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europa wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Wade didn't get going until the second half and I think a lot of that was because Redd was playing hard against him defensively. Wade eventually got going because he's Wade and he's pretty damn good (even if he isn't close to 100 percent), but I still thought Redd was working hard on him defensively in the first half.
LukePliska wrote:Honestly, why do you even try to defend Redd anymore?
He's the new Terry Stotts of the message board... Everything is his fault. It's his fault that we pay Simmons, Bell, Gadzuric and Mason their salaries... And it's fault that they have all played at a D-League level this season.
It's all Redd's fault we aren't a good defensive team, it's his fault that we aren't a great rebounding team and heck... It's his fault that we aren't a amazing offensive team as well.
It's his fault that our former first pick turned out to be an average player instead of a great one. It's his fault Yi isn't already as good as Dirk, since he is 'stunting his growth by being so selfish'.
He is a selfish, greedy bastard who would rather pad his scoring and stats than win. (Even though his scoring has gone down and his others have gone up?) Hell, rumor has it Redd actually goes home at night and plots how to make the Bucks lose.
Europa, I agree the bench such as CV and Bell played well, but the Heat scrubs they played against looked awful. Haslem for example looks like a lot better player when he's got Shaq and Wade in their primes next to him.
midranger wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Redd may have been giving effort on Wade in the first, but he got help on literally every possession. Wade had 6 assists at half time passing out of the high double team. In the third, the Bucks allowed Redd to guard Wade by himself. The result was Wade destroyed Redd and sat his ass on the bench.
Simulack wrote:The bench played significantly better tonight, no doubt. But we shouldn't forget that Davis was torching Simmons for a while there.
11/7 in 18 is great for Bobby considering he has been utter **** this year but his positive contributions were partly balanced out by getting abused on D.
Still, the fact that he had ANY positive contribution is more than we can say about most of his games this year.
LukePliska wrote:We double teamed one of the best players in the NBA because we couldn't stop him one on one?!
LukePliska wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Holy crap!
We double teamed one of the best players in the NBA because we couldn't stop him one on one?!
Wait, let's trade Redd for someone who can guard Wade one on one! Oh... Wait, there isn't a player alive who can do that... I forgot.
Europa said he gave good defensive effort and he did, Redd played him hard... And Redd had a crappy game and Wade continued to light him up, because, well he is one of the top 10 basketball players in the world... That's why he was sat down in the 4th.
europa wrote:As I said earlier in the season, I think he has three sixes carved into his head.
I don't know why I keep defending him but I guess it's because 99% of the criticisms against him are so completely out of touch with reality that I can't sit back and just let them slide without comment. A game like this should make it pretty clear what the team's problem has been all season long - notice how there was a victory on a rare night when Villanueva, Simmons and Bell all played well? That's this team's biggest problem, not Michael Redd. But I probably will stop replying to most of the Redd stuff as things go on. It's become utterly pointless to try and debate his merits against people who have such a bizarre hatred of the guy they clearly can't be reasoned with.
The Bucks had their best offensive quarter in the 4th with Redd on the bench.europa wrote:Damn, for the life of me I can't figure out who the Heat were so damn concerned about defensively and whose every touch on the court drew so much defensive attention that it opened things up for other players for the Bucks. It'll come to me, though. Just hang on ...
europa wrote:Damn, for the life of me I can't figure out who the Heat were so damn concerned about defensively and whose every touch on the court drew so much defensive attention that it opened things up for other players for the Bucks. It'll come to me, though. Just hang on ...
europa wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
And conversely, the Heat focused all of their defensive attention on Mo. Oh wait, no they didn't it was Bogut. Nope, that wasn't it. It must've been Yi. No, it was Villanueva. Or was it Simmons? Or Bell? Could it have been Ivey?
Damn, for the life of me I can't figure out who the Heat were so damn concerned about defensively and whose every touch on the court drew so much defensive attention that it opened things up for other players for the Bucks. It'll come to me, though. Just hang on ...
LukePliska wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
I also heard that 666 rumor... I heard the church he built his father was actually so they could worship satan and pray for Buck's losses.
It opened things up even more for other Bucks players when Redd was on the bench and we scored 32 in the 4th on over 60% shooting.
midranger wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Saying a guy played good defense on a great player without mentioning that it was part of a double team every possession is somewhat dishonest contextually. Especially, when he was lit up when the second defender was taken away.
Thats just me though.
adamcz wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
The Bucks had their best offensive quarter in the 4th with Redd on the bench.
midranger wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Pretty (absolutely) sure that Johnny Mac was talking about the Heat bring the high double against Mo, the same way that the Bucks were bringing the high double against Wade.
Don't let facts stand in your way though.
europa wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
They never do. I usually end up supplying them to counter many of your bizarre statements. The fact is the Heat loaded up defensively to stop Redd tonight and it worked. They were determined not to let him beat them and he didn't. The good news for the Bucks is they had plenty of other guys finally step up and contribute. If Villanueva, Bell and Simmons all play as they usually have this season, the Bucks lose again.
europa wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
They never do. I usually end up supplying them to counter many of your bizarre statements. The fact is the Heat loaded up defensively to stop Redd tonight and it worked. They were determined not to let him beat them and he didn't. The good news for the Bucks is they had plenty of other guys finally step up and contribute. If Villanueva, Bell and Simmons all play as they usually have this season, the Bucks lose again.
