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I couldn't watch the game last night. Just watched the whole thing this morning.

What a band of warriors, man.

I can't believe that there are people who think Hart is replaceable. The dude is our soul.

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Do I blame him or the reporter asking such a stupid question?

you can't co-sign that leading question. make him look softer than baby ****.

Buttah304 wrote:Why is it that when I woke up I found myself thinking about the last possession in the 3rd where Bogie decided to leave Merrill wide open for 3 and opted to help on the driver.

Bojan is an impressive offensive player - and I feel the best is yet to come for him as our guys get back…and I truly feel he can be an X Factor not in the cliche way I mean tilt a series if he’s scorching hot…but man…it’s that kind of decision in the closing seconds that concerns you in a big moment.

It’s not even a lack of effort - in his mind he wanted to help contest on the drive partly because the backbone of a Thibs style defense is to shut off the paint valve…this is more of a low IQ choice that he made defensively - Merrill had made 5 threes prior to that basket and you get the sense that wasn’t even a thought in the back of Bogies mind

Tough thing for a new player IMO, but obviously looks like the wrong choice. He was late at the initial help anyhow so it's debatable how effective he would have been even with that. However our defense relies on help and rotation. After he helps there, someones job is to help the helper.

His defense is a problem, but his utility is that when the other team is scoring 1.5 ppp, he can generate about the same and help the team tread water until the real players come in. Against weaker teams that differential changes in our favor. Against superior teams like Boston, we just hemorrhage.

the cavs had a 2 point lead at halftime. brunson got hurt 1 minute into the game. the f*ck is mobley talking about.

god shammgod wrote:the cavs had a 2 point lead at halftime. brunosn got hurt 1 minute into the game. the f*ck is mobley talking about.

One of the odder comments.

Gravy wrote:

cgmw wrote:

Gravy wrote:Dolan also caused Okoro to run into Brunson, that's new. What difference does it make who the coach is if Dolan is really behind all the injuries. Is Thibs responsible for every injury in the NBA because Embiid is already pre-injured by Thibs.

This is how you know you and the handful of others who deny basic reality aren’t serious. Your only arguments are nonsense like this. You sound like Frozen Envelope saying “Thibs can’t prevent 100% of inuries” therefore Thibs isn’t responsible for any injury ever. Once you say stupid sh*t like that (or what you just said about Dolan and Embiid), there’s not much else to talk about.

Better question — why didn’t Charlie Brown get minutes last night? How much longer can DDV and Hart stay healthy?

Hey if Thibs is responsible for all injuries to his players regardless of how it happens then it's a matter of time before Charlie Brown gets hurt too. Maybe he slips on a wet spot after someone fakes him out with a basketball, now he's out because of Thibs ..

The facts are all minutes played are dice rolls for injury. More minutes played = more dice rolls. That's why teams empty the bench when a game is out of hand just to avoid the unlikely freak injury.

Also using players who are fatigued or playing more strenuous minutes exponentially increased probability of injury.
You would know this first hand if you ever actually participated in real exercise.

So while this sort of injury -- Brunson coming off two days rest, nursing an unrelated neck injury, running a pretty standard play, and having an uncommon injury after a freak incident -- is not directly tied to the Thibs hitlist, there is an indirect relationship because simply of all of the opportunities Thibs awards him to HAVE a freak injury.

This does not take into account all of the other indirect problems that his method has, and also does not take into account all of the direct and indirect benefits. Other problems include Thibs not having guys practice(this was stated by players last month during the injuries) which helps with recovery but makes play more sloppy and out of rhythm which can of course lead to injury. Also, every time someone goes down, then the next man up has to take on an inordinately heavy load putting them in a danger zone for their own injury.
We have seen the results first hand now that we have 5 of our top 8 in our rotation in hospital gowns.
Benefits are - we have our best players on the floor for longer. Also our players are mentally averse to sitting and will will themselves into feeling healthy (whereas others seemingly do the opposite) which can be positive because they are staying active rather than not.

god shammgod wrote:the cavs had a 2 point lead at halftime. brunson got hurt 1 minute into the game. the f*ck is mobley talking about.

I was a Mobley truther at one point but have been redeemed. This **** guy.

Both Brunson and Hart played basketball all summer, that would seem the more logical thing to point to if we wanted to talk about wear and tear.

