Summer Cap Space Numbers

[Devilzsidewalk]

Nah uh. Prove it.

violet palmer

[Worm Guts]

I didn't realize that. In other words that means we couldn't use the MLE for the entire cap year even if later moves brought us to the cap?

Then I think perhaps it is bleak and I think Kahn may have messed up by not using our expiring contracts when we had a chance. That's a lot less flexibility than I thought.

An Al Jefferson trade might be mandatory then. His impact does not justify him taking 1/4 of our available cap space. IMO, that's a negative contract for a team currently faced with the limitation of the salary cap. Without the ability to sign a free agent at least as good as Gay, in my opinion, pretty much means we would need a rookie to have a Brandon Roy like impact next year or the year after. That seems highly unlikely, with the exception of Wall or Tuner (40% chance). And if that's the case I don't see enough talent on the roster to get us into the playoffs in the next two years.

I think it's more likely that Kahn knows something that shrink doesn't than vice versa, so I'm gonna assume Kahn knows what he's talking about when he says we'll have 12-14 million in cap space. I also think Kahn has had a specific number in mind with his moves last summer through now. Maybe I'm wrong and Kahn is an idiot, we'll have to see how this plays out.

[Krapinsky]

I didn't realize that. In other words that means we couldn't use the MLE for the entire cap year even if later moves brought us to the cap?

Then I think perhaps it is bleak and I think Kahn may have messed up by not using our expiring contracts when we had a chance. That's a lot less flexibility than I thought.

An Al Jefferson trade might be mandatory then. His impact does not justify him taking 1/4 of our available cap space. IMO, that's a negative contract for a team currently faced with the limitation of the salary cap. Without the ability to sign a free agent at least as good as Gay, in my opinion, pretty much means we would need a rookie to have a Brandon Roy like impact next year or the year after. That seems highly unlikely, with the exception of Wall or Tuner (40% chance). And if that's the case I don't see enough talent on the roster to get us into the playoffs in the next two years.

I think it's more likely that Kahn knows something that shrink doesn't than vice versa, so I'm gonna assume Kahn knows what he's talking about when he says we'll have 12-14 million in cap space. I also think Kahn has had a specific number in mind with his moves last summer through now. Maybe I'm wrong and Kahn is an idiot, we'll have to see how this plays out.

You're probably right. Thanks for talking me of the ledge.

[C.lupus]

Kahn seems to think we'll have 12-13 million. I don't doubt your numbers shrink, I'm just curious where the discrepency is.

Maybe he's planning on trading the CHA and Utah picks???? That would bring it to around $13m.

[shrink]

Kahn seems to think we'll have 12-13 million. I don't doubt your numbers shrink, I'm just curious where the discrepency is.

Maybe he's planning on trading the CHA and Utah picks???? That would bring it to around $13m.

Excellent theory C.lupus. One of the most important points in a discussion here is that a pick, then "rights to a player" carries no salary-matching weight whatsoever. It only carries matching weight when it becomes a player. In other words, you can include a pick in a trade before they are drafted and become players, and it doesn't turn into a drag on your salary.

Just as an example - not a trade suggestion:

On June 28th, Jefferson ($12) + 2 picks ($0) for Granger ($10) fits.

On July 28th, Jefferson ($13) and the two PLAYERS signed with those picks ($3) does not fit with Granger ($11.2)

IND would be taking on too much salary, violating the 125% + $100,000 max rule

[shrink]

you mean that team that plays in a financially rigged league?

As opposed to a league with a rigged lottery system and referees that fix games?

for the record there was only one ref that fixes game, the rest are just wildly incompetent

Stuff like this is what makes me keep coming back to this board. Great stuff.

[shrink]

I think it's more likely that Kahn knows something that shrink doesn't than vice versa, so I'm gonna assume Kahn knows what he's talking about when he says we'll have 12-14 million in cap space. I also think Kahn has had a specific number in mind with his moves last summer through now. Maybe I'm wrong and Kahn is an idiot, we'll have to see how this plays out.

Is you'ze saying im dum?

Seriously though, its a bit odd. Whenever Kahn has given his cap estimates in interviews all season, theyve always been higher than we projected. you have to figure that even if he's not an expert himself, he's got his own shrinks on staff feeding him the real numbers, so I agree that there must be something going on that isn't apparent.

[shrink]

Kahn seems to think we'll have 12-13 million. I don't doubt your numbers shrink, I'm just curious where the discrepency is.

Maybe he's planning on trading the CHA and Utah picks???? That would bring it to around $13m.

