Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason
Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2023 2:43 pm
If Ben can even get to 75% of what he once was we'll have an interesting and fun team
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Papi_swav wrote:If Ben can even get to 75% of what he once was we'll have an interesting and fun team
Keith Van Horn wrote:Been away for a minute with work related stuff... But coming back around these parts more lately now
What's the latest with a possible Herro trade? I was starting to warm up to the idea of him being thrown into our starting 5, granted it would only cost us something like a 1st + Royce... is that still a possibility?
I think a lineup of
Simmon
Herro
Bridges
Johnson
Claxton
Could run around the East a bit and cause some waves. I don't ultimately think it would put us anything above a 5 seed, though. We are still in need of that dominant elite piece. Maybe make a move for Embiid at some point, or Luka next year. Far fetched probably.
Netaman wrote:Keith Van Horn wrote:Been away for a minute with work related stuff... But coming back around these parts more lately now
What's the latest with a possible Herro trade? I was starting to warm up to the idea of him being thrown into our starting 5, granted it would only cost us something like a 1st + Royce... is that still a possibility?
I think a lineup of
Simmon
Herro
Bridges
Johnson
Claxton
Could run around the East a bit and cause some waves. I don't ultimately think it would put us anything above a 5 seed, though. We are still in need of that dominant elite piece. Maybe make a move for Embiid at some point, or Luka next year. Far fetched probably.
seems like only a matter of time before portland and miami find a deal that works, then we see if nets are in fact the 3rd team. i agree the team above would be a lot of fun if simmons is healthy.
Keith Van Horn wrote:
I kinda think that a Simmons and Herro backcourt would really accentuate Bridges' star potential... as long as Simmons is healthy/mentally right, and we actually trade for Herro
Keith Van Horn wrote:Netaman wrote:Keith Van Horn wrote:Been away for a minute with work related stuff... But coming back around these parts more lately now
What's the latest with a possible Herro trade? I was starting to warm up to the idea of him being thrown into our starting 5, granted it would only cost us something like a 1st + Royce... is that still a possibility?
I think a lineup of
Simmon
Herro
Bridges
Johnson
Claxton
Could run around the East a bit and cause some waves. I don't ultimately think it would put us anything above a 5 seed, though. We are still in need of that dominant elite piece. Maybe make a move for Embiid at some point, or Luka next year. Far fetched probably.
seems like only a matter of time before portland and miami find a deal that works, then we see if nets are in fact the 3rd team. i agree the team above would be a lot of fun if simmons is healthy.
I kinda think that a Simmons and Herro backcourt would really accentuate Bridges' star potential... as long as Simmons is healthy/mentally right, and we actually trade for Herro
Netaman wrote:Keith Van Horn wrote:Netaman wrote:
seems like only a matter of time before portland and miami find a deal that works, then we see if nets are in fact the 3rd team. i agree the team above would be a lot of fun if simmons is healthy.
I kinda think that a Simmons and Herro backcourt would really accentuate Bridges' star potential... as long as Simmons is healthy/mentally right, and we actually trade for Herro
the 3 of them are a really good fit together. bridges and herro can handle the ball, create, and space the floor, ben can guard bigger so herro can guard point guards and facilitate. that's an interesting trio offensively and bringing dinwiddie off bench as 6th man is kind of a perfect role for him. he can also guard bigger if he's playing with herro.
Keith Van Horn wrote:
But what nets us Herro?
Royce and a 2025 Phx 1st? (and we'd have to use one of our TEs, right?) I think I do that.
Tha King wrote:I really wonder how much of an upgrade Herro would be over Cam Thomas in his third season? Is that upgrade commensurate a high variance future draft pick? I actually think you can make an argument that Thomas has already shown a better all around scoring skillset than Herro. Now Herro does more but if you have to go into the Suns draft pick bag (plus key contributors) to get Herro, not sure I see the value.
ecuhus1981 wrote:Tha King wrote:I really wonder how much of an upgrade Herro would be over Cam Thomas in his third season? Is that upgrade commensurate a high variance future draft pick? I actually think you can make an argument that Thomas has already shown a better all around scoring skillset than Herro. Now Herro does more but if you have to go into the Suns draft pick bag (plus key contributors) to get Herro, not sure I see the value.
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I'm not the biggest Thomas fan, but when you're taking about his like Poole, Simons and Herro, I think there's a very good chance Cam T becomes just as good as those guys. They're all pretty horrible defenders and electric scorers, I'd rather give minutes to the cheapest, youngest one that we already have.
Netaman wrote:Cam Thomas turning into anything close to Herro is a stretch for me. He's been worse at basically everything as a pro and despite obvious scoring skill couldn't get his way into the lineup at the end of the year when they obviously needed more scoring.
Herro on the other hand since his rookie year has not just found roles, but done so on winning teams and produced in the playoffs.
Let's see Cam find a way to carve out a regular role in regular season before comparing him in any way/shape/form to Herro. The talent is there but he's Marshon Brooks until he proves otherwise.
