dirk nowitzki

[Rockmaninoff]

I like the idea of seeing if #7 and Simmons would get Josh Howard. Then I'd keep Redd. Do the old standby of Mo for Haslem. Sign Duhon. I'd be ok with that team going into next year.

I agree though with the sentiments above that Cuban will try another year with Dirk and Kidd. And he might want to add Redd to the mix to do that. So I'd also make the Redd-Howard deal.

Duhon sucks. Let Cuban sign Duhon. Charlie Bell is better than Duhon. Can we stop talking about Duhon?

As far as the Josh Howard deals, those only make us marginally better or worse. Howard doesn't have the game to be the main guy.

Isn't there a thread for Howard deals?

[paulpressey25]

-= As far as the Josh Howard deals, those only make us marginally better or worse. Howard doesn't have the game to be the main guy.

Where are we going to get the main guy then if we pick #7 in the lotto?

[Rockmaninoff]

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Where are we going to get the main guy then if we pick #7 in the lotto?

That's why you trade anybody on the team for a high draft pick(s), or you trade for Dirk Nowitzki and pair him with Bogut and Rudy Fernandez.

We need a great backcourt player and a great frontcourt player. Right now, we have neither.

Unless we are going to build a sum-of-it's-parts team. Then, it all comes down to the salary structure, and paying guys exactly what the are worth, and nothing more. This is what worries me about Bogut's extension.

[fam3381]

As far as the Josh Howard deals, those only make us marginally better or worse. Howard doesn't have the game to be the main guy.

The Howard deal isn't about upgrading the talent level so much as giving you a much better contract and a player who can play on both ends. Even if he's slightly less talented, he can at least play defense and rebound in addition to scoring 20 ppg.

That's about as good as we can do unless Cuban completely panics and flips us Dirk, or if Carmelo decides he needs to top his DUI/speeding tickets by beating up someone's grandma tomorrow. And I know many people aren't even sold on Carmelo, even though he's clearly a more dominant player than Redd (and also happens to be paid slightly less and is a half decade younger).

[InsideOut]

I don't see how any of these trades make sense for Dallas. The fact that they traded for Kidd means they are in a win now mode. I doubt they scrap that after 6 weeks of Kidd. And even if I'm wrong and they decide to rebuild, Redd is about the last guy a rebuilding team would trade for. I also can't see why they'd do Howard for Simmons and #7. Simmons has negative trade value. We'd give him away for free if we could. The 7th pick might interest them but if Dallas is in win now mode that 7th pick is going to do a lot less to help them win now than Howard would. And if they are in rebuild mode I think we all agree that the odds of the 7th pick in this draft being better than Howard are slim.

The only deal I see Dallas think long and hard about would be Redd and Yi or Redd and the 7th pick for Howard. This trade doesn't make them that much worse right now and they both help Dallas in the future. However, it wouldn't surprise me if the Bucks didn't make these two offers.

[paulpressey25]

Again the theme comes back to this Western Conference also rans and how one of them will trade a cornerstone piece out of frustration.

Fam, I'd take Carmelo here as well.

[SupremeHustle]

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Duhon sucks. Let Cuban sign Duhon. Charlie Bell is better than Duhon. Can we stop talking about Duhon?

I agree. And if you changed Duhon to Haslem I'd agree even more. This fascination with mediocrity continues to amaze and baffle me.

[Bucks_Revenge]

is Dirk stock value the same as to KG last season...because the Celtics gave up allot.

[jerrod]

is Dirk stock value the same as to KG last season...because the Celtics gave up allot.

ha!

[Siefer]

is Dirk stock value the same as to KG last season...because the Celtics gave up allot.

So did the Lakers when they traded for Gasol. I certainly hope we don't get ripped like LA did.

[smooth 'lil balla]

You guys are all looking at this from the perspective of Milwaukee fans and wondering why Dirk would ever be traded by Dallas.

I agree it would be a long-shot, but Dallas is in their own way as bad off as we are. Or at least their fans feel that way.

It all depends on expectations. Dallas has been going for a title now for seven years. And now they are clearly going backwards. You can't even argue against that.

Sometimes teams in that situation just get tired of the status quo, even if the status quo is 54-wins every year. Teams in that situation think about doing desparate things (like trading for Kidd). Players in that situation get tired of playing on the same team with the same guys and never making it year after year.

I'm not saying our package of assets to pick and choose from (Yi, Redd, Mo, #7 plus cap filler) is 100% equal value, but rebuilding teams with young stars (like a Durant or Brandon Roy) or say a top two pick in this draft (Rose/Beasley picks) aren't going to trade those assets for Dirk. They just aren't.

Dallas can either try and rebuild entirely around Dirk while blowing everything else, or they can trade Dirk and blow it up, but with some new assets. And we've actually got ok assets to offer up in the second scenario.

Yea, but in this scenario they are rebuilding with Yi. Like you said, the trade only works for them if they think he's better than dirk in a few years.

[europa]

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So did the Lakers when they traded for Gasol. I certainly hope we don't get ripped like LA did.

You're kidding, right? The Lakers gave up nothing of significance to get Gasol. That was one of the most ridiculous fleecings in league history. It was so blatantly one-sided there were a lot of pissed off GMs in the league because they had offered a lot more for Gasol and kept getting turned down. I'd love to see the Bucks steal Dirk away from the Mavs the way the Lakers stole Gasol but I can't see that happening. I think it will take a helluva lot for Cuban to even consider trading Dirk. I think Howard is the guy who will go and I think the Bucks should at least jump into the water and make an offer.

