Bogut:5-yr/$60mm Guaranteed + $12.5mm possible bonuses (OLD)

[LUKE23]

If it's incentives up to $72.5M, that likely includes all-star berths and/or team win totals and/or playoff advancement criteria, so if he reached the full amount of the contract, I don't think many people would be complaining.

[paul]

I don't want to misinterpret so could you confirm what you mean by this? I'm hoping I am real wrong about what you are saying.

Sorry, to clarify "all-in" meant with all incentives. At this point he did not want to say what the guaranteed dollars were or what type of incentives were built into the deal. So I don't think we can really make any type of final conclusion whether it was a bargain/too much until those details come out. For instance, if he gets $72.5 for being an all-star every year of the deal, then I don't have a big problem with it. If he gets the same amount for putting up 10/8, then it doesn't look nearly as good

Yep I think we all need to keep our powder dry for a little while until the actual details are announced. As you say fam if for example he's an allstar for every year of the deal meaning incentives and therefore earns $72m for 5 the deal looks great for us - if on the other hand he's guaranteed that money no matter what it's, well, not so good....

[Sigra]

incentives should be about FT% more than anything IMO

[LISTEN2JAZZ]

incentives should be about FT% more than anything IMO

That would be really smart. Incentive systems are the only way to really get somebody to do something, and if Andrew thought that an entire summer practicing his free throws would net him another $12 million, I'm sure he'd do it. That would of course also help his 10 ft jumper.

[fam3381]

I summarized the Bauman stuff here:
http://www.brewhoop.com/2008/7/9/568012 ... nsion-news

[Siefer]

I seriously hope that the $72mil figure is with All-Star type incentives. Anything less in incentive requirements, or if that amount is guaranteed, and this contract is terrible. I was okay with 5/60, but even that's a lot for Andrew's production to date, and I say this as a big Bogut fan.

[Profound23]

Two things are for sure no matter if it is 60 or 72

1.) Mo can no longer punk Bogut on his salary
2.) Bogut will now be under more scrutiny than Redd as he is now a #1 pick and making big time money.

[ReasonablySober]

Two things are for sure no matter if it is 60 or 72

1.) Mo can no longer punk Bogut on his salary
2.) Bogut will now be under more scrutiny than Redd as he is now a #1 pick and making big time money.

I have zero doubt that when he's averaging 14/9 this season it will still be the fault of our chucking guards.

[Whiteman]

Two things are for sure no matter if it is 60 or 72

1.) Mo can no longer punk Bogut on his salary
2.) Bogut will now be under more scrutiny than Redd as he is now a #1 pick and making big time money.

I have zero doubt that when he's averaging 14/9 this season it will still be the fault of our chucking guards.

14/9 is solid production for a $ 6.3 mln player

[GrandAdmiralDan]

Next offseason, assuming the salary cap actually increases instead of remaining the same or decreasing, the max salary (and therefore max contract) number is different for Bogut.
This is the case for someone like Chris Paul if he signs an actual max extension. We won't know the true value of that extension until this time next year when the new max salary figures come out.

I'll give you some more numbers to look at momentarily

Alright, I got tied up on the phone for a bit. Sorry.

Continuing...

It is very premature right now to attempt and forecast the 09-10 salary cap, especially without being able to examine some of the final hard data on 07-08 BRI quite yet, but let's just say that the Celtics and Lakers remaining premier teams again this season keeps revenue up. If that is the case, a conservative estimate for the 09-10 salary cap would be a 3.5% increase to $60.7338 mil

That would bump up the max salary figure for Bogut to ~$14.24 mil

That would bump up the previous numbers I mentioned to the following:

Through us, via bird rights:
14.24
15.7352
17.2304
18.7256
20.2208
21.716
Total: $86.152 mil over 5 or $107.868 mil over 6

Outside team (offer sheet we could choose to match):
14.24 1.1392
15.3792
16.5184
17.6576
18.7968
$82.592 mil over 5

And it is at least possible that the salary cap increase could be greater than 3.5% like it was this season, so that would push those numbers higher still.

[Simulack]

[I have zero doubt that when he's averaging 14/9 this season it will still be the fault of our chucking guards.

