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Re: PG: Deuce McBrunson School Curry's Kids 

Post#321 » by mpharris36 » Tue Mar 19, 2024 6:22 pm

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thebuzzardman wrote:No game. I don't know. Again, Brunson clearly elevates the team but there are definitive choices in role players.
IShart...Hart, Donte. There are half a dozen guys as good or better than each, in the role player category. But they specifically targeted these guys. Who drives that?


of course there is a theme and common characteristic of role players selfless, tough, hard working...I clear direction I think is shared from the FO, to the Coach, to the players...not sure one person can specifically get all the credit since it seems everyone has there niche of helping the team.

Dolan hiring Leon
Leon hiring WWW
Leon bringing hin his buddy and tough minded detail oriented coach Thibs
Thibs building his staff and Leon knowing what players thibs likes and can thrive in his system and under his coaching.
Having a selfless leader being your best player in Brunson
Acquiring players that share the same belief and fit into there roles and culture.

its just a trickle down. seems like a family affair.

It probably is. It's interesting to me this is working. Generally it's one person with the main vision and then those who support it, where the Knicks are very tight lipped and who actually does what not clear with Leon's media silence


yeah its certainly not like a Sam Presti situation...Leon value def seems to be hire smart people and preside and be a final decision maker but he certainly values hiring good people and lets them do what they do best.

Like let Thibs coach that is what he does
Let the FO make the decisions but with input from a lot of different people.

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Re: PG: Deuce McBrunson School Curry's Kids 

Post#322 » by moocow007 » Tue Mar 19, 2024 6:23 pm

Gravy wrote:Its much easier to win in the post season when you've got prime Curry, Klay, Draymond, KD, Lebron, Wade, Jokic, Giannis, Tatum with stacked rosters surrounding them. Thibs got Nerlens Noel, Reggie Bullock and Randle as starters. Its not the same thing


Agreed. Like I've said before, when Randle is your only real shot creator and defacto PG (which he was until Brunson arrived) you aren't going to be able to win much of anything.
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Re: PG: Deuce McBrunson School Curry's Kids 

Post#323 » by j4remi » Tue Mar 19, 2024 6:23 pm

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thebuzzardman wrote:Don't be cowards everyone. Answer my question regarding who is the true architect of this Knick team. Put your answer down for posterity.


Jalen Brunson becoming a top 10 player in the NBA is why we are where we are...all the other stuff is nice and good but you need an elite player to win in the NBA...and we now have one.

Now having that player doesn't guarantee anything....Leon/WWW/Thibs culture has helped along with us identifying good tough hard working role players.

Like I said before we basically have built the modern day AI sixers model. With Brunson being a more EFF 3 level scorer then AI.

Lazy answer. Clearly star players make a team in the NBA. Yet it's also true that not just any collection of role players supports a star and also teams can lean into certain kinds of role players. Who on the Knicks is driving the roster construction and playing style\approach\vision?

It's interesting that it feels unclear.


It's very clear actually. Jay Wright.
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Re: PG: Deuce McBrunson School Curry's Kids 

Post#324 » by WaltFrazier » Tue Mar 19, 2024 6:25 pm

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Post#325 » by Capn'O » Tue Mar 19, 2024 6:26 pm

Leon did snag Brunson... so maybe he gets more cookies than simply presiding. I doubt he was heavy into getting, say, Deuce McBride though.
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Re: PG: Deuce McBrunson School Curry's Kids 

Post#326 » by Knicksfan1992 » Tue Mar 19, 2024 6:26 pm

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basically this.

its a medical staff thing but thibs is a part of that. Because his tenure in NY isn't the first time this has happened. He played Derrick Rose and Loul Deng and Noah huge minutes and a lot of those guys had much shorter careers. Can everything be blamed on him...no absolutely not and he is a successful coach and people certainly compliment him on his relentless attention to detail and preparation especially in the regular season.

But like you said there is a reason sports scientists brought in load management and minutes restrictions because while you can't prevent every injury you can also be smart about certain things to not compound them.

He's got that "if he dies, he dies" mentality as long as we are wining.


