Trade Talk (Part 15): Trade Deadline Day (and onwards!)

[Neeva]

We need a solid shooting 9th man, Slowmo is NOT that.

[TimberKat]

Knicks Acquire Alec Burks From Pistons For Quentin Grimes - that is a huge price for Burks. Wonder if they are bidding with Twolves

It turned out to be for both Burks and Bogdanovic.

That makes a lot more sense but really sucked for us. I don't know if I could keep watching KA with the ball in the corner and trying to fake a drive with the defender 5 feet away from him.

[shrink]

We need a solid shooting 9th man, Slowmo is NOT that.

There sure are a lot of ninth men getting traded so far!

[Domejandro]

We need a solid shooting 9th man, Slowmo is NOT that.

There sure are a lot of ninth men getting traded so far!

How it feels watching all these good players get traded for absolute garbage.

[Neeva]

We need a solid shooting 9th man, Slowmo is NOT that.

There sure are a lot of ninth men getting traded so far!

Yea it’s a trade deadline for bench pieces , but at least no opposing contenders in the west are really improving themselves too much . gafford is overrated, hayward is made of glass etc. YET anyway.

[Domejandro]

On a positive note, thank goodness that Minnesota traded for Monte Morris yesterday, rather than waiting. Detroit would have traded him for a half-used roll of toilet paper to a random team, by now.

[shrink]

I am not optimistic for another move, but we should keep an eye out for a 2:59 trade of Wendell Moore Jr.

Jon Krawcinski says that the owners aren’t factoring in Mike Conley’s bonus, and if it hits, they will gladly pay because we made the finals. Personally, I think that’s wasteful, when a little cash up front to move WMJ could keep us under the lux, regardless of whether Conley’s bonus hits.

The best landing spot for WMJ is a rebuilding team, where cap space won’t matter next year, and most importantly - has the roster space (and mechanism) to add him for cap space. With all of these tiny trades everywhere, we might not know until the end of the deadline which teams have open roster spots.

[BlacJacMac]

I would not underrate that Gordon Hayward pickup, I think that is an insanely good deal for Oklahoma City. They cleared Dāvis Bertāns salary for Tre Mann (zero seconds) and received a starting caliber, efficient wing-player.

The thing to fear is a follow-up for a backup rebounding big. If they manage to scrape someone like Andre Drummond, they immediately become a serious problem, for Minnesota.

Drummond would be the ideal pickup for them. They'd finally have a guy who can go toe-to-toe with Jokic, Gobert and Embiid.

[KGdaBom]

We need a solid shooting 9th man, Slowmo is NOT that.

There sure are a lot of ninth men getting traded so far!

Yea it’s a trade deadline for bench pieces , but at least no opposing contenders in the west are really improving themselves too much . gafford is overrated, hayward is made of glass etc. YET anyway.

Gafford isn't overrated and is a huge get for the Mavs if the deal goes through.

[Domejandro]

I am not optimistic for another move, but we will need to keep an eye out for a 2:59 trade of Wendell Moore Jr.

Jon Krawcinski says that the owners aren’t factoring in Mike Conley’s bonus, and if it hits, they will gladly pay because we made the finals. Personally, I think that’s wasteful, when a little cash up front to move WMJ could keep us under the lux, regardless of whether Conley’s bonus hits.

The best landing spot for WMJ is a rebuilding team, where cap space won’t matter next year, and most importantly - has the roster space (and mechanism) to add him for cap space. With all of these tiny trades everywhere, we might not know until the end of the deadline which teams have open roster spots.

I'll be honest, I kind of think that Jon was kinda just spitballing, on that one. It would be incomprehensibly stupid from a financial perspective, there is just no way Tim Connelly would allow for that to happen.

I fully agree with your expectation.

[shrink]

I would not underrate that Gordon Hayward pickup, I think that is an insanely good deal for Oklahoma City. They cleared Dāvis Bertāns salary for Tre Mann (zero seconds) and received a starting caliber, efficient wing-player.

The thing to fear is a follow-up for a backup rebounding big. If they manage to scrape someone like Andre Drummond, they immediately become a serious problem, for Minnesota.

