Ryan Gomes

john2jer · Post #1 » by **john2jer** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 5:45 pm

Pioneer Press wrote:Filling the gap: Forward Ryan Gomes has averaged 19.6 points in the five games since Jefferson went down. McHale said that's no coincidence.

"We need him to score more," he said. "When you take away Al's (23.1 points a game), someone's going to have to fill that void."

Last 5 games
19.6 pts
5.4 boards
2.0 assists
1.2 steals
12,000 hearts stolen

It's a shame we're so under-sized, I'd love to see that production playing exclusively at the 3.

Chance1117 · Post #2 » by **Chance1117** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 5:54 pm

Gomes is such a quiet player. He can drop 20 and no one really notices. He is still young and this is the 3 year he has averaged 12 ppg. The bad is FG% has dropped each year. He plays a little too soft at times.

Post #3 » by **revprodeji** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 6:25 pm

yea, high BBIQ but his aggression and focus can be lacking sometimes. If he could be consistent in those things he could be a decent starting 3 but he is most likely a bench 6th or 7th. I am impressed with his production.

big3_8_19_21 · Post #4 » by **big3_8_19_21** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 6:46 pm

hockeyman12c wrote:Gomes is such a quiet player. He can drop 20 and no one really notices. He is still young and this is the 3 year he has averaged 12 ppg. The bad is FG% has dropped each year. He plays a little too soft at times.

He's also upped his volume of 3pt shooting each of those years, which is probably the biggest reason when that has happened. Seeing as how he is connecting on 38.5% of his attempts from deep this year, that's not a bad thing, either.

Post #5 » by **revprodeji** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 7:03 pm

^^I am on my phone so I cant do this, but just compare his eFg for the last couple years. If his decline in overall FG % is due to more attempts of the 3, but his attempts of the 3 yield more value then his eFg will show that.

karch34 · Post #6 » by **karch34** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 7:12 pm

Gomes might actually be my favorite player on the team. I like his game a lot. It's not flashy and he does have moments of inconsistency but for the most part he's a smart and productive player. I like him better at the 3 though and whether he's a starter or 6/7th man I would hope he's hear long term.

deeney0 · Post #7 » by **deeney0** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 7:12 pm

2.5 3PA per FTA is absolutely awful, that's where he's at for the month. For the season, he's at 2.1. Call me old fashioned, but a player like Gomes should be under 1. Hard to say exactly who to compare Gomes to in this department - Granger (0.97), Jamison (0.67), even Al Harrington (1.68) and Rashard Lewis (1.9) are lower than Gomes, players who never met a 3PA they didn't like.

AQuintus · Post #8 » by **AQuintus** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 7:52 pm

James Posey:

238 3 point attempts
112 FT attempts

Obviously, Gomes isn't the same player that Posey is on the defensive end, but they have similar roles on offense.

deeney0 · Post #9 » by **deeney0** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 10:20 pm

They should have a similar role on offense, but it seems to me that in actuality Gomes touches the ball more the Posey

southern wolf · Post #10 » by **southern wolf** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:30 am

He's done incredibly well for himself considering he was drafted at pick 50, and he started his career playing behind Paul Pierce. I hope he stays long-term.

funkatron101 · Post #11 » by **funkatron101** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 3:15 pm

I've always liked Gomes. He's a great ambassador for the league and is becoming a great role player.

Post #12 » by **revprodeji** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 3:46 pm

I am not worried about the FTa/3PtA because his threes come off the natural flow of offense. I never think he is forcing the 3. If it is there, take it.

deeney0 · Post #13 » by **deeney0** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 3:56 pm

I'm worried about the whole team's lack of getting to the line.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #14 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 4:23 pm

thing about Gomes is he can use his quickness advantage at PF, but not his size (girth) advantage at SF. He's not very physical. So what you get is an offensive advantage/defensive disadvantage when he's at PF because he can use his quicks on offense, but doesn't have enough physicality on defense, then at SF he's got enough quicks to defend his man ok at SF, but doesn't have enough to do a lot of damage on offense or enough physicality to punish his man.

So you're stuck with either spot up shooter/passable defender playing SF or more versatile offensive player/bad defender at PF.