Rose was on a one way track to getting injured regardless of who is coach was IMO. The way he moved so violently had no long term viability and that was pre-modern sports science emphasis where they could have taught him how to land better, move more efficiently, etc. Most of those uber athletic point guards from that era have had pretty short lived peaks or have struggled with injuries. John Wall, Eric Bledsoe, Gilbert Arenas, Steve Francis, Baron Davis, Ja Morant and countless other examples.

I'd argue Luol Deng and Noah had pretty standard length careers with normal peaks and fall off. Maybe a tad bit early but both basically found their way out of the league at around 34 years old which is pretty standard for non top 10 star level talents. Noah may have been a bit earlier than he should have been I can give you that one because once he hit 30 he basically couldn't start anymore.

Also Taj and Jimmy sort of debunk that narrative as well.


Deng and Noah while they continued to play were nearly the same player from earlier in there careers...I mean Noah was around for his tenure here but was he really here? Deng had stints in other places but was pretty much shot.

Jimmy Butler certainly hasn't been a model of health. He has only surpassed 60 games played once since 2016-17...he has been avg about 30 or so missed games a season for better part of a decade.

Taj probably only one who's had any sort of longevity for a player that has played a majority of his career under thibs. Like I said its not a perfect science but there are certain trends to not be ignored.

Rose injury could obviously happen to anyone he also came into the league for 3 straight years and played nearly 40 mins a night for 80 games + playoffs. Again not going to specifically say Rose ACL was destroyed by thibs you may be right his violent actions could have been a ticking time bomb but again we are dealing with sample size here.

Last year...injuries caught up to us
knick vs atl we lost because we weren't healthy
minnesota jimmy butler was banged up all season
chicago teams were always limping to the finish line with injuries.

I'm just curious do you think that is all just bad luck because looking throughout league certainly every coach doesn't deal with this.


I'm not saying Thibs doesn't demand a lot and may lead to some injuries but, this notion that he's the only guy who seems to have injury problems late into the season is so laughably and purposefully ignorant to me which is why people have been accusing you of having an agenda. Also last year's injuries were 3 sprained ankles... How you want to blame that on Thibs is beyond me :lol:? Next time Thibs won't have Julius,IQ and Brunson step in the wrong direction... Also those Bulls teams not making the finals had more to do with Rose having his knee blow up 3 years into his career...If you want to blame Thibs for that go ahead... but it's probably not rooted in any sports science fact just FYI.

Let's take a look at just some recent non-Thibs examples nevermind older ones:

KD/Kyrie/Harden Nets
Pre-Finals run Nuggets always dealt with injuries
Lakers with AD/Bron
Embiid Sixers
Clippers
Grizzlies this year have been ravaged by injuries
End of KD Warriors
Kyrie in the finals for the Cavs

Point being injuries are a part of the game everywhere. A lot of it simply comes down to timing of injuries and when they occur more than anything. Thibs may play a part I can concede that at least a little for sure but, this idea that he's some terrorist who ruins the health bill everywhere he goes is far fetched. Every team has dealt with injuries especially come playoff time. The players flat out tell us this. Some can play through more than others. Don't think Thibs is especially worse with this than anyone else. Generally speaking even with the injuries his teams have always either over achieved or performed to realistic expectations come playoff time IMO.
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Post#328 » by mpharris36 » Tue Mar 19, 2024 6:27 pm

Capn'O wrote:Leon did snag Brunson... so maybe he gets more cookies than simply presiding. I doubt he was heavy into getting, say, Deuce McBride though.


no but they specifically targeted Walt Perrin to run the draft...and when he was in Utah he had a pretty good draft record in terms of figuring out tough players that would thrive in playing in Utah (because that is a different animal then NY) but I think the same principles can apply. Trying to find players that wont be distracted and live and breath basketball....
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Post#329 » by moocow007 » Tue Mar 19, 2024 6:35 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:Don't be cowards everyone. Answer my question regarding who is the true architect of this Knick team. Put your answer down for posterity.


The true architect?

