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So we're basically forced to keep our own pick this year because we can't trade it since it's a swap with NOP? The last few years there's been some pretty good players in that 28-36 range.
If we hang onto two picks in that range I think there's a good chance we get someone useful. In just the last 3 years these guys have all been in that range: Marcus Sasser, Jovic, Nembhard, Bones Hyland, Quentin Grimes, Herb Jones, Ayo Dosumnu, Quickley, Pritchard, Desmond Bane.
Couple real gems in there. It's a shame we're destined to trade every pick we're allowed to trade.
If we hang onto two picks in that range I think there's a good chance we get someone useful. In just the last 3 years these guys have all been in that range: Marcus Sasser, Jovic, Nembhard, Bones Hyland, Quentin Grimes, Herb Jones, Ayo Dosumnu, Quickley, Pritchard, Desmond Bane.
Couple real gems in there. It's a shame we're destined to trade every pick we're allowed to trade.
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Prez wrote:I want Giannis terrorizing teams as a help defender. We can throw him on usually mediocre off the dribble 3PT shooting wings (like Jimmy) but I don’t really see the point in reducing his help defense impact and having him chase around star perimeter players that can really shoot, especially around screens.
The point is well taken and yes, I don't need him chasing these guys all game or even most possessions. But when an opponent is cooking - ala Jimmy last year - Giannis has to step up and lock them down. Even just a few possessions of him forcing the ball out of that player's hands could make the difference in a tight playoff match up.
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Bones sucks but yeah if you cherry pick success stories from the 20-40 range there are some good players.engelmartin wrote:So we're basically forced to keep our own pick this year because we can't trade it since it's a swap with NOP? The last few years there's been some pretty good players in that 28-36 range.
If we hang onto two picks in that range I think there's a good chance we get someone useful. In just the last 3 years these guys have all been in that range: Marcus Sasser, Jovic, Nembhard, Bones Hyland, Quentin Grimes, Herb Jones, Ayo Dosumnu, Quickley, Pritchard, Desmond Bane.
Couple real gems in there. It's a shame we're destined to trade every pick we're allowed to trade.
But it's still like 80-90% chance a pick in that range is more Marjon level than Bane.
If you're a contender and have the opotto get a known contributor by trading a late first I would do it every time.
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The Wet Whistle wrote:If Pat, Bobby, Payne for Grant Williams, Josh Green is on the table id probably take it. Ideally swinging Grant over to Brooklyn along with MarJon and our two trade able seconds for DFS
I'd call that in immediately if it was on the table.
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Ron Swanson wrote:We basically played without a Center for almost the entire 2021-22 season, unless you wanna count those hodgepodge 10-15 minutes of Boogie, Greg Monroe, and washed Ibaka. I really don't know why people freak out about losing back-up Center minutes. It's the easiest thing to replace in this league. RoLo, calling up Wenyen Gabriel, and just going smaller more often will all do in a pinch.
I "and one" by mistake. The Bucks defense went to 15th in the league that season because Brook was out the entire regular season. Part of that was Bud playing the drop without a center, but he still has a purpose.
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Memo to Horst:
If you're reading comments on this board, please ignore them. The vast majority of these posters are trying to spam this board by proposing trades that only help the other teams they support, not the Bucks.
I've been around basketball for almost four score. Here's what you can do to help the team. Get one or two elite switchable defenders, whose forte is guarding guards. Caruso, Dunn and Thybulle are legit. The rest of the proposals here are not legit and don't deserve your attention or anyone else's attention. Thanks John.
If you're reading comments on this board, please ignore them. The vast majority of these posters are trying to spam this board by proposing trades that only help the other teams they support, not the Bucks.
I've been around basketball for almost four score. Here's what you can do to help the team. Get one or two elite switchable defenders, whose forte is guarding guards. Caruso, Dunn and Thybulle are legit. The rest of the proposals here are not legit and don't deserve your attention or anyone else's attention. Thanks John.
