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[jp007]

can we trade Amare to a team that has not use the amnesty like LAL its looking like Dh12 will be out can we get under the cap and sign and trade for howard then send ,pick the 24 for the lakers. if amare is not healthy for them they could always use the amnesty clause on him, Paul will come off the book and they will be able to make a run at lebron in 2014?

No, they can't

The player had to be on your team before the new CBA

hmm i see thanks

[knickabocker88]

How Much Salary would we have to shed to have be a contestant in the decision part 2 next season?

I know we're in the green for 2015, 2014 is looking like the year where the big fish will be in the market.

[spaceballer]

How Much Salary would we have to shed to have be a contestant in the decision part 2 next season?

I know we're in the green for 2015, 2014 is looking like the year where the big fish will be in the market.

Forget about it. Knicks are not getting Lebron in in summer 2014.

The cap is calculated every year. This year it's going to be $58.5M, I think. To offer a free agent a contract beyond MLE and other available exceptions, you need to be below the cap. The size of the free agent contract you can offer is constrained by how much room you have under the cap.

Lebron's max is around $20M next summer. Assuming the cap stays around the same, the Knicks would need to be $20M below the cap. That's a huge amount of salary to shed to get to $40M.

Melo and Stat both will make a bit over $21M each assuming they don't opt out. That means just the two of them alone combines to add an additional $40M and would prevent the Knicks from going after Lebron in free agency. And that's before adding Tyson, Novak, Felton, etc.

The Knicks won't be signing any external free agent with more than the taxpayer MLE in summer 2014.

Here are the salaries: http://data.shamsports.com/content/page ... knicks.jsp

For 2014-2015, even if you take away Kidd and Camby's salaries, you're still at over $70M. You have to get to $40M to give Lebron a $20M contract if the cap is set around $60M. The figures don't account for whoever the Knicks sign with the $3M taxpayer MLE this summer, or whatever other salary they may pick up along the way in trade or whatnot. That means shedding somewhere between $30M and $40M salary.

You'll note that the listing for salary without options is already at almost $30M for that season. You need to remain at $40M salary in order to be $20M below an assumed $60M cap for Lebron's max. If Melo and Stat opt it, that's an additional $40M salary to bring the Knicks to $70M, which is 10M over the cap when you need to be $20M under the cap for Lebron.

Now, if Melo leaves (he's one of the potential free agents in summer 2014's Big Free Agency), then you still won't be able to replace him with Lebron if Amar'e opts in (which he will since he won't get another big payday with his broken body). Not to mention Lebron has no reason to come here with no Melo and only Amar'e.

[riter]

Question-
Can we use the minimle in a trade along with a player?
If not, what are the parameters of sending cash in a trade for a player?

Example 1
Pelicans want to rid themselves of Lopez. that's 5 mil. We can trade Felton straight up for them. that only saves them 1.5mill. is there anything we are allowed to do with cash or the 3.1 mmle to save them enough money?

Example 2
Pelicans get Tyson knicks get anderson, vasquez, lopez
but this saves the pelicans only 1.5mil

[spaceballer]

Question-
Can we use the minimle in a trade along with a player?
If not, what are the parameters of sending cash in a trade for a player?

Example 1
Pelicans want to rid themselves of Lopez. that's 5 mil. We can trade Felton straight up for them. that only saves them 1.5mill. is there anything we are allowed to do with cash or the 3.1 mmle to save them enough money?

Example 2
Pelicans get Tyson knicks get anderson, vasquez, lopez
but this saves the pelicans only 1.5mil

The non-taxpayer and taxpayer (mini) MLE can only be used to sign free agents. It cannot be used to accept a player in trade, nor even send out a player in a sign-and-trade.

You also cannot combine exceptions with cheaper player salaries to trade for a more expensive player.

The annual $3M cash allotment has nothing to do with salaries or cap space. The cash is independent and doesn't reduce or increase salaries or cap space. Think of the cash like future draft picks. You use them as incentives in trades, but they don't affect salary cap or player salaries.

Sending cash can save the other team money on their financial balance sheets and quarterly stockholder reports, but it won't give give them extra cap space, nor change the cap hit of a player's salary, nor allow you to take back more salary.

[riter]

Ok, so the only legit trade we can make for Lopez and still give the Pelicans some cap space is the one that
that J9Starks3 came up with

Chandler makes $14,100,538.00
Gordan and Lopez make $19,403,605.00

they get 5,303,067-1,400,000= 3,903,067 worth of cap space.
I'm not sure that will be enough. I don't know how much New Orleans needs to clear. but there must be a S&T with Barron's Min contract to make the numbers work.

or Chandler/Felton
Gordon/Lopez/Vasquez this saves them about 3.8mil

[Context]

Can you list in your original "JR" post what the max another team could offer JR pls?

JR will have 9 yrs of experience in the NBA. For players with 7-9 yrs of NBA experience, their max starting salary is at 30% of the cap. This would have been $16,402,500 for the 2012-2013 season, but it hasn't been set for the 2013-2014 season yet. You have to wait for the league to tally up income and set next year's cap first, in order to know what the 30% cap figure would be for his eligible starting max salary.

Also, since other teams don't hold his bird rights, they can only offer him up to 4 yrs, with a 4.5% yearly raise.