People are biased against Thibs and have been for years for other reasons besides this(bc of the players that aren’t here anymore). Hart is playing a lot extra because OG had some freak elbow thing which also was not Thibs fault

Mitch has always been injury prone and there’s nothing to suspect the injuries to Randle or Brunson are related to the coach

The only one that I would even kinda entertain blaming him for is Hartenstein, who played massive minutes and then had the Achilles injury and is still playing with that injury, I could see that one being on Thibs, but even then, he was put into that situation of massive minutes increase because Mitch got injured. Same with Hart playing so many minutes, Precious playing crazy minutes because Randle is gone, McBride playing 47 because Brunson was out, it’s like a domino effect where legitimate freak injuries are making people play more than they would under usual circumstances. But what are we supposed to do, punt the season? Our 3rd string backups aren’t even real nba players. There was someone yesterday upset because Charlie Brown wasn’t playing like come on dude we are trying to win games here

nykballa2k4 wrote:

Gravy wrote:

cgmw wrote:This is how you know you and the handful of others who deny basic reality aren’t serious. Your only arguments are nonsense like this. You sound like Frozen Envelope saying “Thibs can’t prevent 100% of inuries” therefore Thibs isn’t responsible for any injury ever. Once you say stupid sh*t like that (or what you just said about Dolan and Embiid), there’s not much else to talk about.

Better question — why didn’t Charlie Brown get minutes last night? How much longer can DDV and Hart stay healthy?

Hey if Thibs is responsible for all injuries to his players regardless of how it happens then it's a matter of time before Charlie Brown gets hurt too. Maybe he slips on a wet spot after someone fakes him out with a basketball, now he's out because of Thibs ..

The facts are all minutes played are dice rolls for injury. More minutes played = more dice rolls. That's why teams empty the bench when a game is out of hand just to avoid the unlikely freak injury.

Also using players who are fatigued or playing more strenuous minutes exponentially increased probability of injury.
You would know this first hand if you ever actually participated in real exercise.

So while this sort of injury -- Brunson coming off two days rest, nursing an unrelated neck injury, running a pretty standard play, and having an uncommon injury after a freak incident -- is not directly tied to the Thibs hitlist, there is an indirect relationship because simply of all of the opportunities Thibs awards him to HAVE a freak injury.

This does not take into account all of the other indirect problems that his method has, and also does not take into account all of the direct and indirect benefits. Other problems include Thibs not having guys practice(this was stated by players last month during the injuries) which helps with recovery but makes play more sloppy and out of rhythm which can of course lead to injury. Also, every time someone goes down, then the next man up has to take on an inordinately heavy load putting them in a danger zone for their own injury.
We have seen the results first hand now that we have 5 of our top 8 in our rotation in hospital gowns.
Benefits are - we have our best players on the floor for longer. Also our players are mentally averse to sitting and will will themselves into feeling healthy (whereas others seemingly do the opposite) which can be positive because they are staying active rather than not.

Yep. Seems pretty obvious to me.

Also obvious that Thibs pushes his guys more than most coaches and thus gets more production. He also gets more injuries. Popper saying “none of these injuries had to do with minutes” is like saying “none of the sky is blue.” It makes 0 sense and has no basis in reality.

And this bears repeating — I’m a big fan of Thibs. Very grateful for what he’s doing and what he’s accomplished here. But reality is realty. And the real Q is whether a guy like Embiid or Kawhi would ever agree to play for him. I sincerely doubt it.

Deeeez Knicks wrote:In terms of minutes, the total avg over the course of the season may look fine. It's the times where Thibs plays guys over 12-15 minutes straight. Or the needless games where he pushes our starters 40+ minutes or leaving starters in too long up 20.

He def has issues trusting the bench and overplays guys at times.

Is every injury because of Thibs? Of course not but it def wears players down.

I mean look how well Deuce played. There's def been games he could have spelled Brunson a little longer. Brunson has taken a beating this year.

I’m also stealing this because I’m too lazy to type it out in my own words.

nykballa2k4 wrote:

Gravy wrote:

cgmw wrote:This is how you know you and the handful of others who deny basic reality aren’t serious. Your only arguments are nonsense like this. You sound like Frozen Envelope saying “Thibs can’t prevent 100% of inuries” therefore Thibs isn’t responsible for any injury ever. Once you say stupid sh*t like that (or what you just said about Dolan and Embiid), there’s not much else to talk about.

Better question — why didn’t Charlie Brown get minutes last night? How much longer can DDV and Hart stay healthy?

Hey if Thibs is responsible for all injuries to his players regardless of how it happens then it's a matter of time before Charlie Brown gets hurt too. Maybe he slips on a wet spot after someone fakes him out with a basketball, now he's out because of Thibs ..

