Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Bucks deny Pistons to talk to Horst

[raferfenix]

Credit to Jon Horst for only hiring coaches he didn't want.

Horst pulled off the Dame trade and even had a nice pick up of Pat Bev at the deadline.

Not enough to fix the roster problems in time but a fine capstone.

Jon got Giannis to extend which is what mattered most. Giannis wanted a former player as a coach, and when Horst was denied Nick Nurse, Griffin (with Stotts as a babysitter) somehow became the compromise.

Doc vs Atkinson was probably viewed differently after the Grief catastrophe while Horst felt like he earned the ability to push back on Giannis.

Stands to reason ownership did not agree. And if Rivers has the cache to hold Giannis and Dame accountable while resetting the roster and style of play they’ll be right. We shall see.

[emunney]

But are all the other posts where he's been saying Giannis is the problem with our team and we need to trade him also a joke? This is just the culmination of an epic run of rancid takes.

I wish you all could read, not a single post have I said Giannis is the problem. Every post I've made about trading Giannis is based on the fact that I don't think the team can compete for a title anymore and thus trading everyone now extracts max value before next offseason when Dame Middleton and whoever else are worth 50% of what they are now and Giannis worth 20% less.

I'm going to quote so many posts Spring 2025 when we are ousted in the 2nd round and now everyone is worth nothing compared to what they are now. This team is on the edge of becoming as bad as PHX situation and only a handful of you can see it.

But you think trading Giannis for for the Phoenix situation fixes our situation?

Wish you could read. He didn't say it fixes our situation, he's just about extracting max value.

[raferfenix]

Brook’s been an iron man stellar defending stretch 5 for a few years now. Like so many others he tends to play best when his contact is ending too.

Whoever has him would be able to let him walk if the wheels fall off but will also have his bird rights if they don’t. Retaining him on a decreased salary would cut cap as well.

Basically I have a hard time seeing the Bucks trading Lopez on the cheap even if we want to move him to more of a 6th man role. That said it’s def plausible a team will value BroLo enough to make it worth it.

[raferfenix]

Middleton playing so well vs Indiana likely has teams viewing him at least as a Robert Horry style playoff assassin regular season be damned.

That’s worth plenty on the open market but also to the Bucks. Especially when Giannis and Dame get hurt at the wrong time.

Bobby and Middleton both failing to play defense makes it tough to cover for Dame. When we had Jrue and PJ that wasn’t as much of an issue. But relying on Beasley in this context was a predictable and predicted disaster.

Brook’s D is worth that much more to us if we still have 2 core guys who slack on that end (at the moment we have 4). However if we keep Lopez we’d need athletes to make up for how lumbering our front court has gotten aside from Giannis.

Am feeling like the combo of Khris and Bobby just doesn’t make sense with Dame vs what we could get in return. And the pairing of Bobby and BroLo may be a luxury we can’t afford depending on what else we’d be getting.

[jakecronus8]

Whether its tonight or game 6, it feels like the end of an era somewhat.

I can't control how I feel but I feel like the window is closed. Don't know where they go from here. Running it back is probably what makes the most sense on paper but the oldest team being a year older doesn't give me much hope when trying to win a young man's game.

[Ron Swanson]

Look for the teams that will wanna cut payroll and stay below the tax threshold. That's why I still like the Brook for Cam Johnson trade, and the Nets also have DFS who'd fit perfectly here. I wouldn't like either but that's why it also made sense that we were in on Kuzma and Wiggins at the deadline. Wonder if they revisit the Murray stuff as well. Would need to get creative with a 3rd team involved, but the Hawks are projected at just $8 million under the tax next season with 10-players under contract.

[BigO]

Other than having a deeper bench, there is no roster problem to fix. There is an injury problem that is addressable. The Bucks have championship level talent.

I get it that guys want to play fantasy basketball, so go at it. If the Bucks bow out tonight or the next game, I'll bow out for the off-season, unless there are actual roster moves.

[fansinceforever]

There's no such thing as a healthy Khris Middleton anymore. Brook isn't nearly as effective and the team collectively has no ability to keep decent offensive teams from scoring at will.

We have a bigger problem than just our role players.

[stillgotgame]

POPO: Doc Rivers
GM: Milt Newton
Coach: Darvin Ham

Your 2024-2025 Milwaukee Bucks. Welcome to Hell.