Even if he's a 6th man of the yr, I doubt he'll get a max contract of 4 yrs with probably over $17M per year, especially with teams being more luxury tax conscious and given some of the doubts from his playoff performance. And if he did, there's no way the Knicks can afford him, since that's way over the Early Bird Rights allowance.

Btw space, thxs...just saw this

[riter]

guess we're all out of ideas, good,bad, and ridiculous.

[MKCATL]

I've got a new rule for the CBA, all playoff teams get an amnesty.

[nyk4L7_21]

I've got a new rule for the CBA, all playoff teams get an amnesty.

With all the inevitable tanking that's going to be going on next year with Wiggins/Parker, and the following years with Towns Jr, Okafor, ect, that would be an excellent way to encourage competition and help teams that are stuck in that 8-12 seed with no hope for improvement.

[suicidedeuce]

I've got a new rule for the CBA, all playoff teams get an amnesty.

With all the inevitable tanking that's going to be going on next year with Wiggins/Parker, and the following years with Towns Jr, Okafor, ect, that would be an excellent way to encourage competition and help teams that are stuck in that 8-12 seed with no hope for improvement.

Well, that can't happen until the next CBA is written. And it's important to bear in mind the Amnesty was written more of a concession to the players than the owners. It was to allow freed up space so NORE players could be signed, without any contracted players losing any money.

Was NOT the owners pushing for it.

I doubt that owners as a group would ever advocate a mechanism that just raises payroll to the regular part of the system.

[nyk4L7_21]

I've got a new rule for the CBA, all playoff teams get an amnesty.

With all the inevitable tanking that's going to be going on next year with Wiggins/Parker, and the following years with Towns Jr, Okafor, ect, that would be an excellent way to encourage competition and help teams that are stuck in that 8-12 seed with no hope for improvement.

Well, that can't happen until the next CBA is written. And it's important to bear in mind the Amnesty was written more of a concession to the players than the owners. It was to allow freed up space so NORE players could be signed, without any contracted players losing any money.

Was NOT the owners pushing for it.

I doubt that owners as a group would ever advocate a mechanism that just raises payroll to the regular part of the system.

Oh yeah of course it wouldn't happen, as that's the opposite direction the league is trying to go in. Just hypothetically speaking.

[ORANGEandBLUE]

2 questions:

1. Can Melo sign a kobeMAX in 2014 with an opt-out after the first year?

2. What''s the biggest one-year contract Melo can sign in 2014?

[suicidedeuce]

2 questions:

1. Can Melo sign a kobeMAX in 2014 with an opt-out after the first year?

Yes. Technically (see next answer) But it can only be a 2 year deal. The value of this is limited because his cap hold remains on the knicks cap so long as the retain his Bird rights.

2. What''s the biggest one-year contract Melo can sign in 2014?[/quote]

Not relevant. He has a player option for $23,530,000 in 2014. He cannot decline that and sign for more that same year.

If you mean 2015 (for both questions), then it's $24,705,500 or 105% of this previous year's salary.

[ORANGEandBLUE]

Not relevant. He has a player option for $23,530,000 in 2014. He cannot decline that and sign for more that same year.

You mean he can't sign a larger one-year deal or he can't sign for more in general? Didn't JR decline his player option this summer and sign for more?

Assuming that in 2014 he signs a 2-year deal worth e.g. $24m per, with an opt-out in 2015, and then opts out and signs a deal starting at say, $18m, wouldn't his cap hit be $18m, as opposed to the cap hold from his prior 2-year deal?

[suicidedeuce]

You mean he can't sign a larger one-year deal or he can't sign for more in general?

He can't sign for more in general. Techincally, assuming a cap of $60m (whch is may not even be) the maximum league salary is 35% of the cap, so $21. But nother CBA rules override that, and you can exceed the max through raises over time and that any player can sign for 105% of his previous salary.

His absolute maximum is 105% of previous year's salary.

Assuming that in 2014 he signs a 2-year deal worth e.g. $24m per, with an opt-out in 2015, and then opts out and signs a deal starting at say, $18m, wouldn't his cap hit be $18m, as opposed to the cap hold from his prior 2-year deal?

Of course. He can opt to sign a new deal for less if he chooses, but your scenario is still somewhat redundant.

He already has a player option for 2014. He can just exercise that and then sign for $18m in 2015 anyway. The only positive you are proposing for opting out of his last year and signing the 2 year deal with another option is hedging against catastrophic injury. He'd have that 2015 option year in case he got injured badly in 2014.

[ORANGEandBLUE]

Well the idea would be to give him extra in 14-15 when it wouldn't affect cap space.

[suicidedeuce]

Well the idea would be to give him extra in 14-15 when it wouldn't affect cap space.

Ah. No, he can't get any more than he's already scheduled to make in 2014 if he exercises his option, since that salary is already over BOTH CBA calculations for maximum salary, due to the 7.5% annual raises.

So briefly, Melo's option year in 2014 is already absolute most he can make under CBA rules.

[suicidedeuce]

Let me add, there are few if any free rides in this CBA at this stage. I know it's fun to try to figure out how to gain a little advantage here and there, but the lawyers have done a pretty good job of removing even the small loopholes.

[ORANGEandBLUE]

Is there any chance that Lebron will sign a one-year contract in 2014?

I am vaguely aware of MJ signing several one-year contracts. Is there any reason to suppose Lebron would or wouldn't do the same thing? Was there some benefit that is no longer available in the new CBA?