PG Charlotte: Everybody now happy

[CharityStripe34]

My favorite line by the Charlotte guys was something like....

Giannis is coming at you like a boulder with steak knives.

Or something like that. Good stuff. I always enjoy their crew.

They're not bad with analysis but the lead announcer goes berserk for a simple play, it can be grating.

[JayMKE]

Grayson is a better more rounded player & would have fit very well this season but Beasley is more of a flamethrower & an absolute steal on a minimum deal, Beas having such a year def makes the Dame-Jrue trade easier to swallow.

[BUCKnation]

It is amazing having Pat/Bobby being viable rotation players again now that we have NBA-level coaching. They keep this up during the rough stretch in March and I’ll fill out an apology form lmao.

Also I love the Hornets commentary crew, a lot of other crews in the league would be unbelievably salty if their team got completely dismantled in all 4 matchups lol. But Eric Collins/Dell Curry were usually pretty level headed and respectful about it.

I listened to their feed as well and enjoyed it. I wasn't the biggest fan of Eric Collins bc he was so over the top most of the game, but he's calmed down a lot and uses it more sparingly.

[BigO]

To settle this important debate of Allen vs. Beasley, I am offering, as someone who has no dog in the fight, to be the final judge on the matter and bring my Clarence Thomas-esque objectivity to the table:

Defense- Give Allen some props. He has made himself into a decent defender, when he was originally one of the worst in the league. I don't think Beasley is as bad as advertised, as clearly the main culprit in a bad Bucks defense was the coach. Still, I'll give the edge to Allen.

Offense- Both Allen and Beasley are shooting percentages well above their past history, but all we care about is right now.

Their three point percentage is first and second in the league. Their total points are almost the same (within a few points) with Allen getting to the line significantly more, but Beasley hitting significantly more threes.

I give the edge to Beasley because he scores more threes and that's because he has such a quick release-much better than Allen. In the playoffs, teams will have to play Beasley much closer than Allen because of the release.

Verdict-Beasley is a better fit for the Bucks than Allen (at a much cheaper price).

I don't think his release is any quicker. But it is higher, and he jumps higher on his shot, so he is more comfortable taking them when contested compared to Allen.

according to nba.com/stats

Malik Beasley has taken 70 3s with the defense at 2-4 feet away classified as "close" defense.

Grayson Allen has taken 5

Amazing stat. No offense Ruben, but the time it takes Beasley to get off a shot compared to Allen, is night and day. To Allen's credit, he doesn't force things. He knows he needs time to shoot.

[BUCKnation]

If grayson had beas's mentality he'd avg 16-18 ppg. I think he's a better overall player but isn't aggressive enough and doesn't seek out his shot enough. Maybe he was being under utilized or too pigeon holed, but I always felt like he could be a more dynamic player than what he gave us. He only gave us glimpses.

[Ron Swanson]

I don't know how you could watch both Grayson and Beas play and not immediately come away with the impression that Beas is just a flat out superior shot-creator. Quicker release, higher release point, better off movement and off-balance. It should have been obvious if you ever watched Beasley shoot before this year. Grayson's a guy that had to set his feet and square up every single time, or else he was getting run off the line against any hard closeout (see: Boston series).

[Prez]

After Grayson got bitched so badly in his first Bucks playoff run, I gotta wait and see with Beasley before making any confident statements about him vs. Grayson. I gave Grayson a ton of **** for that playoff run, Beasley in this comparison has the luxury of not seeing a Bucks postseason just yet.

I've been very pleasantly surprised with his play this season and hope he keeps it up but I can't rule out the possibility he goes into a massive shooting slump at the worst time and starts getting targeted and lit up on D.

[Daver]

I don't know how you could watch both Grayson and Beas play and not immediately come away with the impression that Beas is just a flat out superior shot-creator. Quicker release, higher release point, better off movement and off-balance. It should have been obvious if you ever watched Beasley shoot before this year. Grayson's a guy that had to set his feet and square up every single time, or else he was getting run off the line against any hard closeout (see: Boston series).

