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Capn'O wrote:They do still move on from their younger players but their execution has been excellent recently so it's not the indictment it once was. Plus, the guys they target tend to be on the younger side now. Randle/Brunson/OG were all 25/26 now, entering their prime. iHart was pretty young.

Chanel Bomber wrote:I think they likely would've kept those young players if they had panned out and become stars.

Also this. And guys like Mitch and Deuce... if they can play their roles we're not in a huge hurry to move them unless/until the right move comes along. This management group is starting to win my benefit of the doubt.


I think we make our picks this year. We need cheap talent and a good chance to start the process of building players up again even if we do ultimately move them.

Fat Kat wrote:I think we’ll keep one pick and try to trade the other for a future pick.

As per my usual, I’d like a long 3&D wing or SF/PF. Sort of an OG understudy/injury replacement. Who’ll be in our range?

mpharris36 wrote:

Fat Kat wrote:I think we’ll keep one pick and try to trade the other for a future pick.

As per my usual, I’d like a long 3&D wing or SF/PF. Sort of an OG understudy/injury replacement. Who’ll be in our range?

Ryan Dunn?

Chanel Bomber wrote:

cgmw wrote:We effectively traded Grimes and Obi for Bojan and Burks. RJ and IQ for OG and Precious.

The entire purpose of a drafted FRP to the Knicks is to maximize and continue to gauge trade value while getting use out of him as veteran support staff until the right deal comes along.

Personally I feel vindicated since I’ve been out here by myself for years telling anyone who’d listen in these ridiculous draft threads that they never wanted either draft picks or the guys they drafted.

And I’m telling you now, they don’t want any of their future picks either. Don’t get me wrong, they’ll happily draft a player to fit a rotation role but they’ll do everything they can to trade down, trade out, or trade away to get the veteran help they want whether that’s immediately or by biding their time like they did with RJ, Obi, IQ, and Grimes.

If I had a son drafted by the Knicks, my advice would be to work hard, focus on fitting the rigid support role they’re offering, and I’ll have your agent working overtime in the background to pump up your trade value while finding you a real home where you’ll get a real chance.

Conversely, if I’m a young veteran on another team who doesn’t feel like I’ve been given the proper chance, going to the Knicks via FA or trade is super attractive because you won’t have your spot threatened by anyone younger than you.

I think they likely would've kept those young players if they had panned out and become stars.

They did not, and so they reckoned it was advantageous to cash in on their value as trade chips (largely based on the uncertainty of their upside). I think it makes sense with Brunson propelling the Knicks into playoff contention. It's an important development because it provides a strong rationale for the moves (not saying that you're saying the moves weren't justified in this context). The new salary cap also plays a significant factor. It's more punitive, so the value of each young player must been seen through the lens of their contract extension.

From that group, only IQ showed real signs of progress, and his skill set was overlapping with Brunson to some extent - therefore filling less of a need. I think it's likely that the salary cap combined with the skill set overlap played a role in their calculations.

Mitch for instance stayed because he was impactful in his role as a starter. They developed him, extended him, and evidently didn't find a deal they thought would provide more value than he does. Will that change in the future? We'll see.

Unlike Mitch, both RJ and Grimes regressed as starters despite being given plenty of opportunities. That they're gone may be a consequence of that moreso than a broad intention to maximize the value of their young talent to then by default trade it away. That they highly valued Grimes in the Mitchell talks before his regression this year is an example of that. Obi never projected as a starter to begin with and appeared like a sunk cost - not really worth mentioning.

My point is I don't think you're wrong that they viewed the youth as assets. I would however say that it wasn't inevitable they got traded. I think their career trajectories played a significant role in this. Between the two who really panned out for us (Mitch and IQ), one has stayed, and the other was traded for a massive roster upgrade due to different considerations, including a non-negligible skill overlap with the franchise player.

cgmw wrote:We effectively traded Grimes and Obi for Bojan and Burks. RJ and IQ for OG and Precious.

The entire purpose of a drafted FRP to the Knicks is to maximize and continue to gauge trade value while getting use out of him as veteran support staff until the right deal comes along.

Personally I feel vindicated since I’ve been out here by myself for years telling anyone who’d listen in these ridiculous draft threads that they never wanted either draft picks or the guys they drafted.

And I’m telling you now, they don’t want any of their future picks either. Don’t get me wrong, they’ll happily draft a player to fit a rotation role but they’ll do everything they can to trade down, trade out, or trade away to get the veteran help they want whether that’s immediately or by biding their time like they did with RJ, Obi, IQ, and Grimes.

If I had a son drafted by the Knicks, my advice would be to work hard, focus on fitting the rigid support role they’re offering, and I’ll have your agent working overtime in the background to pump up your trade value while finding you a real home where you’ll get a real chance.

Conversely, if I’m a young veteran on another team who doesn’t feel like I’ve been given the proper chance, going to the Knicks via FA or trade is super attractive because you won’t have your spot threatened by anyone younger than you.

Fat Kat wrote:

mpharris36 wrote:

Fat Kat wrote:I think we’ll keep one pick and try to trade the other for a future pick.

As per my usual, I’d like a long 3&D wing or SF/PF. Sort of an OG understudy/injury replacement. Who’ll be in our range?

Ryan Dunn?

Wow. I like him

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Fat Kat wrote:

mpharris36 wrote:
Ryan Dunn?

Wow. I like him

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If ESPN has him in the lotto region, he's probably gone when NYK picks. Seems like a good fit though. Can back up SF and PF

Moose wrote:The Mavs added some pieces, making it more likely the pick converts this season.

Not sure what the Knicks would do with both picks.

Based on past history, I expect them to trade at least one, if not both picks for future assets or obviously if a win-now piece becomes available.

