Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Bucks deny Pistons to talk to Horst

[steger_3434]

You can’t disregard injuries with Khris. We’ve lost 3 years in a row mostly because of injuries.


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[LUKE23]

You can’t disregard injuries with Khris. We’ve lost 3 years in a row mostly because of injuries.


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Not saying you disregard them. But if they lower his trade value to a point where you aren't getting enough, you keep him. He can still play.

[raferfenix]

If we keep Middleton I could see moving him to a Manu or Horry kind of role off the bench.

Khris isn't going to be healthy throughout the regular season I'll save you the suspense. Even trying to rely on him like that puts his presence in the playoffs at risk.

Middleton being in and out of the lineup also contributed materially to how this team wasn't able to establish any continuity or flow.

If he's a scorer coming off the bench to torch team's second units that'd matter way less.

[DingleJerry]

Brook's contract could be very attractive to certain teams.

They use him to win now next season, retain his bird rights, and then either drop a huge amount of cap letting him walk or just a lot of cap when extending him at a smaller number.

That also comes into play for how the Bucks value him too.

Assume Mids is being kept. Brook is also the contract big enough to match up with higher level players and/or two mid level guys like the BKN idea Ron brings up. Basically just saying if Mids is staying the other contracts aren't really large enough to match up as easily. Sure Pat can be added to others but I'd guess Pats contract is negative value. But to me it seems trade Brook is the obvious move, of course it depends on who you get back but its almost impossible not get younger and more athletic with what you get back.

[Ron Swanson]

Targets fitting Bobby's salary:

Wendell Carter Jr.
Alex Caruso
Dorian Finney-Smith
Terrance Mann
Larry Nance Jr.
Grant Williams

Targets fitting Brook's salary:

Bruce Brown
Cam Johnson
DeAndre Hunter
Kyle Kuzma
Dejounte Murray

Bonus list of targets fitting Pat's salary where you likely aren't needing to attach an asset:

Gary Payton II
Jeff Green
Jock Landale
Maxi Kleber

Obviously aggregating salaries opens up much more possibilities, but all these with the exception of maybe Murray should be realistic trade targets that would address some of our crucial role-player needs around the Big-3. Have at it.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I realize we are in win now mode as long as Giannis is here. But I really don't want to trade away any more firsts. We have no firsts or have pick swaps for the next several years.

yeah i agree....our best chance to improve now that our draft assets are on fumes and we cant sign anybody is to actually use those picks and hope we get a rookie malcolm brogdon type

if we can swap role players for better fits and were gonna keep the big 3 together i think we skip the ibaka, crowder, pj, beverly type moves with those picks. moves like that are almost just as risky as drafting... have zero upside..... and possible they walk even if we want to keep them anyway

[bucksfansince88]

I suggested a Pat Con for Jonathon Isaac trade at the deadline.

Watching Gary Harris do literally nothing for 4 of 5 games and our bigs get shredded defensively, I think it would’ve been a great trade for both teams.

Notably, Isaac is making almost twice as much as pat, so we would have needed to likely trade Bobby along with pat to get that done.

Yeah, I had a bigger 3 way thing going, but that was the base of the Orl/Mke swap

Edit: IIRC im pretty sure it was something along the line of…
Mke: Eason, Tate, Isaac
ORL: Conny, Jeff green
Hou: Lopez, Marjon

this is the move right here!

[pifhluk23]

Targets fitting Bobby's salary:

Wendell Carter Jr.
Alex Caruso
Dorian Finney-Smith
Terrance Mann
Larry Nance Jr.
Grant Williams

Targets fitting Brook's salary:

Bruce Brown
Cam Johnson
DeAndre Hunter
Kyle Kuzma
Dejounte Murray

Bonus list of targets fitting Pat's salary where you likely aren't needing to attach an asset:

Gary Payton II
Jeff Green
Jock Landale
Maxi Kleber

Obviously aggregating salaries opens up much more possibilities, but all these with the exception of maybe Murray should be realistic trade targets that would address some of our crucial role-player needs around the Big-3. Have at it.

Caruso & Murray solve so many of our problems. Then get Drummond or similar. I still think Horst has 1 foot out the door though and we're pretty much screwed.

[drew881]

Finding a way to turn Brook + one of Pat or Bobby into Cam Johnson and Dorian Finney-Smith would be my #1 realistic offseason goal. Have a sit-down with Giannis this offseason and tell him he's gonna need to follow in the footsteps of KG and Duncan if we wanna maximize this roster with the current cap limitations. Just sign a 10-15 minute athletic rim-runner type Center for the minutes that he sits.

Just promise that you’ll load manage him against Denver during the season and hope you don’t play him in the finals.

Cam Johnson probably fine, but someone younger than DFS would be preferable.

[FrieAaron]

Caruso seems like an obvious fit, but it looks like he's fallen off in the playoffs historically. He's been OK in the play-ins though so maybe that's behind him?