Two other trade commodities besides picks that move salary without having to be matched:

Pekovic and Rubio

I didn't include Pek's potential salary in the numbers, but I'd be disappointed to see either traded.

[casey]

It looks like there are about 6 teams that might have TPEs large enough to possibly take on Gomes prior to 6/30 (CHA, Den, LAC, Utah, Orl, NOH). [b]Does the 25%+100K rule apply for matching salaries to TPEs?[/b{

Nope

[Worm Guts]

Kahn seems to think we'll have 12-13 million. I don't doubt your numbers shrink, I'm just curious where the discrepency is.

Maybe he's planning on trading the CHA and Utah picks???? That would bring it to around $13m.

Two other trade commodities besides picks that move salary without having to be matched:

Pekovic and Rubio

I didn't include Pek's potential salary in the numbers, but I'd be disappointed to see either traded.

Pek could also stay in Europe another year without affecting the salary cap. His contract for Panth has another year I think.

[shrink]

It looks like there are about 6 teams that might have TPEs large enough to possibly take on Gomes prior to 6/30 (CHA, Den, LAC, Utah, Orl, NOH). [b]Does the 25%+100K rule apply for matching salaries to TPEs?[/b{

Nope

Good point Biff.

Casey's right: TPE rules is 100% + $100,000. Since Gomes is paid $3,892,500 this season so a team would have to have a TPE worth $3,792,500. That would mean UTA, ORL, and NOH, and all three would be over the lux.

This summer, when Gomes is 4.26, UTA and ORL would be able to add him, as well as any team far enough under the cap to absorb his salary.

[Worm Guts]

I think it's more likely that Kahn knows something that shrink doesn't than vice versa, so I'm gonna assume Kahn knows what he's talking about when he says we'll have 12-14 million in cap space. I also think Kahn has had a specific number in mind with his moves last summer through now. Maybe I'm wrong and Kahn is an idiot, we'll have to see how this plays out.

Is you'ze saying im dum?

Seriously though, its a bit odd. Whenever Kahn has given his cap estimates in interviews all season, theyve always been higher than we projected. you have to figure that even if he's not an expert himself, he's got his own shrinks on staff feeding him the real numbers, so I agree that there must be something going on that isn't apparent.

I've been thinking that maybe he's projecting a higher cap than you, but yeah, I'd expect Kahn would not only know the salary pretty well himself but that he'd also have others helping him out. Unlike McHale or alot of other GM's, Kahn is an administrator. Stuff like the salary cap should be his strength.

[Biff Cooper]

It looks like there are about 6 teams that might have TPEs large enough to possibly take on Gomes prior to 6/30 (CHA, Den, LAC, Utah, Orl, NOH). [b]Does the 25%+100K rule apply for matching salaries to TPEs?[/b{

Nope

Probably not 6 teams then. Utah, Orl, and NOH for sure. Is it legal to combine multiple TPEs? Then Den and LAC could be included.

[shrink]

Can't combine TPE's.

I edited in the previous post. This summer, TPE's of UTA and ORL could be used, as well as any team with raw cap space.

I'm doubtful we'd see a trade like that, but you're sharp to see the back door mechanically.

[casey]

I'm doubtful we'd see a trade like that, but you're sharp to see the back door mechanically.

There's a sexually explicit joke in there somewhere.

[gensu3k1]

I think that while signing a max free agent would obviously be awesome (LeBron! ZOMG LOL), having only 10m in cap room isn't exactly a bad situation.

I wonder how much we'd have to offer Morrow to have GSW not match it. 4 yrs, 28m?

If the Wolves came out of this offseason with Pekovic, good draft picks and Morrow, I'd be more than satisfied.

[Narf]

I think the number you got wrong Shrink is 54 million. I'm hearing it's going to be closer to 57 mil. I thought for sure we'd trade Gomes, but I guess not.

[Krapinsky]

ZOMG at offering Morrow 4 yrs 28 million!!!!

[shangrila]

ZOMG at offering Morrow 4 yrs 28 million!!!!

Well, Marvin Williams was "worth" 11 million a year...

[Breakdown777]

ZOMG at offering Morrow 4 yrs 28 million!!!!

Well, Marvin Williams was "worth" 11 million a year...

He was worth 11 mil. a year before the cap numbers were projected to drop drastically, and before the nba economy totally tanked, AND the hawks overpaid to keep him.

I see Morrow signing to a team for somewhere around 2 years for 8-10 mil. I see most middle of the pack to roster filler talents signing short deals in the hopes that the cap number will increase soon and they'll be able to sign a better contract in just a few years.