Knicksfan1992 wrote:mpharris36 wrote:Capn'O wrote:
Beyond this though, Thibs is a maniac. He keeps playing guys when they're obviously hurting or beyond gassed and it's just wild to me. I was at the Portland game - I've never seen a guy in such consistently obvious pain as OG remain in the game outside of do or die playoff situations.
basically this.
its a medical staff thing but thibs is a part of that. Because his tenure in NY isn't the first time this has happened. He played Derrick Rose and Loul Deng and Noah huge minutes and a lot of those guys had much shorter careers. Can everything be blamed on him...no absolutely not and he is a successful coach and people certainly compliment him on his relentless attention to detail and preparation especially in the regular season.
But like you said there is a reason sports scientists brought in load management and minutes restrictions because while you can't prevent every injury you can also be smart about certain things to not compound them.
He's got that "if he dies, he dies" mentality as long as we are wining.
Rose was on a one way track to getting injured regardless of who is coach was IMO. The way he moved so violently had no long term viability and that was pre-modern sports science emphasis where they could have taught him how to land better, move more efficiently, etc. Most of those uber athletic point guards from that era have had pretty short lived peaks or have struggled with injuries. John Wall, Eric Bledsoe, Gilbert Arenas, Steve Francis, Baron Davis, Ja Morant and countless other examples.
I'd argue Luol Deng and Noah had pretty standard length careers with normal peaks and fall off. Maybe a tad bit early but both basically found their way out of the league at around 34 years old which is pretty standard for non top 10 star level talents. Noah may have been a bit earlier than he should have been I can give you that one because once he hit 30 he basically couldn't start anymore.
Also Taj and Jimmy sort of debunk that narrative as well.
Deng and Noah while they continued to play were nearly the same player from earlier in there careers...I mean Noah was around for his tenure here but was he really here? Deng had stints in other places but was pretty much shot.
Jimmy Butler certainly hasn't been a model of health. He has only surpassed 60 games played once since 2016-17...he has been avg about 30 or so missed games a season for better part of a decade.
Taj probably only one who's had any sort of longevity for a player that has played a majority of his career under thibs. Like I said its not a perfect science but there are certain trends to not be ignored.
Rose injury could obviously happen to anyone he also came into the league for 3 straight years and played nearly 40 mins a night for 80 games + playoffs. Again not going to specifically say Rose ACL was destroyed by thibs you may be right his violent actions could have been a ticking time bomb but again we are dealing with sample size here.
Last year...injuries caught up to us
knick vs atl we lost because we weren't healthy
minnesota jimmy butler was banged up all season
chicago teams were always limping to the finish line with injuries.
I'm just curious do you think that is all just bad luck because looking throughout league certainly every coach doesn't deal with this.
It's obvious, he plays guys like it's the playoffs all throughout the regular season, it's why we also see a drop off from some of his players in the playoffs because intensity ramps up and other teams match the minutes so his edge over them in the regular season declines.