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engelmartin wrote:Royce O'Neal should be the guy if he's available. He's the best of both worlds.
His trade cost is reasonable, shoots the 3 well and plays good defense. He's my pick too.
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BigO wrote:Memo to Horst:
If you're reading comments on this board, please ignore them. The vast majority of these posters are trying spam this board by proposing trades that only help the other teams they support, not the Bucks.
I've been around basketball for almost four score. Here's what you can do to help the team. Get one or two elite switchable defenders, whose forte is guarding guards. Caruso, Dunn and Thybulle are legit. The rest of the proposals here are not legit and don't deserve your attention or anyone else's attention. Thanks. John.
I mean I can't argue with that as long as we can get 2 of the 3...?
MilBucksBackOnTop06 wrote:Big baby ass Derozan tosses the ball in the stands and gets and gets his sorry a-- tossed. Cross him off our list of players to target.
Ejected with only two games left in your season.What immature nut...Grow up and just play.
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I really need to figure out how to opt out of all these stupid alerts. Some how I get "WI Sports Heroics" alerts and i just got an alert that says "Milwaukee Bucks Acquire Dejounte Murray for Bobby Portis, 2 others and picks....", I do a dance, tell my wife I love her and then I click the expand button and it says "....in Proposed Trade"
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We know Horst isn't afraid to make trades, he's made plenty of them. Like every GM in every sport, not all of them have worked out. But he's definitely working the phones. Unlike in the past, leaks no longer come from the team.
That said, I'm not going to freak out if no moves are made. No "Stupid Horst" or "why didn't he DO something". It takes 2 (or more) teams to make a trade and virtually every team has more tradeable assets than we do. We may be simply outbid.
That said, I'm not going to freak out if no moves are made. No "Stupid Horst" or "why didn't he DO something". It takes 2 (or more) teams to make a trade and virtually every team has more tradeable assets than we do. We may be simply outbid.
I'm against picketing but I don't know how to show it.
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Horst is a silent assassin. Nobody knows anything about his moves and then BAM. Trade.
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MickeyDavis wrote:We know Horst isn't afraid to make trades, he's made plenty of them. Like every GM in every sport, not all of them have worked out. But he's definitely working the phones. Unlike in the past, leaks no longer come from the team.
That said, I'm not going to freak out if no moves are made. No "Stupid Horst" or "why didn't he DO something". It takes 2 (or more) teams to make a trade and virtually every team has more tradeable assets than we do. We may be simply outbid.
Agree that we might not be able to pull off a move of significance (whatever that means) but I'll be pretty surprised if the deadline passes and we've made zero transactions whatsoever.
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humanrefutation wrote:Prez wrote:I want Giannis terrorizing teams as a help defender. We can throw him on usually mediocre off the dribble 3PT shooting wings (like Jimmy) but I don’t really see the point in reducing his help defense impact and having him chase around star perimeter players that can really shoot, especially around screens.
The point is well taken and yes, I don't need him chasing these guys all game or even most possessions. But when an opponent is cooking - ala Jimmy last year - Giannis has to step up and lock them down. Even just a few possessions of him forcing the ball out of that player's hands could make the difference in a tight playoff match up.
I do wonder though, is Giannis a 1-1 shut down defender. I honestly don't know at this point where there are some guys who seem to blow by him. He seems better as someone clogging the lane or helping. I think he would've done a better job on Butler, but I'm not positive of that...especially when injured.
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MickeyDavis wrote:We know Horst isn't afraid to make trades, he's made plenty of them. Like every GM in every sport, not all of them have worked out. But he's definitely working the phones. Unlike in the past, leaks no longer come from the team.
That said, I'm not going to freak out if no moves are made. No "Stupid Horst" or "why didn't he DO something". It takes 2 (or more) teams to make a trade and virtually every team has more tradeable assets than we do. We may be simply outbid.