I would assume if there's a Herro to Nets deal, it's with Royce and DFS getting traded, maybe one of the Miami since either would be helpful role players there on a team looking to contend.
Everything depends on the Lillard/Miami talks, which are mostly unknown other than that we know they are happening.
vincecarter4pres wrote:Netaman wrote:Cam Thomas turning into anything close to Herro is a stretch for me. He's been worse at basically everything as a pro and despite obvious scoring skill couldn't get his way into the lineup at the end of the year when they obviously needed more scoring.
Herro on the other hand since his rookie year has not just found roles, but done so on winning teams and produced in the playoffs.
Let's see Cam find a way to carve out a regular role in regular season before comparing him in any way/shape/form to Herro. The talent is there but he's Marshon Brooks until he proves otherwise.
I would assume if there's a Herro to Nets deal, it's with Royce and DFS getting traded, maybe one of the Miami since either would be helpful role players there on a team looking to contend.
Everything depends on the Lillard/Miami talks, which are mostly unknown other than that we know they are happening.
Yeah, the disrespect for Herro is wild haha.
Netaman wrote:Cam Thomas turning into anything close to Herro is a stretch for me. He's been worse at basically everything as a pro and despite obvious scoring skill couldn't get his way into the lineup at the end of the year when they obviously needed more scoring.
Herro on the other hand since his rookie year has not just found roles, but done so on winning teams and produced in the playoffs.
Let's see Cam find a way to carve out a regular role in regular season before comparing him in any way/shape/form to Herro. The talent is there but he's Marshon Brooks until he proves otherwise.
I would assume if there's a Herro to Nets deal, it's with Royce and DFS getting traded, maybe one of the Miami since either would be helpful role players there on a team looking to contend.
Everything depends on the Lillard/Miami talks, which are mostly unknown other than that we know they are happening.
Tha King wrote:Netaman wrote:Cam Thomas turning into anything close to Herro is a stretch for me. He's been worse at basically everything as a pro and despite obvious scoring skill couldn't get his way into the lineup at the end of the year when they obviously needed more scoring.
Herro on the other hand since his rookie year has not just found roles, but done so on winning teams and produced in the playoffs.
Let's see Cam find a way to carve out a regular role in regular season before comparing him in any way/shape/form to Herro. The talent is there but he's Marshon Brooks until he proves otherwise.
I would assume if there's a Herro to Nets deal, it's with Royce and DFS getting traded, maybe one of the Miami since either would be helpful role players there on a team looking to contend.
Everything depends on the Lillard/Miami talks, which are mostly unknown other than that we know they are happening.
Herro found a role as a bench scorer on a defensive team that needed his offensive skillset. Thomas was drafted into a superteam with offensive stars and still had moments when given the opportunity. The situations they were drafted into has to be considered.
Herro first two seasons on/off and per 36 ppg:
Year 1: -8.4 ; 17.7ppg
Year 2: -5.3 ; 17.9ppg
Cam Thomas:
Year 1: -10.9 ; 17.4ppg
Year 2: -3.3 ; 22.9ppg
Both net negatives because they don't give you much beyond scoring but Herro was in an ideal situation where he could play minutes and get his inefficient points without any defense because he had elite defense and playmakers around him.
Hopefully this doesn't get misconstrued as hyping Cam Thomas. It's just I don't think there's a ton of value in the Cam Thomas/Herro archetype of guard which factors in what I think Brooklyn should trade for Herro and the point where developing Cam Thomas makes more sense.
Tha King wrote:Netaman wrote:Cam Thomas turning into anything close to Herro is a stretch for me. He's been worse at basically everything as a pro and despite obvious scoring skill couldn't get his way into the lineup at the end of the year when they obviously needed more scoring.
Herro on the other hand since his rookie year has not just found roles, but done so on winning teams and produced in the playoffs.
Let's see Cam find a way to carve out a regular role in regular season before comparing him in any way/shape/form to Herro. The talent is there but he's Marshon Brooks until he proves otherwise.
I would assume if there's a Herro to Nets deal, it's with Royce and DFS getting traded, maybe one of the Miami since either would be helpful role players there on a team looking to contend.
Everything depends on the Lillard/Miami talks, which are mostly unknown other than that we know they are happening.
Herro found a role as a bench scorer on a defensive team that needed his offensive skillset. Thomas was drafted into a superteam with offensive stars and still had moments when given the opportunity. The situations they were drafted into has to be considered.
Herro first two seasons on/off and per 36 ppg:
Year 1: -8.4 ; 17.7ppg
Year 2: -5.3 ; 17.9ppg
Cam Thomas:
Year 1: -10.9 ; 17.4ppg
Year 2: -3.3 ; 22.9ppg
Both net negatives because they don't give you much beyond scoring but Herro was in an ideal situation where he could play minutes and get his inefficient points without any defense because he had elite defense and playmakers around him.
Hopefully this doesn't get misconstrued as hyping Cam Thomas. It's just I don't think there's a ton of value in the Cam Thomas/Herro archetype of guard which factors in what I think Brooklyn should trade for Herro and the point where developing Cam Thomas makes more sense.