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Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas
Posted: Fri May 3, 2024 6:37 pm
by jakecronus8
The hope is that Midd turning back the clock for a couple games gets another team to bite. If they run back this same core next year I just have to throw my hands in the air and give up. Trying to switch up the rotation spots 4-10 around the current top 3 is shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic.
Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas
Posted: Fri May 3, 2024 6:43 pm
by LUKE23
jakecronus8 wrote:The hope is that Midd turning back the clock for a couple games gets another team to bite. If they run back this same core next year I just have to throw my hands in the air and give up. Trying to switch up the rotation spots 4-10 around the current top 3 is shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic.
It always does come down to health, but the Big 3 had a net rating of +17.5 in 758 minutes. Only one 3-man lineup with 500+ minutes was better this season.
Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas
Posted: Fri May 3, 2024 6:44 pm
by jakecronus8
LUKE23 wrote:jakecronus8 wrote:The hope is that Midd turning back the clock for a couple games gets another team to bite. If they run back this same core next year I just have to throw my hands in the air and give up. Trying to switch up the rotation spots 4-10 around the current top 3 is shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic.
It always does come down to health,
Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas
Posted: Fri May 3, 2024 6:48 pm
by DanoMac
Detroit wants to make Horst their POBO
Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas
Posted: Fri May 3, 2024 6:55 pm
by tonyreyes123
Dame & Khris have value again. They can go tbh
Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas
Posted: Fri May 3, 2024 6:56 pm
by fansinceforever
I understand the contingent of this board that wants to rock with the Big 3 again most likely because they don't think we'll get fair value for Middleton or Dame. Fair point.
I'm just skeptical of how we semi-overhaul our 4-8 without moving a major piece.
Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas
Posted: Fri May 3, 2024 6:56 pm
by neiLz
Health and the coaching search doomed the bucks this year.
It's a BIG if for them to stay healthy. only way they can keep this core together is to somehow draft or trade for about 2-3 young athletes that doc will be forced to play and hope they can be some type of contributors. Dame/Giannis/Khris is absolutely elite when healthy.
I am not sure what they could get for khris or dame in a trade. I am not sure they can get value that they want back for either of them.
Coaching:
AG was the absolute worst hire you could have made. He wasn't ready to coach a championship level team. I have no idea how they decided on him. Even if he was Giannis hand picked coach, there is no way in hell he should have been hired.
Doc sucks too but he at least can manage stars. But he can't develop guys and doesnt play young guys. He's also just a bad fit for this team, but they were backed into a corner and had to settle for him.
Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas
Posted: Fri May 3, 2024 7:28 pm
by Prez
The Giannis/Dame/Khris trio is like the one thing that I feel actually confident in lol. I’m not moving Dame/Khris unless a team throws a stupid offer at us. It’s the aging and or one dimensional role players that need to be moved, which is basically everyone outside of AJ/Dre lol. Starting with the front court, we absolutely need to move on from Bobby, and I think it’s time to find a more athletic C to replace Brook as well.
Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas
Posted: Fri May 3, 2024 7:37 pm
by MickeyDavis
DanoMac wrote:Detroit wants to make Horst their POBO
Based on the rumor most likely leaked by his agent? The actual names floated around since then don't include him. Not that it won't happen, it certainly could.
Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas
Posted: Fri May 3, 2024 7:45 pm
by buckboy
bucksfansince88 wrote:midranger wrote:German Athens wrote:
Notably, Isaac is making almost twice as much as pat, so we would have needed to likely trade Bobby along with pat to get that done.
Yeah, I had a bigger 3 way thing going, but that was the base of the Orl/Mke swap
Edit: IIRC im pretty sure it was something along the line of…
Mke: Eason, Tate, Isaac
ORL: Conny, Jeff green
Hou: Lopez, Marjon
this is the move right here!
Assuming Orlando's GM had some kind of a brain injury.
Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas
Posted: Fri May 3, 2024 7:46 pm
by JayMKE
Not sure how the team is going to acquire these players to put around the core if you don't want to trade anyone besides Portis & Connaughton nor does 1 or 2 decent defenders solve the fact that Brook, Khris, and Lopez are liabilities in a lot of match ups. 2nd apron makes even the bunko ways we had to improve before are shut off, Dame/Khris/Lopez probably means most of the same roleplayers probably save Malik & Jae & maybe Pat Bev too.
There is no option the team needs to be broke apart for it to get better, there are no other avenues other than hoping the stars align with essentially the same team. I don't have much faith in Beauchamp, AJJ, or AJ Green being big contributors at this point.