The only positive I can find here is that people here will likely start to evaluate Bogut more objectively/critically since he is now signed to a ridiculous contract. I foresee a similar situation to what happened with Redd who quickly went from being a fan favorite when he was on a cheap contract and it was easier to gloss over his shortcomings to the most heavily criticized player on this board after signing his current deal.

[paul]

Two things are for sure no matter if it is 60 or 72

1.) Mo can no longer punk Bogut on his salary
2.) Bogut will now be under more scrutiny than Redd as he is now a #1 pick and making big time money.

I have zero doubt that when he's averaging 14/9 this season it will still be the fault of our chucking guards.

He averaged 14/10 this season, I don't see him regressing in points or rebounds personally. If he does average 14/9 next season he'll well and truly be earning the $6.3m or whatever he'll be paid for next season.

[crkone]

Unlike Redd though, Bogut has already averaged near a double double. Until we see Redd put up at least 5 rebs and 5 assists a game, he will still be most scrutinized. No doubt Bogut's bar has been raised, but if the incentive,s are true he must earn his money.

[GrandAdmiralDan]

5yrs 72 mil would be more than what Paul signed for...that would be sad.

Maybe it is 5 yrs 60 mil and 12 mil in incentives so every year Bogut has to play with Mo/Redd back court Bogut gets an extra 2.4 mil per year.

Chris Paul is getting a max extension for 4 years, with that 4th year being a player option. The exact amount can only be estimated, as I point out in a prior post. Bogut is not getting max salary during his deal, Chris Paul is. It is Chris Paul who wanted the shorter deal. If it were up to the Hornets, they would have chosen a 5 year extension with no player option, to lock him up for as long as allowable.

[ReasonablySober]

Two things are for sure no matter if it is 60 or 72

1.) Mo can no longer punk Bogut on his salary
2.) Bogut will now be under more scrutiny than Redd as he is now a #1 pick and making big time money.

I have zero doubt that when he's averaging 14/9 this season it will still be the fault of our chucking guards.

He averaged 14/10 this season, I don't see him regressing in points or rebounds personally. If he does average 14/9 next season he'll well and truly be earning the $6.3m or whatever he'll be paid for next season.

I absolutely see a regression in points. We're substituting two offensively inept starters in Yi and Simmons/Mason and inserting CV and RJ. Combine that with what history has shown to be a very jump shooting friendly Skiles system and you can easily gather than Bogut isn't going to get the FGAs he got last season.

Second, I could easily see the rebounding numbers going down as well for a number of reasons. CV's a much better rebounder than Jianlian, we've inserted two more offensively efficient players into the lineup, and with a drop in FGAs Bogut won't be collecting as many of his own misses.

I absolutely hate the idea of extending Bogut this summer. With the way this team is constructed, I don't see any way he could have 'exploded'. Now it looks like we're overpaying by $15-20 million.

[fam3381]

Second, I could easily see the rebounding numbers going down as well for a number of reasons. CV's a much better rebounder than Jianlian, we've inserted two more offensively efficient players into the lineup, and with a drop in FGAs Bogut won't be collecting as many of his own misses.

FWIW, Bogut averaged more reb/40 minutes playing with CV (11.4) than Yi (11.2) last year. I don't disagree with your other points.

http://82games.com/0708/0708MILP.HTM

[Profound23]

Drugbust, IMO if there is a regression in pts scored by Bogut it will be more than offset with a progression in assists with a guy like RJ who will take it to the rack, as long as he doesn't fall in to the curse of Milwaukee Bucks jump shooting that seems to hit most players once they put on our uni.

[ReasonablySober]

Second, I could easily see the rebounding numbers going down as well for a number of reasons. CV's a much better rebounder than Jianlian, we've inserted two more offensively efficient players into the lineup, and with a drop in FGAs Bogut won't be collecting as many of his own misses.

FWIW, Bogut averaged more reb/40 minutes playing with CV (11.4) than Yi (11.2) last year. I don't disagree with your other points.

http://82games.com/0708/0708MILP.HTM

Fair point, though I think most would agree that CV's play as a starter is significantly better than when he comes off the bench. I also took rebounding rate into account.

[midranger]

Ugh. Just awful.

Why sign him now to an absurd deal? What's the point? Where's the discount?

Stupid.

[Buck You]

Whether it's 5/60 or 5/72.5 he has to step up in a big way next season. He's a competitive guy so I'm pretty sure he'll step up to the challenge. Hopefully he does.