Game 28: Magic at Bucks - 12/21/23 - 7:00 - BSWI - Giannis Upgraded to Probable

Post #1 » by **MickeyDavis** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 8:31 pm

Tough back to back for Orlando, they play Miami at home Wednesday night.

Ingles will miss his second straight game with a sore ankle against Miami. No idea if he plays Thursday. I hope he does. I guessing everyone else will play for them.

Magic whipped us in Orlando in November. Dame did NOT play in that one. Giannis had 35/10/7.

Last home game of the year, the Bucks hit the road for 4 straight after this (NY, NY, Brooklyn, Cleveland).

Go Bucks.

Dick Tate · Post #2 » by **Dick Tate** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 8:44 pm

Schedule win.

neiLz · Post #3 » by **neiLz** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 9:12 pm

Must Win, Schedule Loss.

chonestown · Post #4 » by **chonestown** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 9:19 pm

Hammonds vs Horts, the gardener vs the deliveryman, a true cattle of the tritons.

mediocrityrules · Post #5 » by **mediocrityrules** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 9:32 pm

Hard to read Orlando's form. Have lost their last two, but they were both against Boston in Boston. Banchero has had a great stretch, averaging 27/7 through the last 5 (although taking a lot of shots to get it).

We should win this one. They have a great defense, but they can really struggle to score themselves (averaging 11 ppg less than the Bucks).

Shaffty · Post #6 » by **Shaffty** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 10:20 pm

Another revenge game, these have gone well for us

Post #7 » by **MickeyDavis** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 11:38 pm

Giannis questionable with right mid foot sprain

mediocrityrules · Post #8 » by **mediocrityrules** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 1:36 am

MickeyDavis wrote:Giannis questionable with right mid foot sprain

Dame 50 pt game incoming.

Post #9 » by **MickeyDavis** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 2:39 am

Magic got whipped tonight, garbage time cut it to 9 but they were never in the game. They've lost 3 straight.

0BobLobLaw0 · Post #10 » by **0BobLobLaw0** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 5:21 am

MickeyDavis wrote:Giannis questionable with right mid foot sprain

It's not left knee soreness.... amazing

sidney lanier · Post #11 » by **sidney lanier** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 3:09 pm

Hans and Franz don't scare me, but this will not be an easy win to put in the Banchero.

140-124 Bucks.

emunney · Post #12 » by **emunney** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 3:45 pm

Just kind of ruminating on the fact that we were 30th in TOs forced per 100 possessions last year, traded Jrue for Dame, and then decided we were going to try to be a team whose defense relied on forcing turnovers.

Post #13 » by **MickeyDavis** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 3:57 pm

Suggs and Ingles questionable. Suggs played last night but has a bad wrist. Ingles has missed the last 2 games.

Shaffty · Post #14 » by **Shaffty** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 4:20 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:Magic got whipped tonight, garbage time cut it to 9 but they were never in the game. They've lost 3 straight.

shot 25% from 3 ruhroh

Shaffty · Post #15 » by **Shaffty** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 4:21 pm

emunney wrote:Just kind of ruminating on the fact that we were 30th in TOs forced per 100 possessions last year, traded Jrue for Dame, and then decided we were going to try to be a team whose defense relied on forcing turnovers.

this is an incorrect order of operations. they traded jrue after the decision to force turnovers and be swarming defense

MiltownHawkeye · Post #16 » by **MiltownHawkeye** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 4:24 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:Magic got whipped tonight, garbage time cut it to 9 but they were never in the game. They've lost 3 straight.

Teams (like us) stopped looking past them.

Shaffty · Post #17 » by **Shaffty** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 4:35 pm

MiltownHawkeye wrote:
MickeyDavis wrote:Magic got whipped tonight, garbage time cut it to 9 but they were never in the game. They've lost 3 straight.

Teams (like us) stopped looking past them.

same thing happened to the pacers

emunney · Post #18 » by **emunney** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 4:42 pm

Shaffty wrote:
emunney wrote:Just kind of ruminating on the fact that we were 30th in TOs forced per 100 possessions last year, traded Jrue for Dame, and then decided we were going to try to be a team whose defense relied on forcing turnovers.

this is an incorrect order of operations. they traded jrue after the decision to force turnovers and be swarming defense

They traded Jrue before camp. WITH Jrue they were the *worst* at forcing turnovers in the league. So they weren't exactly leaning into a strength.

If they predetermined the plan based on that clearly contraindicating information and then stayed with it after a colossal personnel change in the wrong direction, that's not as exonerating as you seem to want to suggest.

CharityStripe34 · Post #19 » by **CharityStripe34** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 4:46 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:Giannis questionable with right mid foot sprain

Stepped on a Lego

Ron Swanson · Post #20 » by **Ron Swanson** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 5:02 pm

What's funny is that we've barely improved in forcing turnovers anyways (23rd). This is why the Griffin concerns continue to be valid even with the defense improving overall. We've seen a few variations of this kind of defense for a good half decade now (hell, Kidd basically enforced a heavy trapping/rotating scheme in his stint here and we all know how that turned out), and I don't see much correlation of success league wide. Look at all the great defenses and the vast majority are still built around elite rim-protectors.

Philosophically, I'll never agree with this Nurse/Griffin scheme that pulls your bigs away from the rim even if they have the ability to switch (your Pascals, Jaren Jacksons, Bam, etc,). Makes even less sense when 2/3rd's of your frontcourt is Brook and Bobby. All you're doing is exposing the most statistically valuable and controllable areas of the court (the paint and corners), in a tradeoff for less 3PT attempts (if executed correctly) and gambling with variance. Smart coaches and front offices are realizing that 3PT defense isn't something you can reliably control unless you're literally taking away the shot itself (running them off the line or blocking it), yet we seem to be going in the opposite direction.