And of course, packaging the picks to move up is also possible.

At 6-foot-11 with a 7-foot-4 wingspan he possesses elite physical tools for a forward. The physically gifted prospect also has great mobility and is very explosive making him one of the best all-around athletes in this year’s draft. With the athletic and physical tools he’s gifted it helps him make a significant impact on both ends of the floor and it will allow him to keep up with all the other NBA players in the athletic department.

Chomche’s ceiling as a defender is extremely high. He’s a versatile defender that has the mobility and tools to defend smaller players out on the perimeter throughout short spurts of a possession. Having a big that can be somewhat switchable late in shot clocks is awesome to have and all 30 NBA teams would love to have that on their roster. As a shot-blocker he shows great timing, vertical pop and utilization of his length to alter a ton of shots inside the painted area.

Offensively there are still some noticeable holes in his game and some areas he needs to polish up but the flashes are really, really impressive. As a finisher he uses all 6-foot-11 of him to finish efficiently. He’s a legit lob threat due to his wide catch radius, explosiveness and impressive vertical pop. At his size he has impressive shooting ability on great volume from three. In the three games he played he attempted 21 3-pointers and converted on 38.1% of them.

The stretch big potential is evident and he has a chance to be the best shooting big in this draft that is 6-foot-11 or taller. What really makes him so enticing on the offensive end is the playmaking flashes he has shown in the half-court. He shows the ability to be a good perimeter decision-maker with some legit passing creativity. Chomche has really intriguing passing upside which could separate him from a ton of other big men in this year’s draft.

moocow007 wrote:This is an article on Ulrich Chomche. At 6'11" and 235lbs, Chomche actually has the type of explosiveness and athleticism for many scouts to peg him as a potential PF in the NBA. If he declares he is also projected to be the youngest player in this draft. Defense is his current high end skill but he also shot 38% from 3 on 7 3-point attempts per game in the NBA directed African league ball.

https://www.si.com/nba/draft/newsfeed/nba-draft-2024-the-mystery-of-ulrich-chomche

At 6-foot-11 with a 7-foot-4 wingspan he possesses elite physical tools for a forward. The physically gifted prospect also has great mobility and is very explosive making him one of the best all-around athletes in this year’s draft. With the athletic and physical tools he’s gifted it helps him make a significant impact on both ends of the floor and it will allow him to keep up with all the other NBA players in the athletic department.

Chomche’s ceiling as a defender is extremely high. He’s a versatile defender that has the mobility and tools to defend smaller players out on the perimeter throughout short spurts of a possession. Having a big that can be somewhat switchable late in shot clocks is awesome to have and all 30 NBA teams would love to have that on their roster. As a shot-blocker he shows great timing, vertical pop and utilization of his length to alter a ton of shots inside the painted area.

Offensively there are still some noticeable holes in his game and some areas he needs to polish up but the flashes are really, really impressive. As a finisher he uses all 6-foot-11 of him to finish efficiently. He’s a legit lob threat due to his wide catch radius, explosiveness and impressive vertical pop. At his size he has impressive shooting ability on great volume from three. In the three games he played he attempted 21 3-pointers and converted on 38.1% of them.

The stretch big potential is evident and he has a chance to be the best shooting big in this draft that is 6-foot-11 or taller. What really makes him so enticing on the offensive end is the playmaking flashes he has shown in the half-court. He shows the ability to be a good perimeter decision-maker with some legit passing creativity. Chomche has really intriguing passing upside which could separate him from a ton of other big men in this year’s draft.

Jalen Bluntson wrote:

moocow007 wrote:This is an article on Ulrich Chomche. At 6'11" and 235lbs, Chomche actually has the type of explosiveness and athleticism for many scouts to peg him as a potential PF in the NBA. If he declares he is also projected to be the youngest player in this draft. Defense is his current high end skill but he also shot 38% from 3 on 7 3-point attempts per game in the NBA directed African league ball.

https://www.si.com/nba/draft/newsfeed/nba-draft-2024-the-mystery-of-ulrich-chomche

At 6-foot-11 with a 7-foot-4 wingspan he possesses elite physical tools for a forward. The physically gifted prospect also has great mobility and is very explosive making him one of the best all-around athletes in this year’s draft. With the athletic and physical tools he’s gifted it helps him make a significant impact on both ends of the floor and it will allow him to keep up with all the other NBA players in the athletic department.

Chomche’s ceiling as a defender is extremely high. He’s a versatile defender that has the mobility and tools to defend smaller players out on the perimeter throughout short spurts of a possession. Having a big that can be somewhat switchable late in shot clocks is awesome to have and all 30 NBA teams would love to have that on their roster. As a shot-blocker he shows great timing, vertical pop and utilization of his length to alter a ton of shots inside the painted area.

Offensively there are still some noticeable holes in his game and some areas he needs to polish up but the flashes are really, really impressive. As a finisher he uses all 6-foot-11 of him to finish efficiently. He’s a legit lob threat due to his wide catch radius, explosiveness and impressive vertical pop. At his size he has impressive shooting ability on great volume from three. In the three games he played he attempted 21 3-pointers and converted on 38.1% of them.

The stretch big potential is evident and he has a chance to be the best shooting big in this draft that is 6-foot-11 or taller. What really makes him so enticing on the offensive end is the playmaking flashes he has shown in the half-court. He shows the ability to be a good perimeter decision-maker with some legit passing creativity. Chomche has really intriguing passing upside which could separate him from a ton of other big men in this year’s draft.

Just saw an highlight reel. Would love to get him.

WargamesX wrote:its crazy the knicks have two picks in this draft going past the deadline and based on everything I have seen from them I still don't think they draft anyone.