[-Jragon-]

Midds was 20/6/7 on .595 TS per 36 this year. I'm not saying I wouldn't trade him without question, but I doubt we get better value back than what we get from him. I understand the injury annoyance with him, but he's still a great #3 option. He just balled out in the playoffs as well - 24.7/9.2/4.7 (.482/.355/.900).

A couple notes on KM that maybe people don't think about.
* His insistence on being on the block instead of letting his age/medical history move him into a 3 point specialist (where he would be amazing) does more bad than good:
1. He's in the area where all the turnovers happen in the middle of all the arms
2. He's where all the legs and feet are that he steps on and gets hurt most
3. Add to that that his TS% would be even higher since those 3s would be open from passes courtesy of GA and Dame (assuming health) and 3 is a higher # than 2

Evolve bro. You stay healthier and more effective in the new NBA hitting dagger 3s off ball movement. He could have gotten open 3s anytime he wanted by screening and popping with Dame... all day.. both defenders stop Dame 1st before they rotate to the screener. Only path for him staying a buck IMO is commit to a mobility regimen (for defense) with GA in the off-season and evolve into the 3 point game -- only post when you get a mismatch.

[MickeyDavis]

I realize we are in win now mode as long as Giannis is here. But I really don't want to trade away any more firsts. We have no firsts or have pick swaps for the next several years.

yeah i agree....our best chance to improve now that our draft assets are on fumes and we cant sign anybody is to actually use those picks and hope we get a rookie malcolm brogdon type

if we can swap role players for better fits and were gonna keep the big 3 together i think we skip the ibaka, crowder, pj, beverly type moves with those picks. moves like that are almost just as risky as drafting... have zero upside..... and possible they walk even if we want to keep them anyway

Yup. I'm fine trading the current first round picks we have every other year (which we can't do until after the draft) but I'm not going out there any father in the future than we already have.

[Ron Swanson]

I think Caruso is overrated as ****, especially considering he's a whopping 13-months younger than Pat, who everyone thinks is "old and washed". But I can't deny he'd fill a need here, and assuming he doesn't leave for Detroit, I have a feeling he's gonna be the guy Horst is gonna zero in on this offseason and end up desperately overpaying for.

[ReasonablySober]

Congrats to the Bucks. The only thing anyone cares about today is that loser **** Bev. The team itself is skating.

[LUKE23]

Congrats to the Bucks. The only thing anyone cares about today is that loser **** Bev. The team itself is skating.

GA played zero minutes in this series, so they were always going to "skate". Really, it made everything pretty tough to evaluate. No team is winning a series down a top 3 player. Hell, you could argue GA was the best player in the league this year very easily, factoring in both ends.

[-Jragon-]

One thing that would make KM for KD as a possible solution would be if KD can play the 4 next to Giannis. It would be cool if KM could but Siakem made pretty easy work with him due to lack on length. With KD and Giannis back that's 2 seven footers and have 3 fast guys around the perimeter with them.

[Bucks4Milwaukee]

Targets fitting Bobby's salary:

Wendell Carter Jr.
Alex Caruso
Dorian Finney-Smith
Terrance Mann
Larry Nance Jr.
Grant Williams

Targets fitting Brook's salary:

Bruce Brown
Cam Johnson
DeAndre Hunter
Kyle Kuzma
Dejounte Murray

Bonus list of targets fitting Pat's salary where you likely aren't needing to attach an asset:

Gary Payton II
Jeff Green
Jock Landale
Maxi Kleber

Obviously aggregating salaries opens up much more possibilities, but all these with the exception of maybe Murray should be realistic trade targets that would address some of our crucial role-player needs around the Big-3. Have at it.

Caruso, Williams, and Brown would be something I’d like. Instant “fit” upgrades in my eyes around Dame and Giannis. I’d also try to swing another big who can play defense and jump out of the gym. Younger 3 and D guy to replace Khris. Big overhaul of youth and energy with the ability to defend better on guard and shoot spot up 3s. Someone else who can create on offense in the 2/3 hole would be dependent on if a full offseason of Giannis working with Dame and being able to figure out how to move without the ball.

Could be a very exciting year offseason besides the fact that Doc will likely still be our coach. Hopefully Horst is as good as I think most believe he has been up to this point.

[-Jragon-]

One thing that would make KM for KD as a possible solution would be if KD can play the 4 next to Giannis. It would be cool if KM could but Siakem made pretty easy work with him due to lack on length. With KD and Giannis back that's 2 seven footers and have 3 fast guys around the perimeter with them.

I get that they are kind of the same guy but you turn KM into a 7ft KM

[Karsenmitsche]

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This is what a proper coaching search looks like. What a great list.

[Siefer]

Can't imagine they bring Bev back after this. Toxic af.