vincecarter4pres wrote:Netaman wrote:vincecarter4pres wrote:I think given the current Vegas win totals, they’re fully expecting the Nets to make some kind of improvement trade by the deadline. That is probably our most likely path to saving grace. Maybe a blockbuster, maybe a midrange move on the cheap for a position of weakness.
But I’m expecting 32-40 wins and a pick in the 7-12 range shipped to Houston, barring significant games missed to injury, or a lottery jump from further back.
Although Marks did good in the Kyrie trade and excellent in the KD deal, he went equally opposite polar in the Houston trade.
Crippling trade and it’s not only in hindsight when he’s the guy speaking to the players, their agents, the coaching staff, friends and family of, etc., leading up to the eventual breakup.
He got absolutely bent over a barrel in the Harden trade.
7-12 is a reasonable range if nothing changes. or if they just sell at the deadline because there isnt an adding move to make.
im surprised they didnt do more this summer to be honest. i dont mind it or think they did anything wrong, nobody got moved i can think of that i think they should have been more aggressive on except maybe dame, but i get why they chose not to do that.
i hadnt thought of it, but slotting the nets into the return the bucks gave up is pretty simple. they could easily match the 1 FRP and swaps so it's just valuing Jrue.
dinwiddie and dfs = jrue in terms of $. maybe they need 1 extra FRP to make up the difference with 2 years of jrue? id have pushed for that to be the philly pick but more likely they probably want another unprotected pick but even still they'd have 3 FRP's from other teams to deal with at least 2 of the unprotected (prob Dallas, 1 Pho, Philly). On top of their own.
Lillard / DSJ
Simmons / Walker / Whitehead
Bridges / Royce / Wilson
Cam J / Bazley / Clowney
Claxton / Sharpe / Watford / Giles
that team would have been top 4 in the east with assets left to trade. pretty sure id have pulled the trigger.
I agree, also see why they didn’t get involved. And agree with your logic on paper of what we have to give up to be in it and come out winners, but then you start a bidding war. Who says then Milwaukee doesn’t add a swap and turn a swap into an outright protected pick? Whose to say no one around the league rates Dinwiddie or DFS as anything other then a protected, but likely later pick as a package, instead of one frp each with light to no protections?
And it doesn’t change the fact Dame is old, and Giannis is will be getting there too by the time he hits free agency.
So then it becomes, do you give up this complete control of 4 Phoenix drafts in a row and a Dallas draft, maybe the Philly pick too, just to have a 3 year run at mediocrity, at the sake of chasing bad money and not shipping Houston a likely lotto pick, while giving up the chance at a prime star like Mitchell, Doncic, Ja or maybe Trae? Or someone else no one is expecting to be available?
That’s really it right?
Like the bitching about Marks gifting Houston so much in the Harden deal… it’s valid and impacts things, but what’s done is done.
So now you have to look at it like, do you burn up the high value Suns and Mavs picks and all depth to be a 1st to 2nd round exit for a few years and wind up missing out on other opportunity and a choose your adventure of direction you can go?
Or do you remain patient, see how the current roster responds, survey the NBA landscape league-wide this season, read the tea leaves and act accordingly, and say the ‘24 BK pick is the cost of doing business even if it winds up literally 1st overall?
They seemed to have chosen the latter and Idk I’d argue against that logic at this point.
for me it would have just come down to value. as long as 2 unprotected FRP's trumped the Milwaukee offer, im in. If Milwaukee bid more I'm probably out. but if im nets and i have all my picks from 2028 on plus 2 more unprotected, and then i also have lillard/cj/bridges under contract through 2027, which is the last year houston is owed anything, im feeling pretty decent. There's a 4 year window to be one of the better teams in the East plus assets to go truly all in for 1 more big piece next summer if simmons is a bust - right when his contract will be a prime expiring.
if things went south at some point between now and 2027 you can cash players in and trade them and get more picks back, and it's not impossible you can get back better picks than you give up because who knows what the other team's picks you trade end up worth? so much changes so quickly it's impossible to predict. lillard's value is tough to predict if he gets hurt or regresses but bridges value will still be prime because his contract is such a steal. in 2027/2028 bridges is 31/32. i would kind of bet against him being good enough to get another max. middleton has always been my hopeful comp for him and we are seeing that with middleton now at 32 (and the last several years). athleticism dependent wings generally start slowing down and getting dinged at that age.
the twins + simmons are 27 now so their window's are now. so i guess the question is do you believe in that group enough to maximize their window with dame?
or do you hedge, keep futures, and make it easier to go the full rebuild cashing in those guys before they hit 30 in a year or two?
we know what they chose and i think most teams in their position would have gone the other way (assuming back to my first sentence the value wasn't too far off what im suggesting, bc it's possible it could have taken more picks than i think).