The facts are all minutes played are dice rolls for injury. More minutes played = more dice rolls. That's why teams empty the bench when a game is out of hand just to avoid the unlikely freak injury.

Also using players who are fatigued or playing more strenuous minutes exponentially increased probability of injury.
You would know this first hand if you ever actually participated in real exercise.

So while this sort of injury -- Brunson coming off two days rest, nursing an unrelated neck injury, running a pretty standard play, and having an uncommon injury after a freak incident -- is not directly tied to the Thibs hitlist, there is an indirect relationship because simply of all of the opportunities Thibs awards him to HAVE a freak injury.

This does not take into account all of the other indirect problems that his method has, and also does not take into account all of the direct and indirect benefits. Other problems include Thibs not having guys practice(this was stated by players last month during the injuries) which helps with recovery but makes play more sloppy and out of rhythm which can of course lead to injury. Also, every time someone goes down, then the next man up has to take on an inordinately heavy load putting them in a danger zone for their own injury.
We have seen the results first hand now that we have 5 of our top 8 in our rotation in hospital gowns.
Benefits are - we have our best players on the floor for longer. Also our players are mentally averse to sitting and will will themselves into feeling healthy (whereas others seemingly do the opposite) which can be positive because they are staying active rather than not.

So all injuries are because of Thibs, even the freak injuries which are totally out of anyone's control by definition are also because of Thibs too?

I must say the hate yall have for our best coach in 25 years sounds pretty deranged. Maybe its just me

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Capn'O wrote:

god shammgod wrote:the cavs had a 2 point lead at halftime. brunson got hurt 1 minute into the game. the f*ck is mobley talking about.

I was a Mobley truther at one point but have been redeemed. This **** guy.

The Cavs lack mental fortitude. There's no making up for that.

Thibs is going to kill Deuce by playing him 47 minutes so the smart thing would be to play Burks more...said no one ever.

Gravy wrote:

nykballa2k4 wrote:

Gravy wrote:Hey if Thibs is responsible for all injuries to his players regardless of how it happens then it's a matter of time before Charlie Brown gets hurt too. Maybe he slips on a wet spot after someone fakes him out with a basketball, now he's out because of Thibs ..

The facts are all minutes played are dice rolls for injury. More minutes played = more dice rolls. That's why teams empty the bench when a game is out of hand just to avoid the unlikely freak injury.

Also using players who are fatigued or playing more strenuous minutes exponentially increased probability of injury.
You would know this first hand if you ever actually participated in real exercise.

So while this sort of injury -- Brunson coming off two days rest, nursing an unrelated neck injury, running a pretty standard play, and having an uncommon injury after a freak incident -- is not directly tied to the Thibs hitlist, there is an indirect relationship because simply of all of the opportunities Thibs awards him to HAVE a freak injury.

This does not take into account all of the other indirect problems that his method has, and also does not take into account all of the direct and indirect benefits. Other problems include Thibs not having guys practice(this was stated by players last month during the injuries) which helps with recovery but makes play more sloppy and out of rhythm which can of course lead to injury. Also, every time someone goes down, then the next man up has to take on an inordinately heavy load putting them in a danger zone for their own injury.
We have seen the results first hand now that we have 5 of our top 8 in our rotation in hospital gowns.
Benefits are - we have our best players on the floor for longer. Also our players are mentally averse to sitting and will will themselves into feeling healthy (whereas others seemingly do the opposite) which can be positive because they are staying active rather than not.

So all injuries are because of Thibs, even the freak injuries which are totally out of anyone's control by definition are also because of Thibs too?

I must say the hate yall have for our best coach in 25 years sounds pretty deranged. Maybe its just me

Wtf are you talking about?

First of all Thibs is a great coach and we’re lucky to have him. But that doesn’t magically erase the laws of f*cking physics.

“All injuries are Thibs fault” is like pre-school level bullsh*t. The full sentence would maybe include the just basic common sense reality that Thibs plays his guys hard, plays them a lot, and expects them stay tough through adversity, which shocker (!) tends to cause player injuries.

Do we like our playoff team? Yes. Do we like our home court advantage? Yes. Do we like the Garden rocking despite lacking a traditional marquee #1? F yes we do. Well, the downside of that kind of delicious omelette is that Thibs is gonna break a few eggs

Gravy wrote:

nykballa2k4 wrote:

Gravy wrote:Hey if Thibs is responsible for all injuries to his players regardless of how it happens then it's a matter of time before Charlie Brown gets hurt too. Maybe he slips on a wet spot after someone fakes him out with a basketball, now he's out because of Thibs ..