Yeah he's probably kicked the tires on virtually every trade proposed here.
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jschligs wrote:Horst is a silent assassin. Nobody knows anything about his moves and then BAM. Trade.
You heard it here first, reported by Jschligs. Brook and Pat C. for Bam.
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Ron Swanson wrote:We basically played without a Center for almost the entire 2021-22 season, unless you wanna count those hodgepodge 10-15 minutes of Boogie, Greg Monroe, and washed Ibaka. I really don't know why people freak out about losing back-up Center minutes. It's the easiest thing to replace in this league. RoLo, calling up Wenyen Gabriel, and just going smaller more often will all do in a pinch.
Yeah, we did. And we looked horrible on defense until Brook came back. No thanks to that.
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I'm hoping as much as anyone that Horst can pull some upgrade out of his ass but I just don't see how our crap leads to not crap.
I don't want to make a trade just out of discomfort of not feeling good enough right now if it limits our options in the off-season giving us even fewer assets. I'd rather go into the off-season with as many assets as possible to do something of significance.
If you think you're a PJ trade away then of course you sacrifice the assets. Unless we can fleece someone for a serious talent upgrade I don't buy that this mythical POA defender is going to come in and save the day. Bottom line is I think this teams only shot is Dame going on an absolute heater and Giannis going god mode. If those two things happen at the same time we have a chance and if they don't we aren't going anywhere, with or without Caruso or DFS or whatever marginal upgrade makes you feel excited enough to blow limited assets on.
Go big or stand pat and re-tool in the offseason with full disposal of limited "assets."
I don't want to make a trade just out of discomfort of not feeling good enough right now if it limits our options in the off-season giving us even fewer assets. I'd rather go into the off-season with as many assets as possible to do something of significance.
If you think you're a PJ trade away then of course you sacrifice the assets. Unless we can fleece someone for a serious talent upgrade I don't buy that this mythical POA defender is going to come in and save the day. Bottom line is I think this teams only shot is Dame going on an absolute heater and Giannis going god mode. If those two things happen at the same time we have a chance and if they don't we aren't going anywhere, with or without Caruso or DFS or whatever marginal upgrade makes you feel excited enough to blow limited assets on.
Go big or stand pat and re-tool in the offseason with full disposal of limited "assets."
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aboveAverage wrote:Ron Swanson wrote:We basically played without a Center for almost the entire 2021-22 season, unless you wanna count those hodgepodge 10-15 minutes of Boogie, Greg Monroe, and washed Ibaka. I really don't know why people freak out about losing back-up Center minutes. It's the easiest thing to replace in this league. RoLo, calling up Wenyen Gabriel, and just going smaller more often will all do in a pinch.
Yeah, we did. And we looked horrible on defense until Brook came back. No thanks to that.
You guys seem to be confusing the intent of this post. You're losing Bobby in this situation, not Brook.
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MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:humanrefutation wrote:Prez wrote:I want Giannis terrorizing teams as a help defender. We can throw him on usually mediocre off the dribble 3PT shooting wings (like Jimmy) but I don’t really see the point in reducing his help defense impact and having him chase around star perimeter players that can really shoot, especially around screens.
The point is well taken and yes, I don't need him chasing these guys all game or even most possessions. But when an opponent is cooking - ala Jimmy last year - Giannis has to step up and lock them down. Even just a few possessions of him forcing the ball out of that player's hands could make the difference in a tight playoff match up.
I do wonder though, is Giannis a 1-1 shut down defender. I honestly don't know at this point where there are some guys who seem to blow by him. He seems better as someone clogging the lane or helping. I think he would've done a better job on Butler, but I'm not positive of that...especially when injured.
He's got enough length to bother anyone. We saw him clamp down Butler back during the title run. Butler was on fire throughout the playoffs, and Giannis was injured, so there isn't much to say about last season. But assuming he's healthy, even if guys blow by him, he has enough length to meaningfully catch up and contest.