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stuporman wrote:Here it is again, a couple days ago I state the obvious about refs lumping Brunson into the foul baiters group and penalizing him for getting fouled because of his style of play. He can't drive into the paint and pivot around because that's 'hunting' a foul so they won't call it now.

You know who else was a 'foul hunter'? Every elite player in the history of the league, they get into the paint and draw illegal contact from players who can't stop them without it...that's still a foul that has to be called even if you want to clean up the baiters. Baiting and hunting aren't really the same thing.

Throwing yourself into players that have legal defensive position with an exaggerated fly away as if the defender initiated the contact is the baiting. It's not driving into the paint, so players initiate illegal contact with the offensive player and knowing you're going to get that contact, even forcing them to.

It's almost as if once the Knicks actually get a player that can take them to the next level all of a sudden they decide that type of player isn't 'good for the league'. Can't have the Brunsons of the world thinking they are elite, that's for aliens like LeBron or Wemby, not little blue collar Brunson.

Such a sham, if they take away a player's incentive to drive into the paint knowing it will draw illegal contact by not calling those fouls they won't do it anymore. It will turn the league into 3 point shots and open layups with little to nothing else, exactly what they supposedly hated about the AS game.

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Capn'O wrote:Interesting. That shows. Maybe they've overcompensated though.

They've definitely been looking at his hunting for charges differently.

I think for Brunson it's more a factor of he's playing fewer minutes and we've slowed our pace down a lot post-ASB

Pace went from 97 pre-ASB to 94 post-ASB, and Brunson has gone from about 36 mpg to under 33, which is a good thing because Thibs isn't wearing him out, but I think that's more the reason why than anything

Cause you look at per36 numbers, his free throws per36 went from 6.3 pre-ASB to 6.0 post-ASB. So slight decline, but not a huge amount. Per100 possessions, from 8.6 pre-ASB to 8.5 post-ASB, virtually identical

You can argue he's been not getting calls all year and I think there's a point there, but people are drastically overstating the difference. Plus, I find it hard to understand how the same people saying the Lakers being #1 in free throw differential over 2 seasons is clear evidence of rigging, but the Knicks at #2 are being rigged against somehow

Every single fanbase feels like the refs are against them personally. At least some of them have to be wrong, mathematically speaking.

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stuporman wrote:Here it is again, a couple days ago I state the obvious about refs lumping Brunson into the foul baiters group and penalizing him for getting fouled because of his style of play. He can't drive into the paint and pivot around because that's 'hunting' a foul so they won't call it now.

You know who else was a 'foul hunter'? Every elite player in the history of the league, they get into the paint and draw illegal contact from players who can't stop them without it...that's still a foul that has to be called even if you want to clean up the baiters. Baiting and hunting aren't really the same thing.

Throwing yourself into players that have legal defensive position with an exaggerated fly away as if the defender initiated the contact is the baiting. It's not driving into the paint, so players initiate illegal contact with the offensive player and knowing you're going to get that contact, even forcing them to.

It's almost as if once the Knicks actually get a player that can take them to the next level all of a sudden they decide that type of player isn't 'good for the league'. Can't have the Brunsons of the world thinking they are elite, that's for aliens like LeBron or Wemby, not little blue collar Brunson.

Such a sham, if they take away a player's incentive to drive into the paint knowing it will draw illegal contact by not calling those fouls they won't do it anymore. It will turn the league into 3 point shots and open layups with little to nothing else, exactly what they supposedly hated about the AS game.

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stuporman wrote:Here it is again, a couple days ago I state the obvious about refs lumping Brunson into the foul baiters group and penalizing him for getting fouled because of his style of play. He can't drive into the paint and pivot around because that's 'hunting' a foul so they won't call it now.

You know who else was a 'foul hunter'? Every elite player in the history of the league, they get into the paint and draw illegal contact from players who can't stop them without it...that's still a foul that has to be called even if you want to clean up the baiters. Baiting and hunting aren't really the same thing.

Throwing yourself into players that have legal defensive position with an exaggerated fly away as if the defender initiated the contact is the baiting. It's not driving into the paint, so players initiate illegal contact with the offensive player and knowing you're going to get that contact, even forcing them to.

It's almost as if once the Knicks actually get a player that can take them to the next level all of a sudden they decide that type of player isn't 'good for the league'. Can't have the Brunsons of the world thinking they are elite, that's for aliens like LeBron or Wemby, not little blue collar Brunson.

Such a sham, if they take away a player's incentive to drive into the paint knowing it will draw illegal contact by not calling those fouls they won't do it anymore. It will turn the league into 3 point shots and open layups with little to nothing else, exactly what they supposedly hated about the AS game.

Hes_On_Fire wrote:I don’t think we were winning it all fully healthy. You need a legit second option. Randle isn’t that guy. Will be interesting to see what happens this offseason. I would put Randle out there in trade scenarios depending on who is available.

We also need to find someone in the draft that can fill in for OG. Easier said than done but hopefully we can scout a guy who will be able to bring some defensive intensity and versatility that Anunoby brings. Considering the guy is going to be missing 20-25 games per season we will need an adequate backup for him. Hart is great but too small to guard multiple positions.

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sol537 wrote:There's a chance we "run it back" next season with a healthy squad without major changes...

iHart / Mitch
Randle / Precious
OG / Hart
DDV / McBride
Brunson / Rokas

Then we draft three young 3&D prospects and let them develop in the background and fill-in for injured guys here and there. That's still a 55+ win contending team when healthy and we wouldn't have to make any major trades until a great one presents itself.

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