I mean the same way you have to blame the FO for building a poor team you have to credit the FO for building a terrific team. That doesn't mean betting the house on a championship (nor that they've not made mistakes) but I'd have to say after some rough bumps Rose and his team has managed to put together a cast of characters the sum of which are better than the individual parts. Some luck and right guesses thrown in.

So have to go with Rose (and his team) as the primary architect. But as anyone that actually has watched this game for decades and decades a front office can't win without the right coach and players, just like a coach can't win with the right front office or players nor superstar win without the right front office or coach. So should credit Thibs for sure (there are more talented teams that aren't winning and looked like they're running a couple wheels short) as well as their players (Brunson obviously leading that).

So yeah, Rose for building the team, Thibs for coaching the heck out of this team and players like Brunson and Hart for leading this team on the floor and setting the winning tone.

At the end of the day folks don't realize that MJ (the GOAT) didn't win by himself (he needed the right coach and the right teammates), Red Auerbach didn't win by himself as the coach (he had more all-star/super-star level players on his teams than any other team by far), etc,. It takes everything and everyone to architect a winner.

Also before anyone has a conniption, it doesn't mean the Knicks are the best architected team, Rose the best decision maker, Thibs the best coach or Brunson the best player. Just means that they have all 3 parts that are key to building great teams doing real well.
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Post#330 » by aromeoj » Tue Mar 19, 2024 6:36 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:Since Thibs is a mediocre loser who elevates nothing and his ability to f*ck up as a front office executive is well documented from his time in Minnesota, and Leon Rose is a pastrami eating clown who leaves basketball decisions to others, who is the architect of of the current Knick team, whose vision are we seeing in system\player acquisition?

Because the Knicks certainly have "types" when it comes to role players.

I get that because Brunson is so good, he's elevating the role players, and Brunson has ties to both Leon and Thibs, and it's possible that him being on the team and making it so good is a combination of scouting, type, and possibly luck revolving around CAA ties etc.

But deciding to add the Villanova cats, with their tenacity and commitment to winning above stats etc, adding a tough passing center in iHart who is an excellent fit with them, dealing out real young talent in RJ and IQ for a perfectly fitting piece in OG, keeping McBride over Grimes, the theoretical benefit of Bogs being added, all this is someone's vision.

Aller is supposed to the capologist, the money guy, the valuation guy. That's in support of the vision.

Perrin is supposed to be the college scouting guru. Is he providing input on the pro level? Is he the main driver of which players are acquired?

Zanin, occasionally maligned on here, is pro player scouting. Is this his work?

Is it Rosas? We know he advocated for iHart. Strong pimp hand for a consultant if this is all him.

Is it Thibs, with the main vision, as the executives in the front office dance for this puppet master?
Excellent work for Mr Mediocrity, so called.

Or is it all the result of a committee? Seems unlikely based on anyone's experience working on committees


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First and foremost, the players on the court, including stars and role players alike, are the ones executing strategies and making the plays that lead to wins. Jalen Brunson's outstanding performances certainly elevate the team, but his success, and by extension the team's, hinges on the synergy with his teammates, including the tenacity of the Villanova alumni and the strategic fit of players like iHart and OG. This chemistry doesn't happen by accident; it's cultivated through careful player selection and development. Also players are learning how to play this way for the first time and it is contagious.

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Post#332 » by stuporman » Tue Mar 19, 2024 6:40 pm

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stuporman wrote:It will be funny when Rose trades for Mitchell(or KAT) and moves Thibs upstairs to promote Bryant then everyone will be happy...right? Right? Everyone will be happy...stfu I said everyone will be happy...I mean...and you will like it.


Ha. I would be nervous. Maybe Thibs has learned something about how to be a good exec but the first go-around was not good.


He will be a coaching exec, he would supervise all coaching activities from his film goon cave.
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Post#333 » by Capn'O » Tue Mar 19, 2024 6:42 pm

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Capn'O wrote:Leon did snag Brunson... so maybe he gets more cookies than simply presiding. I doubt he was heavy into getting, say, Deuce McBride though.


no but they specifically targeted Walt Perrin to run the draft...and when he was in Utah he had a pretty good draft record in terms of figuring out tough players that would thrive in playing in Utah (because that is a different animal then NY) but I think the same principles can apply. Trying to find players that wont be distracted and live and breath basketball....


