detroit...after he was part of the culture falling apart in Phoenix and had friction with several players, including their starting C. And he didn't even want to be in Detroit, so they threw the biggest contract ever at him. And now the whole team has quit. They can't even fire him most likely, dudes on an $80 mil contract lol.


Interestingly, the Michigan State coach is/was also owed $80 million
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Post#44 » by paulpressey25 » Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:16 am

Not sure if you guys caught this, but the trainer gave a bottle of Gatorade to Giannis kids. But Giannis then takes the bottle away from Liam and hands it back to the trainer. Liam briefly gets angry. Was hilarious.
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Re: PG Detroit: Bucks win MACC Fund exhibition 

Post#45 » by Bucksmaniac » Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:22 am

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Literally the only difference?

Lol...


I should clarify to that this year. Khris is shooting slightly worse on a similar volume as Beasley, similar assist to turnover ratios, similarly below par defense.


there are several dimensions that you are missing, but the biggest is that Khris can create quality shots for himself and others while Malik is very little more than a catch and shoot specialist who relies on others to create shots for him. that's why Khris makes 30M per season and Beas makes vet minimum.


But then he also fumbles the ball off his foot frequently, more than Beasley for all his klutziness I might add.
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Post#46 » by Baddy Chuck » Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:37 am

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He's just unnecessary, but gets the dream role with our starters because he's the vet.

What are you talking about? I don't know that the Bucks have ever had a better vet minimum signing.


Being better than Semi or Hood isn't an accomplishment.

The irony.
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Re: PG Detroit: Bucks win MACC Fund exhibition 

Post#47 » by ShootingtheJ » Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:53 am

Bucksmaniac wrote:
soxperry wrote:
Bucksmaniac wrote:
I should clarify to that this year. Khris is shooting slightly worse on a similar volume as Beasley, similar assist to turnover ratios, similarly below par defense.


there are several dimensions that you are missing, but the biggest is that Khris can create quality shots for himself and others while Malik is very little more than a catch and shoot specialist who relies on others to create shots for him. that's why Khris makes 30M per season and Beas makes vet minimum.


But then he also fumbles the ball off his foot frequently, more than Beasley for all his klutziness I might add.


Come on, you're better than this. Multi time All-star and Finals star Khris Middleton is being compared to a scrub who shot 35% from with a 53TS% with 2 teams last year. Middleton is 1 of the 3 Bucks making Beas look like a tollerable player.

As we saw tonight, lots of players can look good when they share the court with our stars.
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Post#48 » by Bucksmaniac » Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:58 am

ShootingtheJ wrote:
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there are several dimensions that you are missing, but the biggest is that Khris can create quality shots for himself and others while Malik is very little more than a catch and shoot specialist who relies on others to create shots for him. that's why Khris makes 30M per season and Beas makes vet minimum.


But then he also fumbles the ball off his foot frequently, more than Beasley for all his klutziness I might add.


Come on, you're better than this. Multi time All-star and Finals star Khris Middleton is being compared to a scrub who shot 35% from with a 53TS% with 2 teams last year. Middleton is 1 of the 3 Bucks making Beas look like a tollerable player.

As we saw tonight, lots of players can look good when they share the court with our stars.


Current Midds and Beas are unfortunately so far in the same stratosphere, which is why it’s a topic I’m bringing up. All the talk preseason was how easy Khris’ job would be but now he can’t shoot better than scrub Beasley? This is as much about the constant Beas putdowns.
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Post#49 » by Baddy Chuck » Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:06 am

Bucksmaniac wrote:Current Midds and Beas are unfortunately so far in the same stratosphere, which is why it’s a topic I’m bringing up. All the talk preseason was how easy Khris’ job would be but now he can’t shoot better than scrub Beasley? This is as much about the constant Beas putdowns.

Midd's is putting up 20/8/7 per 36, with obvious Midd's inconsistencies and minutes restrictions. I'm fine with Beasley but he is contributing more than Beasley is when he's on the court rather easily.

But really the "anyone can do Malik Beasley's role because we just watched them beatdown a team on a 23 game losing streak" is some Semi Ojeleye/Sam Merrill bull.
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Post#50 » by Bucksmaniac » Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:13 am

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Bucksmaniac wrote:Current Midds and Beas are unfortunately so far in the same stratosphere, which is why it’s a topic I’m bringing up. All the talk preseason was how easy Khris’ job would be but now he can’t shoot better than scrub Beasley? This is as much about the constant Beas putdowns.

