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[Daver]

#1
MKE: Carter Jr, Thybulle, Wiggins
OKC: Lopez, #23
ORL: Simons
PDX: Anthony, Connaughton, #12, ORL '25 1st (lottery protected)

#2
MKE: Finney-Smith
BKN: Portis, Beauchamp

Lillard / Smith Jr (tMLE)
Thybulle / Green
Finney-Smith / Wiggins
Middleton / Jackson Jr / Oso (#33)
Giannis / Carter Jr

Has giannis ever stated that he doesnt play the 5 spot cause if its a dead no this trade is moot

It wouldn’t be moot at all. We’re returning a solid center in this deal. We could easily start WCJ alongside Giannis and have DFS come off the bench.

The point is we have the lineup versatility to better matchup with our opponent.

Thanks for setting me straight i didnt know WCJ was a center

[raferfenix]

Biggest variable is Dame and whether the Giannis combo becomes Shaq/Kobe or just good.

Yes we need roster moves like Doc said. But he also emphasized Dame having a real offseason where he can train without fear of an injury blowing his trade demand.

Dame is the one leading this narrative. And he went so far as to say fans will be surprised to see how much the professional and personal challenges impacted him when he tears it up next season.

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[fansinceforever]

I understand Oklahoma City has a wealth of draft picks and they cant use them all but can someone explain why they want Brook Lopez?

[raferfenix]

Bucks have been linked to combo forwards for years now whether it be in the PJ / Semi / Crowder mold or reportedly Bojan / Jerami Grant / Grant Williams.

And now with Doc talking about ‘skilled athleticism’ it stands to reason we’ll want a forward that can move.

If Bobby is just better at the 4 that’s got to come into the equation for whether we deal or extend him as well.

[machu46]

I understand Oklahoma City has a wealth of draft picks and they cant use them all but can someone explain why they want Brook Lopez?

The basic argument is they don’t have a real C on the team and while teams like Dallas can’t punish them for that, a team like Denver probably would.


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[tydett]

I understand Oklahoma City has a wealth of draft picks and they cant use them all but can someone explain why they want Brook Lopez?

The idea is that OKC struggles with bigs, so Lopez might give them someone who can do that more than Chet until Chet can bulk up a bit.

But OKC is not interested in Lopez because a plodder disrupts the flow of their offense and defense. Gotta look elsewhere if they want to dump him.

[Daver]

Biggest variable is Dame and whether the Giannis combo becomes Shaq/Kobe or just good.

Yes we need roster moves like Doc said. But he also emphasized Dame having a real offseason where he can train without fear of an injury blowing his trade demand.

Dame is the one leading this narrative. And he went so far as to say fans will be surprised to see how much the professional and personal challenges impacted him when he tears it up next season.

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Yepper just a gut that this big 3 plus whoever else they bring in the midds giannis n dame are going to have a monster year

[jimmybones]

Dame is saying everything I'd want to hear to feel comfortable and even excited to run back this main core plus whatever ancillary changes.

Definitely need more athletes that can move their feet and defend to occupy spots 5-10 on the roster and definitely open to going another route than Brook, but I don't see a major shakeup happening and I don't blame them. You have to give this group a real shot at it- age, injury concerns and all.

Dame having a full offseason and coming in in shape and motivated with a clear head and time to mesh with Giannis and the coaching staff is probably worth more than any other offseason move we can reasonably make, and he sounds committed to it.

[buckboy]

I understand Oklahoma City has a wealth of draft picks and they cant use them all but can someone explain why they want Brook Lopez?

Not sure I agree that they'd want Brook, but they are TINY. Will be very interesting to see how they handle Minnesota's size if they play.

My prediction is that they'll wish they had Lopez, if only for one series. I think it'll be their undoing.

[rilamann]

I can't think of anything less exciting than running it back with 3 aging, injury prone players in their 30's.

Obviously, you keep Giannis.

But if I was GM of the Bucks, I wouldn't be able to trade Midds and Dame fast enough this off season.

Midds is physically incapable of playing B2Bs and misses multiple weeks every time he falls down and he's not getting any younger.

Dame can say all the right things and all the excuses in the world aren't going to stop him from turning 34 years old in 2 months. And that's before we get to the fact that he's a horrible fit next to Giannis, a volume shooter who couldn't guard the chair I am sitting in (To steal Jay Bilas' old line lol).

I can't think of a more futile endeavor than running it back with Giannis/Dame/Midds.

[paulpressey25]

But OKC is not interested in Lopez because a plodder disrupts the flow of their offense and defense. Gotta look elsewhere if they want to dump him.

This board in May 2009: "I don't like Richard Jefferson, so he has no trade value"

[Ron Swanson]

Lakers
Thunder
Orlando
Clippers
Houston
Pelicans
Suns

All teams that would probably be interested in making a 1-2 year investment in Brook and have the contracts to match. Brook showing he's still got it (19 PPG on 65% TS) in the playoffs is gonna keep him a valuable commodity to any playoff team looking for interior scoring and rim-protection.

[raferfenix]

If we let Brook expire (or bring him back on a cheap deal) that'd certainly help us avoid the 2nd apron.

Big contrast btw that and giving Bobby a rich extension if we aren't sure he's the best fit in our system post-Dame.

[trwi7]

I can't think of anything less exciting than running it back with 3 aging, injury prone players in their 30's.

[fansinceforever]

I can't think of anything less exciting than running it back with 3 aging, injury prone players in their 30's.