Drummond would be the ideal pickup for them. They'd finally have a guy who can go toe-to-toe with Jokic, Gobert and Embiid.

Drummond may have helped his case on Tuesday, looking better than expected starting against Gobert. I think the Thunder MUST be worried about the size of DEN and MIN. Still, for a team that has a ton of firsts, they have not made a big move into this year’s playoffs like they easily could.

[wolves_89]

I am not optimistic for another move, but we should keep an eye out for a 2:59 trade of Wendell Moore Jr.

Jon Krawcinski says that the owners aren’t factoring in Mike Conley’s bonus, and if it hits, they will gladly pay because we made the finals. Personally, I think that’s wasteful, when a little cash up front to move WMJ could keep us under the lux, regardless of whether Conley’s bonus hits.

The best landing spot for WMJ is a rebuilding team, where cap space won’t matter next year, and most importantly - has the roster space (and mechanism) to add him for cap space. With all of these tiny trades everywhere, we might not know until the end of the deadline which teams have open roster spots.

I don't see the Wolves attaching a 2nd to trade Moore, but if there was a team willing to take him into a trade exception for nothing I could see him getting moved.

[shrink]

I am not optimistic for another move, but we should keep an eye out for a 2:59 trade of Wendell Moore Jr.

Jon Krawcinski says that the owners aren’t factoring in Mike Conley’s bonus, and if it hits, they will gladly pay because we made the finals. Personally, I think that’s wasteful, when a little cash up front to move WMJ could keep us under the lux, regardless of whether Conley’s bonus hits.

The best landing spot for WMJ is a rebuilding team, where cap space won’t matter next year, and most importantly - has the roster space (and mechanism) to add him for cap space. With all of these tiny trades everywhere, we might not know until the end of the deadline which teams have open roster spots.

I don't see the Wolves attaching a 2nd to trade Moore, but if there was a team willing to take him into a trade exception for nothing I could see him getting moved.

I agree. I would be comfortable with up to $3 mil in cash. $3 mil would pay for this year and next of Moore’s contract, so a team without cap issues would get a free look. In addition, if a team really wanted a 2nd, they could probably buy one for $3 mil.

[NebWolvesFan]

I am not optimistic for another move, but we will need to keep an eye out for a 2:59 trade of Wendell Moore Jr.

Jon Krawcinski says that the owners aren’t factoring in Mike Conley’s bonus, and if it hits, they will gladly pay because we made the finals. Personally, I think that’s wasteful, when a little cash up front to move WMJ could keep us under the lux, regardless of whether Conley’s bonus hits.

The best landing spot for WMJ is a rebuilding team, where cap space won’t matter next year, and most importantly - has the roster space (and mechanism) to add him for cap space. With all of these tiny trades everywhere, we might not know until the end of the deadline which teams have open roster spots.

I'll be honest, I kind of think that Jon was kinda just spitballing, on that one. It would be incomprehensibly stupid from a financial perspective, there is just no way Tim Connelly would allow for that to happen.

I fully agree with your expectation.

The bonuses don't come in unless Minnesota makes the finals and the amount of money this organization will make with such a run would be insane. Just the added 8-10 home games would huge. Plus, the new owners are already making money by selling shares with a 2.1 billion evaluation. I think they would welcome paying that bonus.

Also, I do wonder if Conley can waive the bonus. I know trade kickers can be waived. Maybe if Conley does sign an extension, it can be moved to the new deal. Maybe he signs a two-year extension with the second year a team option with a 1.5 million guarantee.

[BlacJacMac]

I am not optimistic for another move, but we will need to keep an eye out for a 2:59 trade of Wendell Moore Jr.

Jon Krawcinski says that the owners aren’t factoring in Mike Conley’s bonus, and if it hits, they will gladly pay because we made the finals. Personally, I think that’s wasteful, when a little cash up front to move WMJ could keep us under the lux, regardless of whether Conley’s bonus hits.

