Upcoming Hartenstein free agency

[Richard4444]

Besides, we can not give him too many promises.

He is very tradable if we can land a star.

Evan or the player we trade him for might not be enough filler.

I guess Brunson and OG are virtually untradeable.

We will try very hard to not trade Hart and DDV because of the VIlanova Connection.

Who is left?

The issue with Randle is that no one will give proper value to Randle"s contract because of his reputation.

In the end, we can be forced to give them Mitch and IHart.

[Context]

Stop worrying about next year. Enjoy the moment. We’ve earned this.

Couldnt have said it better

[Jeffrey]

I believe he can only sign up to 15 m since he is early bird right? That's one of few mistakes Leon made in free agency.

If the Knicks promise him a starting role... I could see him sign a 1 year 15 m extension and then sign a bigger contract after next season. If not, he is gone because he deserves every penny and a starting spot.

This isn't to put down Mitch but we seriously need to talk about how injury prone he is. I love him but if he is missing 30+ games a year, he isn't reliable.

[douggood]

I believe he can only sign up to 15 m since he is early bird right? That's one of few mistakes Leon made in free agency.

If the Knicks promise him a starting role... I could see him sign a 1 year 15 m extension and then sign a bigger contract after next season. If not, he is gone because he deserves every penny and a starting spot.

This isn't to put down Mitch but we seriously need to talk about how injury prone he is. I love him but if he is missing 30+ games a year, he isn't reliable.

he cannot sign 1 year contract. has to be minimum 2 years for early bird right players.

[Jeffrey]

I believe he can only sign up to 15 m since he is early bird right? That's one of few mistakes Leon made in free agency.

If the Knicks promise him a starting role... I could see him sign a 1 year 15 m extension and then sign a bigger contract after next season. If not, he is gone because he deserves every penny and a starting spot.

This isn't to put down Mitch but we seriously need to talk about how injury prone he is. I love him but if he is missing 30+ games a year, he isn't reliable.

he cannot sign 1 year contract. has to be minimum 2 years for early bird right players.

I didn't know that, can it be a 1+1?

[douggood]

I believe he can only sign up to 15 m since he is early bird right? That's one of few mistakes Leon made in free agency.

If the Knicks promise him a starting role... I could see him sign a 1 year 15 m extension and then sign a bigger contract after next season. If not, he is gone because he deserves every penny and a starting spot.

This isn't to put down Mitch but we seriously need to talk about how injury prone he is. I love him but if he is missing 30+ games a year, he isn't reliable.

he cannot sign 1 year contract. has to be minimum 2 years for early bird right players.

I didn't know that, can it be a 1+1?

no, has to be 2-4 years

Early Bird contracts must be at least two seasons in length, which prevents teams from using the Early Bird to sign a one-year contract, then signing the same player with the full Larry Bird exception the following season. Early Bird contracts can be up to four years in length,

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q25

[sol537]

You sign iHart for the max we can give him 16m+ starting for 4 years and you trade Mitch. Then you give Precious an extension at a fair value (no one’s overpaying him). Keep this core together.

[TrueWarrior]

I just cant see Isaiah leaving this.

He will either sign the full 4 year Early Bird contract starting around 16M this summer, or he will sign a 2 year deal with a player option for the 2nd year so he can opt out and get a bigger Full Bird contract next summer.

Remember Isaiah would also get more exposure and possible side gigs/endorsements in NYC than anywhere else too.

Promising him the starting job would be necessary if we expect him to come back though I imagine. I know him and Mitch are boys but sh*t happens.

[8516knicks]

Besides, we can not give him too many promises.

He is very tradable if we can land a star.

Evan or the player we trade him for might not be enough filler.

I guess Brunson and OG are virtually untradeable.

We will try very hard to not trade Hart and DDV because of the VIlanova Connection.

Who is left?

The issue with Randle is that no one will give proper value to Randle"s contract because of his reputation.

In the end, we can be forced to give them Mitch and IHart.

We are not going to give anyone BOTH our centers.

[cgmw]

I just cant see Isaiah leaving this.

He will either sign the full 4 year Early Bird contract starting around 16M this summer, or he will sign a 2 year deal with a player option for the 2nd year so he can opt out and get a bigger Full Bird contract next summer.

Promising him the starting job would be necessary if we expect him to come back though I imagine. I know him and Mitch are boys but sh*t happens.

Thibs is running him at insane volumes for a big man. That achilles strain is a pretty god-awful omen for longterm health. I’d be pretty concerned that his productivity would drop off a cliff once he has the longterm deal. Personally, if my longterm financial future was secure I wouldn’t jeopardize my longterm health (in life, not just hoops) to play insane minutes for Thibs.

Look at miles run among NBA players. Hartenstein is the biggest dude by far logging those kind of miles. Thibs has him running for his next contract like Reggie, Ray, or Steph.

Truth is a Thibs team probably needs 3 starting caliber centers because he will always injure at least one if not two of them at any given time.

[Capn'O]

he cannot sign 1 year contract. has to be minimum 2 years for early bird right players.

I didn't know that, can it be a 1+1?

no, has to be 2-4 years

Early Bird contracts must be at least two seasons in length, which prevents teams from using the Early Bird to sign a one-year contract, then signing the same player with the full Larry Bird exception the following season. Early Bird contracts can be up to four years in length,

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q25

Hmmm... I wonder if that precludes a 4 year contract with a year 1 player option. It probably does.

