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Re: Randle having surgery 

Post#161 » by Wildcat » Thu Apr 4, 2024 6:33 pm

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No, he wouldn't have been back this season


ok then it is what it is...he obviously gave it all he had to make it back. Just **** situation.


It’s still a major f up because he could have been months into recovery by now and more time to ramp up for next season. Our medical staff is pretty sus these days


Fairly certain his (Randle's) people were consulting on this as well because of his potential extension. From the reports that I'm reading, if the pain was manageable and there wasn't a high risk of re-injury, he would have played. I think everyone collectively wanted the rehab to work.
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Re: Per WOJ - Randle having surgery 

Post#162 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Thu Apr 4, 2024 6:34 pm

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NoDopeOnSundays wrote:He shouldn't have been in the game, trust your bench. Add another one to the Thibodeau hit list.


You can't be this stupid.



Stupid is leaving a player in a game that's been decided, stupid is also defending that tactic.
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Re: Randle having surgery 

Post#163 » by FrozenEnvelope » Thu Apr 4, 2024 6:36 pm

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This is the nature of a Thibodeau team, there's too much "rub some dirt on it and give it a go" this has happened everywhere he's been. It isn't just the medical staff it's the coach and the FO in lock step applying pressure to have these guys out there.


You're acting like the FO is forcing Thibs to play guys who are clearly injured and unable to play. This has never ever happened. Thibs plays guys who are available to play and has even followed the minutes restrictions with guys coming back. Like always, you're making **** up to fit this narrative without any proof.


Lmao


It's like some of you never looked at the Bulls or Timberwolves injury history with him. You guys are embarrassing with your defense as though these same things haven't happened before.


Blaming Thibs for DRose getting hurt is so stupid and makes no sense. BTW Iguodala and Deng played more minutes in that game he got first hurt. Had nothing to do with minutes. Players don't increase their chances of getting hurt with more minutes played!
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Re: Per WOJ - Randle having surgery 

Post#164 » by FrozenEnvelope » Thu Apr 4, 2024 6:39 pm

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NoDopeOnSundays wrote:He shouldn't have been in the game, trust your bench. Add another one to the Thibodeau hit list.


You can't be this stupid.



Stupid is leaving a player in a game that's been decided, stupid is also defending that tactic.


Randle or Rose? A 15 point lead with 5 minutes left is not decided in today's NBA. And when Rose got hurt, Bulls were up 10-12 with a minute left if I remember correctly. You best be ready to complain about EVERY HC in the league cause nobody takes their guys out in a playoff game until the final buzzer unless it's a blowout. Again, you're making **** up to fit this narrative and you make no sense. Players get hurt cause they get hurt. Playing time and a coach has NOTHING to do with it! There is no magic amount of minutes to avoid injury!
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Re: Per WOJ - Randle having surgery 

Post#165 » by Wildcat » Thu Apr 4, 2024 6:42 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
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NoDopeOnSundays wrote:He shouldn't have been in the game, trust your bench. Add another one to the Thibodeau hit list.


You can't be this stupid.


Stupid is leaving a player in a game that's been decided, stupid is also defending that tactic.


Up 17 with 4:30 to go isn't decided. What if before that injury Miami hit a 3 to put in to 14 with 4:30. Still a decided game? What NBA have you been watching the last few years? It also looked like OG was coming in. Whose to say he wasn't coming in for Randle (probably not, though)? You're blaming the wrong source here.
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Re: Per WOJ - Randle having surgery 

Post#166 » by Synciere » Thu Apr 4, 2024 6:42 pm

HerSports85 wrote:You really hate this for Randle because this was the postseason for him to prove that he can produce in the playoffs and give us a clear vision of this team moving forward, and now I don't know if we extend him.


No, we don't extend him. He has a player option, let him play it out. After Jalen's supermax we need to save some space just in case.
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Re: Randle having surgery 

Post#167 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Thu Apr 4, 2024 6:42 pm

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You're acting like the FO is forcing Thibs to play guys who are clearly injured and unable to play. This has never ever happened. Thibs plays guys who are available to play and has even followed the minutes restrictions with guys coming back. Like always, you're making **** up to fit this narrative without any proof.


Lmao


It's like some of you never looked at the Bulls or Timberwolves injury history with him. You guys are embarrassing with your defense as though these same things haven't happened before.


Blaming Thibs for DRose getting hurt is so stupid and makes no sense. BTW Iguodala and Deng played more minutes in that game he got first hurt. Had nothing to do with minutes. Players don't increase their chances of getting hurt with more minutes played!


Down 12 with a minute left in the game, he left a player on the floor that tore his meniscus months earlier and came back after only 10 games missed. It's the coaches job to protect players from themselves, he doesn't do that and has a history of it where you can literally go look at threads from Bulls and Wolves fans on this same forum criticizing him for the same exact things you're defending him on. Deng? The man was completely finished athletically by 31, great example, those minutes caught up to him and he was out of the league at 33.