Obviously, you keep Giannis.

But if I was GM of the Bucks, I wouldn't be able to trade Midds and Dame fast enough this off season.

Midds is physically incapable of playing B2Bs and misses multiple weeks every time he falls down and he's not getting any younger.

Dame can say all the right things and all the excuses in the world aren't going to stop him from turning 34 years old in 2 months. And that's before we get to the fact that he's a horrible fit next to Giannis, a volume shooter who couldn't guard the chair I am sitting in (To steal Jay Bilas' old line lol).

I can't think of a more futile endeavor than running it back with Giannis/Dame/Midds.

Sure you can... Running it back with Giannis/Dame/Midds AND Brook.

I tend to agree with this. I'm going to attempt to remain as optimistic as some are around here that we can turn Brook, Bobby, Pat, Marjon, 23 and 33 (hopefully not another future 1st) into 2-3 good players that fit better.

[stillgotgame]

I understand Oklahoma City has a wealth of draft picks and they cant use them all but can someone explain why they want Brook Lopez?

Not sure I agree that they'd want Brook, but they are TINY. Will be very interesting to see how they handle Minnesota's size if they play.

My prediction is that they'll wish they had Lopez, if only for one series. I think it'll be their undoing.

Except they're not tiny. Just thin and light which makes them quick. They move much quicker than a heavy, slow plodding team like us.
Basketball is played with your hands, height to the top of your head doesn't matter. Practical size of an NBA player is their height up to their shoulders plus arm length. OKC players have very long arms:

Chet has a 7'6"wingspan
Jalen Williams wingspan is 7'2", incredible
Shai is 6'11"
Lu Dort 6'8.5"
Giddey 6'7.5"
Aaron Wiggins off the bench 6'11"

This is a very long team.

[MuckyFingers]

I can't think of anything less exciting than running it back with 3 aging, injury prone players in their 30's.

Obviously, you keep Giannis.

But if I was GM of the Bucks, I wouldn't be able to trade Midds and Dame fast enough this off season.

Midds is physically incapable of playing B2Bs and misses multiple weeks every time he falls down and he's not getting any younger.

Dame can say all the right things and all the excuses in the world aren't going to stop him from turning 34 years old in 2 months. And that's before we get to the fact that he's a horrible fit next to Giannis, a volume shooter who couldn't guard the chair I am sitting in (To steal Jay Bilas' old line lol).

I can't think of a more futile endeavor than running it back with Giannis/Dame/Midds.

I agree but also think there's no way out of it. The only thing they can do from a cap perspective is trade Portis as he's the only viable asset they can trade (maybe Brook to a lesser extent, but you have to take on long-term salary to move him). No team exists that will trade young assets for two years of a $65 million part-time player in Khris Middleton. When Horst hired Doc, this organization signed up for at least two more years of these guys and now they have to pray everyone's healthy next April. There are no big trades in the offing and anyone who thinks there are is engaging in magical thinking.

[ReasonablySober]

I can't think of anything less exciting than running it back with 3 aging, injury prone players in their 30's.

Obviously, you keep Giannis.

But if I was GM of the Bucks, I wouldn't be able to trade Midds and Dame fast enough this off season.

Midds is physically incapable of playing B2Bs and misses multiple weeks every time he falls down and he's not getting any younger.

Dame can say all the right things and all the excuses in the world aren't going to stop him from turning 34 years old in 2 months. And that's before we get to the fact that he's a horrible fit next to Giannis, a volume shooter who couldn't guard the chair I am sitting in (To steal Jay Bilas' old line lol).

I can't think of a more futile endeavor than running it back with Giannis/Dame/Midds.

I agree but also think there's no way out of it. The only thing they can do from a cap perspective is trade Portis as he's the only viable asset they can trade (maybe Brook to a lesser extent, but you have to take on long-term salary to move him). No team exists that will trade young assets for two years of a $65 million part-time player in Khris Middleton. When Horst hired Doc, this organization signed up for at least two more years of these guys and now they have to pray everyone's healthy next April. There are no big trades in the offing and anyone who thinks there are is engaging in magical thinking.

YUP.

[German Athens]

Mke: Stewart, Hunter, Caruso, Dyson Daniels
Atl: BI, Livingston
Nop: Dejountae, Brook, ATL 1st
Det: Bobby, Pat, #33
Chi: Marjon, Grimes, #23

Dame/Dyson
Caruso/AJ
Midds/Dre
Hunter
Giannis/Stewart

[buckboy]

I understand Oklahoma City has a wealth of draft picks and they cant use them all but can someone explain why they want Brook Lopez?

Not sure I agree that they'd want Brook, but they are TINY. Will be very interesting to see how they handle Minnesota's size if they play.

My prediction is that they'll wish they had Lopez, if only for one series. I think it'll be their undoing.

Except they're not tiny. Just thin and light which makes them quick. They move much quicker than a heavy, slow plodding team like us.
Basketball is played with your hands, height to the top of your head doesn't matter. Practical size of an NBA player is their height up to their shoulders plus arm length. OKC players have very long arms:

Chet has a 7'6"wingspan
Jalen Williams wingspan is 7'2", incredible
Shai is 6'11"
Lu Dort 6'8.5"
Giddey 6'7.5"
Aaron Wiggins off the bench 6'11"

This is a very long team.

Tiny in terms of big guys. They don't have any. Define it any way you want, but they're going to get abused inside.