These guys can iso score with the best of them when healthy I guess but I just don't see any way this is a contending team as constructed especially with Doc Rivers as coach & no bench. If you thought last year was over then its really over with this year, Giannis being hurt basically is saving face on this disastrous season like what if but really as if. This team didn't look anywhere close to a contender with Giannis healthy this year, imo its the Pacers who look really bad playing down to the Bucks sans Giannis level.
Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas
Posted: Fri May 3, 2024 7:46 pm
by slos
Honestly I’m not mad at anyone.
1. Horst had to fire Bud and let Giannis pick the coach while bringing him Dame to make him extend his contract. Once again Horst was quick enough to correct an offseason mistake firing Griffin and help somehow the team in the deadline with PatBev.
2. Giannis is maybe the one to blame forcing Horst hand making stupid things, but who can blame Giannis in Milwaukee after all his success?
3. Dame is only natural to struggle is his first season in a team not named Blazers in a dysfunctional environment with some really bad coaching.
4. Midds showed up when it mattered.
5. Brook and Portis also delivered. You can’t expect from these guys superstar performances because your superstar got injured.
6. Doc milked two playoff wins and lost one in extra time in a series that could easily be a sweep without Giannis and part time Dame.
All I’m saying is give this team another opportunity, but 100% help this group become more athletic. Just let all the vets walk and surround the core with younger players that can sacrifice their bodies in D and make some smart plays.
Lillard……….#23
Green………..Connaughton
Middleton….Beauchamp
Giannis………Jackson………....Livingston
Lopez…………Portis…….……….#33
That’s the team after the draft and I will be excited if the last spots are filled with some more young players. Horst needs to be smart and avoid bringing vets to force Doc’s hand play AJ/AJJ/Marjon etc.
Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas
Posted: Fri May 3, 2024 8:04 pm
by -Jragon-
Siefer wrote:Can't imagine they bring Bev back after this. Toxic af.
He showed out this year. Someone is giving him a 2/3 year deal
Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas
Posted: Fri May 3, 2024 8:16 pm
by -Jragon-
jakecronus8 wrote:The hope is that Midd turning back the clock for a couple games gets another team to bite. If they run back this same core next year I just have to throw my hands in the air and give up. Trying to switch up the rotation spots 4-10 around the current top 3 is shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic.
I tried to +1 this more times but it deleted my original +1
Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas
Posted: Fri May 3, 2024 8:23 pm
by DanoMac
MickeyDavis wrote:DanoMac wrote:Detroit wants to make Horst their POBO
Based on the rumor most likely leaked by his agent? The actual names floated around since then don't include him. Not that it won't happen, it certainly could.
Nehm wrote about it today--
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10119728-nba-rumors-bucks-jon-horst-expected-to-draw-interest-from-pistons-for-top-exec-job
Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas
Posted: Fri May 3, 2024 8:30 pm
by msiris
Fire Horst and Doc
Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas
Posted: Fri May 3, 2024 8:57 pm
by Milbucks96
Seen a Giannis quote on Reddit from Nehm’s article today. Said he wasn’t close to being 100% but still tried to play. Said he could only run like 30-40% of full speed. Soon as he went down, ‘24 contention was over.
Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas
Posted: Fri May 3, 2024 9:05 pm
by MickeyDavis
Some on here think the medical staff are idiots and it's obvious he should have been playing.
Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas
Posted: Fri May 3, 2024 9:08 pm
by fan230
msiris wrote:Fire Horst and Doc
Surely worth considering.
We need a load management coach to minimize injuries.
Is it even possible to poach Brad Stevens from the Celtics? He just won Exec of the year and I thought he was brilliant as a coach earlier with the Celtics.
Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas
Posted: Fri May 3, 2024 9:27 pm
by Bernman
Trade 1:
Bucks receive: DeJounte Murray, Nikola Jovic, Duncan Robinson
Hawks receive: Tyler Herro, 1st rounder (Heat), 2nd rounder (Bucks-highest)
Heat receive: Damian Lillard
Trade 2:
Bucks receive: Bruce Brown (extension?)
Spurs receive: Bobby Portis, Pat Connaughton, Marjon Beauchamp
Raptors receive: Tre Jones, Devonte Graham, 1st rd pick ('25, CHI, top 10 protected)
Draft: Tristan Da Silva/Kel'el Ware
Giannis/Brook
Jovic/TDS or Ware
Midds/AJJ/Robinson
Brown/Green
Murray/Bev