Then the addition of Rosas has tightened our trade and FA targets. Aller keeps the numbers aligned.

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Post#334 » by Capn'O » Tue Mar 19, 2024 6:42 pm

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stuporman wrote:It will be funny when Rose trades for Mitchell(or KAT) and moves Thibs upstairs to promote Bryant then everyone will be happy...right? Right? Everyone will be happy...stfu I said everyone will be happy...I mean...and you will like it.


Ha. I would be nervous. Maybe Thibs has learned something about how to be a good exec but the first go-around was not good.


He will be a coaching exec, he would supervise all coaching activities from his film goon cave.


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Post#335 » by sol537 » Tue Mar 19, 2024 6:44 pm

The Bogs + Burks trade gives me some pause but nearly everything else the NYK brain trust has done since Rose has taken over has been tremendous for us and turned us into a contender (when healthy). Incredible. Rose can keep the keys for the next 5-10 years as far as I'm concerned.
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Post#337 » by mpharris36 » Tue Mar 19, 2024 7:02 pm

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Capn'O wrote:Leon did snag Brunson... so maybe he gets more cookies than simply presiding. I doubt he was heavy into getting, say, Deuce McBride though.


no but they specifically targeted Walt Perrin to run the draft...and when he was in Utah he had a pretty good draft record in terms of figuring out tough players that would thrive in playing in Utah (because that is a different animal then NY) but I think the same principles can apply. Trying to find players that wont be distracted and live and breath basketball....


Then the addition of Rosas has tightened our trade and FA targets. Aller keeps the numbers aligned.

It's a good group.


it is...there are a lot of cooks in the kitchen but they seem to be working well together.
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Post#338 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Mar 19, 2024 7:04 pm

RHODEY wrote:Three huge wins on the road while severely unmanned and we find something to bitch about... :D

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Post#339 » by stuporman » Tue Mar 19, 2024 7:05 pm

When the Knicks lose to the Celtics in 6 in the second round on the Celtics way to losing in the finals to the Nuggets all summer long it will be said it's Thibs fault...not anything else, just Thibs.

This will also inspire Rose to make that 'star' trade for one of the two hurting players available(DMitch/KAT) and that will rekindle the Thibs runs his players into the ground debate so warn of the impending doom.
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Post#340 » by Capn'O » Tue Mar 19, 2024 7:14 pm

Knicksfan1992 wrote:What's really dawned on me post trade deadline this season is how well Leon has adjusted this roster's fit and cohesion while making fairly minimal talent upgrades in the process.

Last year the Heat exposed the Knicks as a team who could really only win if they could out tough you. The Heat matched the physicality of the Knicks and ultimately won because the Knicks did not have the requisite pieces to adjust their strategy to win.

Now Curry said it last night... This Knicks roster even as currently constructed at not 100% health has an answer for almost anything you can throw at them.

You want to try to bully ball us? Fine here's a Precious/IHart frontcourt that can bang with anyone down low.

You want to try and space us out and attack us that way? Here's Hart/OG/Precious at the 3/4/5 mucking up any guard or wings advantage you seem to think to have.

You wanna blitz Brunson? IHart is going to torch you on the short roll because he has great vision and the Knicks have enough shooting to keep the help honest.

You wanna drop on Brunson? Pull ups for days.

You think your lead ball handler can attack us in the pick and roll? Great! Here's Deuce smothering said option...

There's just no way to really tactically take advantage of this Knicks team as currently constructed and I can say that with full confidence and it's a credit to Leon and the FO learning from either missteps in the past and correcting them in the best way possible or seeing the limitations of the young players they had and moving them on for better fitting pieces.

If you're going to beat this team, you're going to need a helluva lot of talent and be on point for 48 minutes because even if we're not the most talented team in the league we may just be the most deep and versatile one and that can be just as deadly.


This is a great point and doesn't even account for what we can do with Randle who can alternate as a bully or a spacer and helps give us a massive advantage on the boards vs. most spacing teams. We're a tough team for anyone but he makes us a tough team for Boston if he can get his head on right in the playoffs.
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