You're kidding yourself, it's embarrassing.
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Re: Randle having surgery 

Post#168 » by FrozenEnvelope » Thu Apr 4, 2024 6:43 pm

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ok then it is what it is...he obviously gave it all he had to make it back. Just **** situation.


It’s still a major f up because he could have been months into recovery by now and more time to ramp up for next season. Our medical staff is pretty sus these days


yeah its also sounding likely he might miss start of next year...which like you said is a major f*ck up...they just have a lot more misses this medical staff


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Re: Per WOJ - Randle having surgery 

Post#169 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Thu Apr 4, 2024 6:44 pm

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You can't be this stupid.


Stupid is leaving a player in a game that's been decided, stupid is also defending that tactic.


Up 17 with 4:30 to go isn't decided. What NBA have you been watching the last few years? It also looked like OG was coming in Whose to say he wasn't coming in for Randle (probably not, though)? You're blaming the wrong source here.


We won the game by 16, obviously we would have held on if he had been on the bench, since that's exactly what we did after he got hurt. He shouldn't have been in the game, the man has a pattern of this, it came back to haunt him like it did with the Bulls and Wolves.
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Re: Randle having surgery 

Post#170 » by BigShot Bojan » Thu Apr 4, 2024 6:47 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
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NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
Lmao


It's like some of you never looked at the Bulls or Timberwolves injury history with him. You guys are embarrassing with your defense as though these same things haven't happened before.


Blaming Thibs for DRose getting hurt is so stupid and makes no sense. BTW Iguodala and Deng played more minutes in that game he got first hurt. Had nothing to do with minutes. Players don't increase their chances of getting hurt with more minutes played!


Down 12 with a minute left in the game, he left a player on the floor that tore his meniscus months earlier and came back after only 10 games missed. It's the coaches job to protect players from themselves, he doesn't do that and has a history of it where you can literally go look at threads from Bulls and Wolves fans on this same forum criticizing him for the same exact things you're defending him on. Deng? The man was completely finished athletically by 31, great example, those minutes caught up to him and he was out of the league at 33.

You're kidding yourself, it's embarrassing.
to be fair you know how many videos there were about his landing and poor body mechanics …it was inevitable…
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Re: Per WOJ - Randle having surgery 

Post#171 » by stuporman » Thu Apr 4, 2024 6:53 pm

The question the minutes police refuse to answer is will you accept more losses to play players fewer minutes? The interrogation room lighting is too bright for them...

If you will just say it, don't distract from the question or shift the point, no moving goalposts, say it if you will and let it be what it is.
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Re: Per WOJ - Randle having surgery 

Post#172 » by FrozenEnvelope » Thu Apr 4, 2024 6:56 pm

stuporman wrote:The question the minutes police refuse to answer is will you accept more losses to play players fewer minutes? The interrogation room lighting is too bright for them...

If you will just say it, don't distract from the question or shift the point, no moving goalposts, say it if you will and let it be what it is.


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Re: Randle having surgery 

Post#173 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Thu Apr 4, 2024 6:57 pm

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NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
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Blaming Thibs for DRose getting hurt is so stupid and makes no sense. BTW Iguodala and Deng played more minutes in that game he got first hurt. Had nothing to do with minutes. Players don't increase their chances of getting hurt with more minutes played!


Down 12 with a minute left in the game, he left a player on the floor that tore his meniscus months earlier and came back after only 10 games missed. It's the coaches job to protect players from themselves, he doesn't do that and has a history of it where you can literally go look at threads from Bulls and Wolves fans on this same forum criticizing him for the same exact things you're defending him on. Deng? The man was completely finished athletically by 31, great example, those minutes caught up to him and he was out of the league at 33.

You're kidding yourself, it's embarrassing.
to be fair you know how many videos there were about his landing and poor body mechanics …it was inevitable…


Just as Deng and Noah breaking down were inevitable as well. Jimmy Butler got to a point where he decided when he would play games or not, and I quote "To protect my body" because the coach wasn't looking out for him.

We just watched him play two different guys wire to wire 48 minutes in games, so when Josh Hart starts breaking down I'm sure that will be brushed off as well.
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Post#174 » by Knick4Real » Thu Apr 4, 2024 7:02 pm

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Some of these comments are laughable. Others are downright pathetic.

IT'S THIB'S FAULT: Thibs didn't run over Julius, a Miami Heat player did. So, how was the injury Thibs' fault?? :crazy:

TIME TO THROW IN THE TOWEL AND TANK: Huh??? One player can't make the playoffs, so we throw the whole season away and quit?? Who does that?? :crazy:

These are all emotional, knee-jerk reactions. Get it out of your system and suck it up.

When some of you calm down, you may remember that the KNICKS are only ONE game out of 3rd place. After years of not making the playoffs at all, you don't waste that opportunity and tank solely because everything isn't "perfect." You also don't waste Brunson's prime by telling him you want to throw an entire season away over the absence of one player.