This is where my brain goes when I can't sleep.

AJJ to Golden State for Chris Paul incoming

[BroncoBuck]

Look for the teams that will wanna cut payroll and stay below the tax threshold. That's why I still like the Brook for Cam Johnson trade, and the Nets also have DFS who'd fit perfectly here. I wouldn't like either but that's why it also made sense that we were in on Kuzma and Wiggins at the deadline. Wonder if they revisit the Murray stuff as well. Would need to get creative with a 3rd team involved, but the Hawks are projected at just $8 million under the tax next season with 10-players under contract.

I posted the other day that Cam is a logical fit, especially if we want more Giannis at the 5 lineups.

[ABucksFan]

Any way to get KD without giving up Giannis and Dame? Might as well go out in a blaze

[giannis and 1]

POPO: Doc Rivers
GM: Milt Newton
Coach: Darvin Ham

Your 2024-2025 Milwaukee Bucks. Welcome to Hell.

This is where my brain goes when I can't sleep.

Darvin is a good coach who will inevitably be the next in a long list of Lebron scapegoat firings. There are definitely much worse outcomes than this.

Darvin Ham is a terrible coach.

[giannis and 1]

Any way to get KD without giving up Giannis and Dame? Might as well go out in a blaze

Middleton
Portis
Connaughton
Beauchamp
2024 1st (we would have to make the pick for them)
2024 Portland 2nd

for

KD
Little

[theFireBlanket]

They could call up, proposing the Middleton for KD swap & I'd pretty much immediately hang up on James Jones. Just to establish that Khris is a Buck for life & he's more valuable to the franchise than an older KD ever would be.

[theFireBlanket]

There's no such thing as a healthy Khris Middleton anymore. Brook isn't nearly as effective and the team collectively has no ability to keep decent offensive teams from scoring at will.

We have a bigger problem than just our role players.

Yet Khris plays more PO games than Giannis over the stretch of being Central Division Champs. Hm.

[fansinceforever]

There's no such thing as a healthy Khris Middleton anymore. Brook isn't nearly as effective and the team collectively has no ability to keep decent offensive teams from scoring at will.

We have a bigger problem than just our role players.

Yet Khris plays more PO games than Giannis over the stretch of being Central Division Champs. Hm.

I love Khris but you don't think him being out and Giannis being forced to shoulder a heavier load contributed to this years calf strain?

Other than injury, you're not gonna find a ton of KM slander from me.

[SirChurros]

There's no such thing as a healthy Khris Middleton anymore. Brook isn't nearly as effective and the team collectively has no ability to keep decent offensive teams from scoring at will.

We have a bigger problem than just our role players.

Yet Khris plays more PO games than Giannis over the stretch of being Central Division Champs. Hm.

I love Khris but you don't think him being out and Giannis being forced to shoulder a heavier load contributed to this years calf strain?

Other than injury, you're not gonna find a ton of KM slander from me.

Somehow finding a way to blame Khris for Giannis’ injury is something on Bucks RealGM would do.

[emunney]

There's no such thing as a healthy Khris Middleton anymore. Brook isn't nearly as effective and the team collectively has no ability to keep decent offensive teams from scoring at will.

We have a bigger problem than just our role players.

Yet Khris plays more PO games than Giannis over the stretch of being Central Division Champs. Hm.

I love Khris but you don't think him being out and Giannis being forced to shoulder a heavier load contributed to this years calf strain?

Other than injury, you're not gonna find a ton of KM slander from me.

No way -- the premise is not true. Usage was way down this year with Dame in the fold, and Khris played a lot more than last year. Much lighter load.

If there's no such thing as a healthy Khris Middleton anymore, I'll take the unhealthy one.

[Brewhoopfan]

Maybe it's just me, but I thought Marjon looked really small and thin last night. He's at almost 2 years of access to NBA strength and conditioning. It's possible he's working his tail off, and some guys have a really difficult time adding weight.

[MiltownMadness]

Maybe it's just me, but I thought Marjon looked really small and thin last night. He's at almost 2 years of access to NBA strength and conditioning. It's possible he's working his tail off, and some guys have a really difficult time adding weight.

Might be easier for him to gain weight in the offseason. Its not funny the amount of food a 6'6 23 year old with NBA conditioning needs to gain weight.