MIN - CLE
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:59 pm
OK, I know you guys might be exhausted with Mike Miller trades, but here's one from the Trade Boards that many posters think is a good deal for both teams. I like Mike Miller here, but he is a perfect fit in CLE, and this is an offer that's so financially lucrative, I'd grit my teeth and agree.
CLE GETS: Mike Miller + Mark Madsen + Brian Cardinal
MIN GETS: Wally Szcerbiak (exp) + Lance Allred (exp) + $3.57 mil TPE + 2009 CLE 1st
MIN OUT: Mike Miller $9,128,575 $9,880,957
MIN OUT: Mark Madsen $2,630,000 $2,840,000
MIN OUT: Brian Cardinal $6,300,000 $6,750,000
MIN IN: Wally Szczerbiak $13,775,000
MIN IN: Lance Allred $711,517
2008-09: MIN SAVES: $3,572,058
2009-10: MIN SAVES: $19,470,957
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TOTAL SAVINGS: $23,043,015
For me, the financial ramifications and the pick are too great to say ""no." This deal would complete our one year financial turn-around, removing every bad contract on the team, and leave us in 2009 with
Al Jefferson $12,000,000 $13,000,000 $14,000,000 $15,000,000
Ryan Gomes 4,017,500
Kevin Love $3,401,040
Randy Foye $3,575,761
Corey Brewer $2,916,120
Craig Smith $2,300,000
Sebastian Telfair $2,500,000 $2,700,000
Rodney Carney $2,539,936
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2009: $32.3 mil
+ 2009 picks
+ Rashad McCants ($3,644,595 qualifying offer)
1. The salary cap is $58.68, and we could be $20 mil under it. People worry that losing Mike Miller means FA's won't want to come just to play with Al Jefferson? What if we made TWO offers in 2009?
Here's a great link for the 2009 and 2010 Free Agents:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/stor ... ents-09-10
At a minimum, this deal gives us the 2009 cap space to make Bynum a max deal offer next Summer, and force the Lakers to match. It may be unlikely we get him, but I'm not going to completely ignore the possibility that Kobe will alienate Bynum over the next year. He didn't endear himself last season by publicly mocking Jerry Buss for refusing to trade Bynum to get Kobe some help.
2. This deal would give us the flexibility to make offers in the less-competitive 2009 free agency. We'd have enough cap space to beat out other teams offer of the MLE, or make a trade for straight cap space to a struggling team during the season. The worst case scenario, where we get no one, would land us with the same amount of cap space in the 2010 free agency anyway.
3. I like Mike. You like Mike. We all like Mike. But its hard to honestly say that with the development of this team, he's worth $23 mil which we'd save by making this trade.
4. Sure we get potentially a FIFTH pick in the 2009 draft, but I would hope we could use some of them with a team that wants to rebuild after missing the play-offs. I'm imagining an offer for a center where MIN says, "so how many 1sts do we need to throw in here?"
5. The Wolves get a usable $3.57 mil TPE this season, and the financial flexibility under the lux to use it in trade.
6. Part of the reason MIN fans like Mike Miller is that he wants to be here, and Wally seemed to like being here as well (though he and KG sometimes didn't see eye-to-eye). Allred's a young center on a min deal.
They say everyone has his price, and this much cap savings is mine. I like having the financial power to flex out muscles in 2009 if we see a player we want, or to be able to make a trade when other teams start to fail, and want to trade a big center for cap space. I don't dislike Wally. And I don't mind the added trade power a nice TPE and a 1st can provide. Yeah, Mike Miller is such a good fit in CLE that it might make them favorites to win the East, but I don't care. I think this package is more than what Mike Miller is worth, and I'd take this deal.
CLE GETS: Mike Miller + Mark Madsen + Brian Cardinal
MIN GETS: Wally Szcerbiak (exp) + Lance Allred (exp) + $3.57 mil TPE + 2009 CLE 1st
MIN OUT: Mike Miller $9,128,575 $9,880,957
MIN OUT: Mark Madsen $2,630,000 $2,840,000
MIN OUT: Brian Cardinal $6,300,000 $6,750,000
MIN IN: Wally Szczerbiak $13,775,000
MIN IN: Lance Allred $711,517
2008-09: MIN SAVES: $3,572,058
2009-10: MIN SAVES: $19,470,957
------------------------------------------------
TOTAL SAVINGS: $23,043,015
For me, the financial ramifications and the pick are too great to say ""no." This deal would complete our one year financial turn-around, removing every bad contract on the team, and leave us in 2009 with
Al Jefferson $12,000,000 $13,000,000 $14,000,000 $15,000,000
Ryan Gomes 4,017,500
Kevin Love $3,401,040
Randy Foye $3,575,761
Corey Brewer $2,916,120
Craig Smith $2,300,000
Sebastian Telfair $2,500,000 $2,700,000
Rodney Carney $2,539,936
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2009: $32.3 mil
+ 2009 picks
+ Rashad McCants ($3,644,595 qualifying offer)
1. The salary cap is $58.68, and we could be $20 mil under it. People worry that losing Mike Miller means FA's won't want to come just to play with Al Jefferson? What if we made TWO offers in 2009?
Here's a great link for the 2009 and 2010 Free Agents:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/stor ... ents-09-10
At a minimum, this deal gives us the 2009 cap space to make Bynum a max deal offer next Summer, and force the Lakers to match. It may be unlikely we get him, but I'm not going to completely ignore the possibility that Kobe will alienate Bynum over the next year. He didn't endear himself last season by publicly mocking Jerry Buss for refusing to trade Bynum to get Kobe some help.
2. This deal would give us the flexibility to make offers in the less-competitive 2009 free agency. We'd have enough cap space to beat out other teams offer of the MLE, or make a trade for straight cap space to a struggling team during the season. The worst case scenario, where we get no one, would land us with the same amount of cap space in the 2010 free agency anyway.
3. I like Mike. You like Mike. We all like Mike. But its hard to honestly say that with the development of this team, he's worth $23 mil which we'd save by making this trade.
4. Sure we get potentially a FIFTH pick in the 2009 draft, but I would hope we could use some of them with a team that wants to rebuild after missing the play-offs. I'm imagining an offer for a center where MIN says, "so how many 1sts do we need to throw in here?"
5. The Wolves get a usable $3.57 mil TPE this season, and the financial flexibility under the lux to use it in trade.
6. Part of the reason MIN fans like Mike Miller is that he wants to be here, and Wally seemed to like being here as well (though he and KG sometimes didn't see eye-to-eye). Allred's a young center on a min deal.
They say everyone has his price, and this much cap savings is mine. I like having the financial power to flex out muscles in 2009 if we see a player we want, or to be able to make a trade when other teams start to fail, and want to trade a big center for cap space. I don't dislike Wally. And I don't mind the added trade power a nice TPE and a 1st can provide. Yeah, Mike Miller is such a good fit in CLE that it might make them favorites to win the East, but I don't care. I think this package is more than what Mike Miller is worth, and I'd take this deal.