All those things you mentioned that beas does better than allen.Does this board see those same traits in green.That makes green beas 2.0

[Daver]

After Grayson got bitched so badly in his first Bucks playoff run, I gotta wait and see with Beasley before making any confident statements about him vs. Grayson. I gave Grayson a ton of **** for that playoff run, Beasley in this comparison has the luxury of not seeing a Bucks postseason just yet.

I've been very pleasantly surprised with his play this season and hope he keeps it up but I can't rule out the possibility he goes into a massive shooting slump at the worst time and starts getting targeted and lit up on D.

All shooters go into slumps christ midds has has plenty of them as has dame.This board gets to down to fast when it hsppens to beas.Christ 3 games he shoots bad out come the haters again pitch forks in hand.Hes a 3 pt specialist even the great curry n ray allen had slumps

[tedbrogen]

I don't know how you could watch both Grayson and Beas play and not immediately come away with the impression that Beas is just a flat out superior shot-creator. Quicker release, higher release point, better off movement and off-balance. It should have been obvious if you ever watched Beasley shoot before this year. Grayson's a guy that had to set his feet and square up every single time, or else he was getting run off the line against any hard closeout (see: Boston series).

All those things you mentioned that beas does better than allen.Does this board see those same traits in green.That makes green beas 2.0

Green has an insanely high release on his shot, so based on that, he should be able to get it off even against hard closeouts. He also seems good at running around screens and quickly setting his feet to get a look off.

I haven’t seen him do a lot of the side step stuff Beas does, but that doesn’t mean he can’t, just that in his limited in game action he hasn’t.

Green also continues to improve ant everything since we first saw him on the court. His first few times out there he seemed to be the worst defender of all-time and couldn’t be trusted to not have the ball taken right out of his hands. Since then he’s added a ton of strength, seems laterally quicker as he now stays in front of most guys on D, and he’s good enough with the ball that I wouldn’t mind seeing them have him run some PnR as it might get him some open looks from deep.

[Milbucks96]

Beasley has been great for his role and salary, but I hope we don’t have to depend on him come playoff time. I think we’ve seen this so many times to hope it’ll be different. I

Great pickup, he’s been great. I just don’t see a 16 game player when I watch him.

[Ruben Quevedo]

I don't think his release is any quicker. But it is higher, and he jumps higher on his shot, so he is more comfortable taking them when contested compared to Allen.

according to nba.com/stats

Malik Beasley has taken 70 3s with the defense at 2-4 feet away classified as "close" defense.

Grayson Allen has taken 5

Amazing stat. No offense Ruben, but the time it takes Beasley to get off a shot compared to Allen, is night and day. To Allen's credit, he doesn't force things. He knows he needs time to shoot.

I really don't think that's true. Compare these videos:

Watch on YouTube

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Beasley even has a more pronounced dip before the shot than Grayson. He brings the ball below his waist almost every time, whereas Grayson is usually around the midsection and sometimes no lower than his chest (see the first clip).

I really think the biggest difference is just mentality - Beasley is comfortable shooting with a hand in his face and Grayson just isn't.

[MiltownMadness]

You can say Beas provides made 3s, but you can't say he spaces the floor. Spacing the floor is a choice the defense makes, and defenses continue to leave Beas unguarded in the corners, choosing extra defenders to guard Giannis on the roll.

And he punishes defenses for it better than anyone in the league? Really have no idea what you're trying to say, just give it a rest and let Beas have some praise.

Grayson Allen is actually the leader in 3 point %.

Beas shoots more attempts which youve read being discussed in this thread already lol

[chonestown]

I don't know how you could watch both Grayson and Beas play and not immediately come away with the impression that Beas is just a flat out superior shot-creator. Quicker release, higher release point, better off movement and off-balance. It should have been obvious if you ever watched Beasley shoot before this year. Grayson's a guy that had to set his feet and square up every single time, or else he was getting run off the line against any hard closeout (see: Boston series).