Midd's is putting up 20/8/7 per 36, with obvious Midd's inconsistencies and minutes restrictions. I'm fine with Beasley but he is contributing more than Beasley is when he's on the court rather easily.

But really the "anyone can do Malik Beasley's role because we just watched them beatdown a team on a 23 game losing streak" is some Semi Ojeleye/Sam Merrill bull.


If I thought he could consistently put up these numbers or better in 30-35 mins a game this year I wouldn’t be making the argument. Midds is a 20-25 min a game player now, both because of questionable defense and his physical condition.
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Post#51 » by Baddy Chuck » Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:17 am

Bucksmaniac wrote:
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Bucksmaniac wrote:Current Midds and Beas are unfortunately so far in the same stratosphere, which is why it’s a topic I’m bringing up. All the talk preseason was how easy Khris’ job would be but now he can’t shoot better than scrub Beasley? This is as much about the constant Beas putdowns.

Midd's is putting up 20/8/7 per 36, with obvious Midd's inconsistencies and minutes restrictions. I'm fine with Beasley but he is contributing more than Beasley is when he's on the court rather easily.

But really the "anyone can do Malik Beasley's role because we just watched them beatdown a team on a 23 game losing streak" is some Semi Ojeleye/Sam Merrill bull.


If I thought he could consistently put up these numbers or better in 30-35 mins a game this year I wouldn’t be making the argument. Midds is a 20-25 min a game player now, both because of questionable defense and his physical condition.

That's fine if you want to believe that but I don't really think it changes anything I said. 1 for 1 Midds is providing more than Beasley easily. And obviously he's well paid guy compared to a minimum level guy so that should be the case and the divide should be bigger than it has been but like it's pretty obvious to me.
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Post#52 » by RogerMurdock » Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:30 am

Congrats on turning what should be a celebratory game thread into Beas slander.
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Post#53 » by randy84 » Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:30 am

ShootingtheJ wrote:
Bucksmaniac wrote:
soxperry wrote:
there are several dimensions that you are missing, but the biggest is that Khris can create quality shots for himself and others while Malik is very little more than a catch and shoot specialist who relies on others to create shots for him. that's why Khris makes 30M per season and Beas makes vet minimum.


But then he also fumbles the ball off his foot frequently, more than Beasley for all his klutziness I might add.


Come on, you're better than this. Multi time All-star and Finals star Khris Middleton is being compared to a scrub who shot 35% from with a 53TS% with 2 teams last year. Middleton is 1 of the 3 Bucks making Beas look like a tollerable player.

As we saw tonight, lots of players can look good when they share the court with our stars.

Must be a weird headspace if you are upset that the Bucks signed a starter shooting 48% FG and 46% 3PT for $2,709,849.
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Post#54 » by Lippo » Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:40 am

Yup every one has to admit at Beas is earning his check more than Mids is…
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Post#55 » by buckboy » Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:46 am

Lippo wrote:Yup every one has to admit at Beas is earning his check more than Mids is…


Serious?

Of course you've always thought Derozan was good, so yeah.
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Post#56 » by TroyD92 » Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:48 am

It’s okay to admit Beas has been pretty good
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Post#57 » by ShootingtheJ » Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:57 am

TroyD92 wrote:It’s okay to admit Beas has been pretty good


Admit he's shot well? Sure. Played well? Nah.

Now, I wonder what the Beas backers do when the shooting normalizes?

It'll be fine though, as we have a bunch of quality alternatives.
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Post#58 » by Lippo » Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:58 am

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Lippo wrote:Yup every one has to admit at Beas is earning his check more than Mids is…


Serious?

Of course you've always thought Derozan was good, so yeah.


So Mids is providing 15x what Beas is?, he’s making 15x the $…..

And I wanted a Ersan for Derozan trade back when we had Brad, and was roasted, are you still standing on that hill saying Ersan was the better player?

Mids is kinda washed… probably on this team still cause he’s Giannis’s BFF… would have probably been in the deal for Dame instead of Jrue otherwise…at least he’s playing within himself this year and isn’t the TO machine he has been in the past…
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Post#59 » by Bucksmaniac » Sun Dec 17, 2023 5:06 am

buckboy wrote:
Lippo wrote:Yup every one has to admit at Beas is earning his check more than Mids is…


Serious?

Of course you've always thought Derozan was good, so yeah.


To be fair it’s a lot easier to earn less than 3 mil vs 30 but it’s hard to deny that he’s earned it.
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Post#60 » by PackAttack9 » Sun Dec 17, 2023 5:11 am

Appreciate Coach Griffin starting the game with AJax and Marjon as our wings, Lillard and Giannis followed their energy I think.

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