The facts are all minutes played are dice rolls for injury. More minutes played = more dice rolls. That's why teams empty the bench when a game is out of hand just to avoid the unlikely freak injury.

Also using players who are fatigued or playing more strenuous minutes exponentially increased probability of injury.
You would know this first hand if you ever actually participated in real exercise.

So while this sort of injury -- Brunson coming off two days rest, nursing an unrelated neck injury, running a pretty standard play, and having an uncommon injury after a freak incident -- is not directly tied to the Thibs hitlist, there is an indirect relationship because simply of all of the opportunities Thibs awards him to HAVE a freak injury.

This does not take into account all of the other indirect problems that his method has, and also does not take into account all of the direct and indirect benefits. Other problems include Thibs not having guys practice(this was stated by players last month during the injuries) which helps with recovery but makes play more sloppy and out of rhythm which can of course lead to injury. Also, every time someone goes down, then the next man up has to take on an inordinately heavy load putting them in a danger zone for their own injury.
We have seen the results first hand now that we have 5 of our top 8 in our rotation in hospital gowns.
Benefits are - we have our best players on the floor for longer. Also our players are mentally averse to sitting and will will themselves into feeling healthy (whereas others seemingly do the opposite) which can be positive because they are staying active rather than not.

So all injuries are because of Thibs, even the freak injuries which are totally out of anyone's control by definition are also because of Thibs too?

I must say the hate yall have for our best coach in 25 years sounds pretty deranged. Maybe its just me

Gotcha. Troll going to troll. Noted.

stuporman wrote:Thibs is going to kill Deuce by playing him 47 minutes so the smart thing would be to play Burks more...said no one ever.

They want more Charlie Brown Jr now

Gravy wrote:

stuporman wrote:Thibs is going to kill Deuce by playing him 47 minutes so the smart thing would be to play Burks more...said no one ever.

They want more Charlie Brown Jr now

With 8 guys available for a 47 minute (post-Brunson) non-playoff game, how many NBA coaches would have left their 8th man in warmups the entire game? I’m guessing it’s literally Thibs and only Thibs.

You’re laughing now, but you won’t be laughing when Hart or Donte drop next.

cgmw wrote:

Gravy wrote:

nykballa2k4 wrote:
The facts are all minutes played are dice rolls for injury. More minutes played = more dice rolls. That's why teams empty the bench when a game is out of hand just to avoid the unlikely freak injury.

Also using players who are fatigued or playing more strenuous minutes exponentially increased probability of injury.
You would know this first hand if you ever actually participated in real exercise.

So while this sort of injury -- Brunson coming off two days rest, nursing an unrelated neck injury, running a pretty standard play, and having an uncommon injury after a freak incident -- is not directly tied to the Thibs hitlist, there is an indirect relationship because simply of all of the opportunities Thibs awards him to HAVE a freak injury.

This does not take into account all of the other indirect problems that his method has, and also does not take into account all of the direct and indirect benefits. Other problems include Thibs not having guys practice(this was stated by players last month during the injuries) which helps with recovery but makes play more sloppy and out of rhythm which can of course lead to injury. Also, every time someone goes down, then the next man up has to take on an inordinately heavy load putting them in a danger zone for their own injury.
We have seen the results first hand now that we have 5 of our top 8 in our rotation in hospital gowns.
Benefits are - we have our best players on the floor for longer. Also our players are mentally averse to sitting and will will themselves into feeling healthy (whereas others seemingly do the opposite) which can be positive because they are staying active rather than not.

So all injuries are because of Thibs, even the freak injuries which are totally out of anyone's control by definition are also because of Thibs too?

I must say the hate yall have for our best coach in 25 years sounds pretty deranged. Maybe its just me

Wtf are you talking about?

First of all Thibs is a great coach and we’re lucky to have him. But that doesn’t magically erase the laws of f*cking physics.

“All injuries are Thibs fault” is like pre-school level bullsh*t. The full sentence would maybe include the just basic common sense reality that Thibs plays his guys hard, plays them a lot, and expects them stay tough through adversity, which shocker (!) tends to cause player injuries.

Do we like our playoff team? Yes. Do we like our home court advantage? Yes. Do we like the Garden rocking despite lacking a traditional marquee #1? F yes we do. Well, the downside of that kind of delicious omelette is that Thibs is gonna break a few eggs

“All injuries are Thibs fault” is what yall been saying to me in every reply all day long. Do you even realize this or do you believe you've been saying something else that makes sense?