Maybe he just needs to go full-bore SF mode and lose 20 more lbs and hopefully get quick enough to beat SFs off the dribble and maybe it will bring him closer to a lockdown defender. Probably too much to ask.

mayorhoiberg · Post #15 » by **mayorhoiberg** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 4:35 pm

Devilzsidewalk wrote:thing about Gomes is he can use his quickness advantage at PF, but not his size (girth) advantage at SF. He's not very physical. So what you get is an offensive advantage/defensive disadvantage when he's at PF because he can use his quicks on offense, but doesn't have enough physicality on defense, then at SF he's got enough quicks to defend his man ok at SF, but doesn't have enough to do a lot of damage on offense or enough physicality to punish his man.

So you're stuck with either spot up shooter/passable defender playing SF or more versatile offensive player/bad defender at PF.

Maybe he just needs to go full-bore SF mode and lose 20 more lbs and hopefully get quick enough to beat SFs off the dribble and maybe it will bring him closer to a lockdown defender. Probably too much to ask.

This is pretty much spot-on. Gomes' perimeter defense is tops on our team. His offensive arsenal is shifting more towards that of a SF, and if he can start to take guys off the dribble, he'll be dangerous. 20ppg on a bad team isn't OUTSTANDING, but Gomes' play with Al out is impressive. I've never thought this before, but between the way he's been canning 3's, his excellent defense on volume scorers like Kobe (has anyone else noticed how Gomes has just LOCKED him down the last few times we've played the Lakers?), and his emergence with Big Al out, I'm feeling comfortable with Gomes as a starting 3 if he can keep this up.

mayorhoiberg · Post #16 » by **mayorhoiberg** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 4:41 pm

revprodeji wrote:^^I am on my phone so I cant do this, but just compare his eFg for the last couple years. If his decline in overall FG % is due to more attempts of the 3, but his attempts of the 3 yield more value then his eFg will show that.

His eFG this year is a career high .501%.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #17 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 4:53 pm

mayorhoiberg wrote:
Devilzsidewalk wrote:thing about Gomes is he can use his quickness advantage at PF, but not his size (girth) advantage at SF. He's not very physical. So what you get is an offensive advantage/defensive disadvantage when he's at PF because he can use his quicks on offense, but doesn't have enough physicality on defense, then at SF he's got enough quicks to defend his man ok at SF, but doesn't have enough to do a lot of damage on offense or enough physicality to punish his man.

So you're stuck with either spot up shooter/passable defender playing SF or more versatile offensive player/bad defender at PF.

Maybe he just needs to go full-bore SF mode and lose 20 more lbs and hopefully get quick enough to beat SFs off the dribble and maybe it will bring him closer to a lockdown defender. Probably too much to ask.

This is pretty much spot-on. Gomes' perimeter defense is tops on our team. His offensive arsenal is shifting more towards that of a SF, and if he can start to take guys off the dribble, he'll be dangerous. 20ppg on a bad team isn't OUTSTANDING, but Gomes' play with Al out is impressive. I've never thought this before, but between the way he's been canning 3's, his excellent defense on volume scorers like Kobe (has anyone else noticed how Gomes has just LOCKED him down the last few times we've played the Lakers?), and his emergence with Big Al out, I'm feeling comfortable with Gomes as a starting 3 if he can keep this up.

yea I think all his strengths and weaknesses point to him being a SF these days; good spot up shooter, solid perimeter defender, surprisingly awesome in the open court, he's pretty much automatic finishing on a break. But for his weight, he's not very effective backing guys down or rebounding.

In other words, it seems he's carrying unnecessary weight, it doesn't really help his game being 240+. I'm not a body composition expert, but I would think if it was possible for him to get down another 10 or 20 lbs, that he could be lighter on his feet and that would accentuate his strengths a lot more.

Krapinsky · Post #18 » by **Krapinsky** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 4:58 pm

I got to disagree on the solid perimeter defender part. That's the only part of his game I don't like, well that and the fact that he doesn't get to the free throw line.

Gomes is sort of starting to remind me 'Toine a little bit, only a little more composed, and little less aggressive offensively.

mayorhoiberg · Post #19 » by **mayorhoiberg** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 5:07 pm

Dr.Krapinsky wrote:I got to disagree on the solid perimeter defender part. That's the only part of his game I don't like, well that and the fact that he doesn't get to the free throw line.

Gomes is sort of starting to remind me 'Toine a little bit, only a little more composed, and little less aggressive offensively.

Obviously this is only one possession, but man, he plays Kobe well in this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd3WIp6j--Q

dunkonu21 · Post #20 » by **dunkonu21** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 6:16 pm

Robert Horry?