The best landing spot for WMJ is a rebuilding team, where cap space won’t matter next year, and most importantly - has the roster space (and mechanism) to add him for cap space. With all of these tiny trades everywhere, we might not know until the end of the deadline which teams have open roster spots.

I'll be honest, I kind of think that Jon was kinda just spitballing, on that one. It would be incomprehensibly stupid from a financial perspective, there is just no way Tim Connelly would allow for that to happen.

I fully agree with your expectation.

The bonuses don't come in unless Minnesota makes the finals and the amount of money this organization will make with such a run would be insane. Just the added 8-10 home games would huge. Plus, the new owners are already making money by selling shares with a 2.1 billion evaluation. I think they would welcome paying that bonus.

Also, I do wonder if Conley can waive the bonus. I know trade kickers can be waived. Maybe if Conley does sign an extension, it can be moved to the new deal. Maybe he signs a two-year extension with the second year a team option with a 1.5 million guarantee.

I'm sure they don't care about the actual dollars to Conley if they make the finals. But why would they risk starting the clock on the repeater tax over WMJ?

[Domejandro]

I am not optimistic for another move, but we will need to keep an eye out for a 2:59 trade of Wendell Moore Jr.

Jon Krawcinski says that the owners aren’t factoring in Mike Conley’s bonus, and if it hits, they will gladly pay because we made the finals. Personally, I think that’s wasteful, when a little cash up front to move WMJ could keep us under the lux, regardless of whether Conley’s bonus hits.

The best landing spot for WMJ is a rebuilding team, where cap space won’t matter next year, and most importantly - has the roster space (and mechanism) to add him for cap space. With all of these tiny trades everywhere, we might not know until the end of the deadline which teams have open roster spots.

I'll be honest, I kind of think that Jon was kinda just spitballing, on that one. It would be incomprehensibly stupid from a financial perspective, there is just no way Tim Connelly would allow for that to happen.

I fully agree with your expectation.

The bonuses don't come in unless Minnesota makes the finals and the amount of money this organization will make with such a run would be insane. Just the added 8-10 home games would huge. Plus, the new owners are already making money by selling shares with a 2.1 billion evaluation. I think they would welcome paying that bonus.

Also, I do wonder if Conley can waive the bonus. I know trade kickers can be waived. Maybe if Conley does sign an extension, it can be moved to the new deal. Maybe he signs a two-year extension with the second year a team option with a 1.5 million guarantee.

Not pushing the Repeater Tax (we are talking mid-to-high eight figures, once it kicks in) off a year to retain Wendell Moore Jr. would be criminally negligent. Given Minnesota's salary situation, it is legitimately untenable, even with Playoff revenue. There is no serious reason for Minnesota to eat that kind of cost, it would be crazy. Much easier to eat the cost of being in the second apron for two straight seasons, rather than wasting one of them on this season.

If Minnesota was going into the Luxury-Tax, they would have likely been more aggressive during this Trade Deadline to go all-in.

[winforlose]

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[TimberKat]

Maybe Fournier gets a buyout and come to Wolves? I was hoping for a more impactful move than Morris trade but doesn't look like it's going to happen. All the GMs are out to lunch now.

[winforlose]

I am not optimistic for another move, but we should keep an eye out for a 2:59 trade of Wendell Moore Jr.

Jon Krawcinski says that the owners aren’t factoring in Mike Conley’s bonus, and if it hits, they will gladly pay because we made the finals. Personally, I think that’s wasteful, when a little cash up front to move WMJ could keep us under the lux, regardless of whether Conley’s bonus hits.

The best landing spot for WMJ is a rebuilding team, where cap space won’t matter next year, and most importantly - has the roster space (and mechanism) to add him for cap space. With all of these tiny trades everywhere, we might not know until the end of the deadline which teams have open roster spots.

I don't see the Wolves attaching a 2nd to trade Moore, but if there was a team willing to take him into a trade exception for nothing I could see him getting moved.

If we do attach a second, we probably use the cash we save to buy a different second to replace it.

[DaMplsKid]

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This trade makes no sense to me at all. Toronto already waved the white flag for the year and Dinwiddie is better the Schroder so not sure why the Nets make this move.