All those things you mentioned that beas does better than allen.Does this board see those same traits in green.That makes green beas 2.0

Yeah, I think they're similar. Beas better off the bounce and taking it to the rim. AJG is largely catch-and-shoot.

AJG is the heir apparent to Beas. Have to figure Beas sees some nice offers based on this year. There's room for both on the team right now, but the vet will become a cap casualty you have to think.

[JayMKE]

Probably part of the reason Grayson doesn't shoot as many contested shots is that he's more able to put the ball on the floor and create off the dribble when guys are closing hard on him, he's got more tools in the bag than Beas but how much do you want him using them in the playoffs? Bucks really needed a guy who is automatic on the wide open shots Giannis creates, Brynn Forbes was a championship contributor as a flamethrower and Beasley is a better player than him so I'm hopeful he'll get FVV hot in the playoffs.

[Baddy Chuck]

Penciling in CD-DNP guys into heavy rotation minutes (on a contender now no less) is one of my favorite RealGM Bucks board tropes.

[emunney]

Have said it a half dozen times, but the height and position of AJ's shot release is nuts. He's functionally a point guard sized dude in most other ways but it's so hard to contest him without fouling. **** goes straight up.

[AussieBuck]

To settle this important debate of Allen vs. Beasley, I am offering, as someone who has no dog in the fight, to be the final judge on the matter and bring my Clarence Thomas-esque objectivity to the table:

Defense- Give Allen some props. He has made himself into a decent defender, when he was originally one of the worst in the league. I don't think Beasley is as bad as advertised, as clearly the main culprit in a bad Bucks defense was the coach. Still, I'll give the edge to Allen.

Offense- Both Allen and Beasley are shooting percentages well above their past history, but all we care about is right now.

Their three point percentage is first and second in the league. Their total points are almost the same (within a few points) with Allen getting to the line significantly more, but Beasley hitting significantly more threes.

I give the edge to Beasley because he scores more threes and that's because he has such a quick release-much better than Allen. In the playoffs, teams will have to play Beasley much closer than Allen because of the release.

Verdict-Beasley is a better fit for the Bucks than Allen (at a much cheaper price).

I don't think his release is any quicker. But it is higher, and he jumps higher on his shot, so he is more comfortable taking them when contested compared to Allen.

according to nba.com/stats

Malik Beasley has taken 70 3s with the defense at 2-4 feet away classified as "close" defense.

Grayson Allen has taken 5

This is all of it right here.

[Prez]

I don't think his release is any quicker. But it is higher, and he jumps higher on his shot, so he is more comfortable taking them when contested compared to Allen.

according to nba.com/stats

Malik Beasley has taken 70 3s with the defense at 2-4 feet away classified as "close" defense.

Grayson Allen has taken 5

This is all of it right here.

It matters so much, especially on a Giannis team.

I remember souring on Brogdon at a certain point partly because of this (among other things), because the dude just refused to take 3s that weren't wide open. Looked up the same stat Shaffty posted but for Brogdon in 2018-19...dude took TWO "closely defended" 3s for the entire season lol.

[AussieBuck]

according to nba.com/stats

Malik Beasley has taken 70 3s with the defense at 2-4 feet away classified as "close" defense.

Grayson Allen has taken 5

This is all of it right here.

It matters so much, especially on a Giannis team.

I remember souring on Brogdon at a certain point partly because of this (among other things), because the dude just refused to take 3s that weren't wide open. Looked up the same stat Shaffty posted but for Brogdon in 2018-19...dude took TWO "closely defended" 3s for the entire season lol.

Yeah, that ole set shot. Brogdon was fine with it because it set up the rest of his game having guys closing out all the way on him but it was of limited use to the team because Giannis had just hit the paint and the rest of the defenders were still in there.