This seems like a weird line in the sand for the CBA to split hairs on. Like, it's fine to offer three 1-year contracts towards Bird rights but do a 2 and a 1? Whoa, that's some crazy **** that we just can't allow. I know it's the rules. I'm just complaining. It seems like it punishes teams for finding guys who improve under their wing.

[epics2002]

Ihart seems like a guy who would take less money to stay on the Knicks.

While I generally agree here, this is shaping up to be a huge difference.....like 4years/80million vs. what 4years/60million?

Can we do a 2 year deal with a player option after the first and promise him to take care of him after the first year? Or is something like that forbidden in the NBA?

What type of contract can someone with cap space offer Ihart? How much more than us?

[douggood]

Ihart seems like a guy who would take less money to stay on the Knicks.

While I generally agree here, this is shaping up to be a huge difference.....like 4years/80million vs. what 4years/60million?

Can we do a 2 year deal with a player option after the first and promise him to take care of him after the first year? Or is something like that forbidden in the NBA?

What type of contract can someone with cap space offer Ihart? How much more than us?

4 year 180ish mil is what is he eligible for from other teams
4 year 73is mil is what the max knicks can give him.

[robillionaire]

Give him whatever he wants, find the money somewhere

[Jeffrey]

You sign iHart for the max we can give him 16m+ starting for 4 years and you trade Mitch. Then you give Precious an extension at a fair value (no one’s overpaying him). Keep this core together.

I heard that we can't give him that much as well.

[TrueWarrior]

I just cant see Isaiah leaving this.

He will either sign the full 4 year Early Bird contract starting around 16M this summer, or he will sign a 2 year deal with a player option for the 2nd year so he can opt out and get a bigger Full Bird contract next summer.

Promising him the starting job would be necessary if we expect him to come back though I imagine. I know him and Mitch are boys but sh*t happens.

Thibs is running him at insane volumes for a big man. That achilles strain is a pretty god-awful omen for longterm health. I’d be pretty concerned that his productivity would drop off a cliff once he has the longterm deal. Personally, if my longterm financial future was secure I wouldn’t jeopardize my longterm health (in life, not just hoops) to play insane minutes for Thibs.

Look at miles run among NBA players. Hartenstein is the biggest dude by far logging those kind of miles. Thibs has him running for his next contract like Reggie, Ray, or Steph.

Truth is a Thibs team probably needs 3 starting caliber centers because he will always injure at least one if not two of them at any given time.

This is valid.

The achilles thing is definitely a concern, especially since he seems to almost tweak it every game now. Hopefully we’re not playing with fire and he will make it through the playoffs.

Part of Isaiah’s minutes being high is that Mitch also got hurt though, and Mitch’s injury had little to do with Thibs.

Precious has been playing well but he’s more of a backup 4/5 and clearly not a starting caliber center like Mitch. Sims is a 3rd stringer at best. So if Mitch can come back and be content playing 20 mpg off the bench, or if he gets moved for another more reliable backup center, then Isaiah should be fine.

[Jeffrey]

I just cant see Isaiah leaving this.

He will either sign the full 4 year Early Bird contract starting around 16M this summer, or he will sign a 2 year deal with a player option for the 2nd year so he can opt out and get a bigger Full Bird contract next summer.

Remember Isaiah would also get more exposure and possible side gigs/endorsements in NYC than anywhere else too.

Promising him the starting job would be necessary if we expect him to come back though I imagine. I know him and Mitch are boys but sh*t happens.

There's quite a few teams with cap space that might be willing to give him Poetl's money and a starting position. I hope that he stays but who knows.

[Richard4444]

Besides, we can not give him too many promises.

He is very tradable if we can land a star.

Evan or the player we trade him for might not be enough filler.

I guess Brunson and OG are virtually untradeable.

We will try very hard to not trade Hart and DDV because of the VIlanova Connection.

Who is left?

The issue with Randle is that no one will give proper value to Randle"s contract because of his reputation.

In the end, we can be forced to give them Mitch and IHart.

We are not going to give anyone BOTH our centers.

I mean both are tradable. But we Deal only one of the 2.

[movingon]

he cannot sign 1 year contract. has to be minimum 2 years for early bird right players.

I didn't know that, can it be a 1+1?

no, has to be 2-4 years

Early Bird contracts must be at least two seasons in length, which prevents teams from using the Early Bird to sign a one-year contract, then signing the same player with the full Larry Bird exception the following season. Early Bird contracts can be up to four years in length,

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q25

Of course It can be 1+1, i.e., 2nd year is a player option.

[douggood]

I didn't know that, can it be a 1+1?

no, has to be 2-4 years

Early Bird contracts must be at least two seasons in length, which prevents teams from using the Early Bird to sign a one-year contract, then signing the same player with the full Larry Bird exception the following season. Early Bird contracts can be up to four years in length,

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q25

Of course It can be 1+1, i.e., 2nd year is a player option.

nope
here i will let NBA.com explain it to you

A contract signed using the Early Bird Exception must be for at least two seasons (not including any option year).

https://www.nba.com/news/free-agency-explained