You may also realize that the KNICKS are trying to build a culture/reputation more than they are trying to win a championship THIS YEAR (did you really think we were winning it all this season??). People are talking about us again as legit contenders. Players are considering us again as a legit landing spot. With that in mind, we have to go as far in the playoffs as we can since that's how you attract a Giannis, Booker, etc. Quitting now not only erases all the work we've put in, but makes us look like a laughing stock to the rest of the league.

We're in position to go deep in the playoffs. Our franchise (finally) looks competent to players around the league. We have a boatload of draft picks and the ability to snag a true star this offseason.

With all that, we keep going. We don't take our marbles and run home now!! :banghead:
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Re: Per WOJ - Randle having surgery 

Post#175 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Thu Apr 4, 2024 7:05 pm

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stuporman wrote:The question the minutes police refuse to answer is will you accept more losses to play players fewer minutes? The interrogation room lighting is too bright for them...

If you will just say it, don't distract from the question or shift the point, no moving goalposts, say it if you will and let it be what it is.


Dumbest cult and lowest IQ fans since the Frank stans. Funny how it's a lot of the same people.



Low IQs definitely belong to people who refuse to learn from history.


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Re: Per WOJ - Randle having surgery 

Post#176 » by Wildcat » Thu Apr 4, 2024 7:07 pm

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Stupid is leaving a player in a game that's been decided, stupid is also defending that tactic.


Up 17 with 4:30 to go isn't decided. What NBA have you been watching the last few years? It also looked like OG was coming in Whose to say he wasn't coming in for Randle (probably not, though)? You're blaming the wrong source here.


We won the game by 16, obviously we would have held on if he had been on the bench, since that's exactly what we did after he got hurt. He shouldn't have been in the game, the man has a pattern of this, it came back to haunt him like it did with the Bulls and Wolves.


The level of your hindsight is unbelievable, mate.

What does winning the game by 16 have anything to do with being up by 17 with 4:30 minutes to go a game? Leads evaporate on a nightly basis here in the NBA. Miami didn't even sub out their starters until about a minute left in the game. The Knicks end game lineup didn't come out of the game until Miami's starters came out. They were still trying to win. Knicks went scoreless for about a minute after the injury. Only scored 10 points in the last 4 minutes. Miami hits a few shots and this is a different game.

Would you be singing the same tune if Thibs put the bench in and cut to 8 or lost the lead? Because if memory serves me right, we've seen these moments where their bench looks like a G-League team. Hate Thibs all you want, but this isn't some kind of poetic krama thing biting him in the ass. Just another **** Heats thing mixed in with some badluck.
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Post#178 » by Im Coming Home » Thu Apr 4, 2024 7:09 pm

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No, we don't extend him. He has a player option, let him play it out. After Jalen's supermax we need to save some space just in case.

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Re: Per WOJ - Randle having surgery 

Post#179 » by Im Coming Home » Thu Apr 4, 2024 7:11 pm

I was duped into thinking Julius injury happened up 15 with 2 minutes to go.. it was a 17 point game with 4 and a half to go. Very unlikely a team comes back BUT 4 and a half mins is a lot of time in todays NBA, and the Heat still had their guys in.

This injury is not on Thibs at all as far as I'm concerned. Does Thibs tend to wear down guys by playing too many minutes which can lead to more chances of getting hurt? Yes. But this is not that case.
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Re: Per WOJ - Randle having surgery 

Post#180 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Thu Apr 4, 2024 7:12 pm

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Up 17 with 4:30 to go isn't decided. What NBA have you been watching the last few years? It also looked like OG was coming in Whose to say he wasn't coming in for Randle (probably not, though)? You're blaming the wrong source here.


We won the game by 16, obviously we would have held on if he had been on the bench, since that's exactly what we did after he got hurt. He shouldn't have been in the game, the man has a pattern of this, it came back to haunt him like it did with the Bulls and Wolves.


The level of your hindsight is unbelievable, mate.

What does winning the game by 16 have anything to do with being up by 17 with 4:30 minutes to go a game? Leads evaporate on a nightly basis here in the NBA. Miami didn't even sub out their starters until about a minute left in the game. The Knicks end game lineup didn't come out of the game until Miami's starters came out. They were still trying to win. Knicks went scoreless for about a minute after the injury. Only scored 10 points in the last 4 minutes. Miami hits a few shots and this is a different game.

Would you be singing the same tune if Thibs put the bench in and cut to 8 or lost the lead? Because if memory serves me right, we've seen these moments where their bench looks like a G-League team. Hate Thibs all you want, but this isn't some kind of poetic krama thing biting him in the ass. Just another **** Heats thing mixed in with some badluck.



You're saying it's hindsight, while coming up with a hypothetical about how Miami could maybe make some shots? I mean, they didn't, I'm basing my argument on the fact we actually won after he got hurt. If it were that critical that he be left in till the very last second then we should have lost that game.

Again, you guys are trying to argue against history, where he has done this with two previous teams, we even saw RJ get hurt in a game that was decided against the Nuggets. Does this need to happen to Jalen before you guys say maybe it's a problem?
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