[Siefer]

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You're kidding, right? The Lakers gave up nothing of significance to get Gasol. That was one of the most ridiculous fleecings in league history. It was so blatantly one-sided there were a lot of pissed off GMs in the league because they had offered a lot more for Gasol and kept getting turned down. I'd love to see the Bucks steal Dirk away from the Mavs the way the Lakers stole Gasol but I can't see that happening. I think it will take a helluva lot for Cuban to even consider trading Dirk. I think Howard is the guy who will go and I think the Bucks should at least jump into the water and make an offer.

If by one sided you mean the Grizzlies stole Kwame Brown from LA, than yes I agree.

[Dirkenstien41]

Hi everyone,

Been reading through this forum and I felt perhaps it would help all of you out to put the Dirk trade theories to rest.

Frankly it's just not going to happen and out of all of the posters on this thread Europa seems to have the best grip on Dallas' current state of mind right now. There is just absolutely no way Cuban trades Dirk because he just loves the guy and Dirk is probably more valuable to the Mavs organization than he is worth on the trading market.

With that said, many Dallas fans want to try to rebuild around Dirk and Kidd to give the championship run another shot. Howard is a great talent but he is our most valuable trading piece that is actually available so many think we will explore moving Howard for another player more suited to play with Kidd and Dirk.

In general, Mavs fans really like the idea of doing a deal for Redd but there are questions about his defense and his contract.

I think this is what Dallas would accept in a trade offer:

Dallas Gets:
Michael Redd
2009 lottery protected. (throw in this year's second round pick and I think it seals the deal for Dallas.)

Milwuakee Gets:
Josh Howard
Jerry Stackhouse (only 2 mil guaranteed after next season*)

*Edit: Initial offer wasn't fair to Milwaukee so this has been revised.

[europa]

What about Redd/2nd for Howard/Stackhouse? I wouldn't want to part with both Redd and Yi to get Howard.

[LUKE23]

Hi everyone,

Been reading through this forum and I felt perhaps it would help all of you out to put the Dirk trade theories to rest.

Frankly it's just not going to happen and out of all of the posters on this thread Europa seems to have the best grip on Dallas' current state of mind right now. There is just absolutely no way Cuban trades Dirk because he just loves the guy and Dirk is probably more valuable to the Mavs organization than he is worth on the trading market.

With that said, many Dallas fans want to try to rebuild around Dirk and Kidd to give the championship run another shot. Howard is a great talent but he is our most valuable trading piece that is actually available so many think we will explore moving Howard for another player more suited to play with Kidd and Dirk.

In general, Mavs fans really like the idea of doing a deal for Redd but there are questions about his defense and his contract.

I think this is what Dallas would accept in a trade offer:

Dallas Gets:
Michael Redd
#7 or Yi

Milwuakee Gets:
Josh Howard
Jerry Stackhouse (only 2 mil guaranteed after next season*)

Considering the talent level between Howard and Redd is not that high, I think 7 or Yi is too much to give up in addition. Don't think that helps us much.

[Rockmaninoff]

I think this is what Dallas would accept in a trade offer:

Dallas Gets:
Michael Redd
#7 or Yi

Milwuakee Gets:
Josh Howard
Jerry Stackhouse (only 2 mil guaranteed after next season*)

The problem with that offer, is that we get it with no vasoline. No thanks.

[LUKE23]

Hi everyone,

Been reading through this forum and I felt perhaps it would help all of you out to put the Dirk trade theories to rest.

Frankly it's just not going to happen and out of all of the posters on this thread Europa seems to have the best grip on Dallas' current state of mind right now. There is just absolutely no way Cuban trades Dirk because he just loves the guy and Dirk is probably more valuable to the Mavs organization than he is worth on the trading market.

With that said, many Dallas fans want to try to rebuild around Dirk and Kidd to give the championship run another shot. Howard is a great talent but he is our most valuable trading piece that is actually available so many think we will explore moving Howard for another player more suited to play with Kidd and Dirk.

In general, Mavs fans really like the idea of doing a deal for Redd but there are questions about his defense and his contract.

I think this is what Dallas would accept in a trade offer:

Dallas Gets:
Michael Redd
#7 or Yi

Milwuakee Gets:
Josh Howard
Jerry Stackhouse (only 2 mil guaranteed after next season*)

Edit: double post

[Nowak008]

Redd+09 first lottery protected for Howard+Stack

[Johnny Newman]

Hi everyone,

Been reading through this forum and I felt perhaps it would help all of you out to put the Dirk trade theories to rest.

Frankly it's just not going to happen and out of all of the posters on this thread Europa seems to have the best grip on Dallas' current state of mind right now. There is just absolutely no way Cuban trades Dirk because he just loves the guy and Dirk is probably more valuable to the Mavs organization than he is worth on the trading market.

With that said, many Dallas fans want to try to rebuild around Dirk and Kidd to give the championship run another shot. Howard is a great talent but he is our most valuable trading piece that is actually available so many think we will explore moving Howard for another player more suited to play with Kidd and Dirk.

In general, Mavs fans really like the idea of doing a deal for Redd but there are questions about his defense and his contract.

I think this is what Dallas would accept in a trade offer:

Dallas Gets:
Michael Redd
#7 or Yi

Milwuakee Gets:
Josh Howard
Jerry Stackhouse (only 2 mil guaranteed after next season*)

Thats to much for Howard. I know Redd is a non defending chucker. But damn. I almost spit my beer out laughing at this lopsided deal. I know we all got our purple glasses on here and over value. But Howard isn't that much better. Doesn't deserve a high first of Yi. Next you be talking us into taking on Dampiers contract too I suppose.