Around the NBA - Continuation... AND one!

[Spree2Houston]

You guys have to see that the Cavs would not accept this.

Deuce is a solid young player, but not the centerpiece to a star trade.

Bojan is 35, injured, and clearly declining. He’s basically salary filler.

Mitch is always injured, overweight, and has not developed. They also have Allen and Mobley so he’d have to be shipped to a 3rd team.

While our picks would theoretically be late 1sts for the next 5 years, so not much value unless we give up picks way down the line.

The only way getting Donovan makes some sense is to trade Julius for him, since we wouldn’t have enough defense or shots for everyone otherwise. Gotta throw Deuce in too since his role would be gone anyway.

So Julius and Deuce for Donovan. However the Cavs have to make a decision on the Allen/Mobley front court, because obviously Julius would need to start or be traded to a 3rd team.

Like I keep saying, I think we will just run it back with Julius. Maybe add Rokas and another wing. See what we can get for Mitch, Deuce, and Bojan but unless a superstar demands out I dont see much there for us.

To add on to this

Why would Cleveland take a package ( Bojan, Mitch and picks) where it would make their team weaker which would simultaneously hand over superior picks to Ainge and Cleveland receiving inferior picks from NY because we would be picking low. Someone explain the logic lol

The logic is as simple as this... Spida says he's opting out and becoming a free agent... every day that passes, his value drops further and everyone knows he wants NYK so the teams willing to give up bigger packages dwindle to near zero.

What did TOR get for Siakam?

Toronto had the cap space to go after Siakam in FA. So in this scenario it made sense to trade Siakam before he hit FA. He was going to walk and sign in Indy.

Right now only Philly, OKC and Utah have cap space at the end of 2024-2025. Philly is going use it all up this off season and I don’t expect OKC or Utah (lol) would be interested in Mitchell. The same threat doesn’t exist for Cleveland in this scenario where they have to trade him or let him walk for nothing. There’s no team that pose that threat to them.

If he does go, it’ll be in a sign and trade where some team (Brooklyn) will overpay for him

[Kidknick!]

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What a postseason full of whiny little BITCHES, this dude gets breathed on and a foul is called. Look at the numbers, these coaches and players are just looking to get their pussies powdered.

Jesus Christ. What a bunch of pansies, the whole **** lot of em'.

[sol537]

I think this is Spida's last time in a Cleveland uniform. Where he goes... let's see this off-season... maybe Brooklyn, maybe NYK, maybe Miami...

[stuporman]

Cleveland vs Indianapolis in Eastern Finals.

Silver's wet dream.

The rumble in the bunghole

[Wildcat]

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That's an embarrassing response.

[stuporman]

I think Miami might be one of the few places other than Knicks DMitch would want to go, I can't see him wanting Brooklyn. He has no emotional tie to that team and that franchise is a mess but at least Miami has Riley with the history of him building playoff teams.

With Miami in the mix that's the only way the price gets driven up, maybe an outside shot of LAL/LAC trying to get in on it but he wants to be closer to family, not further. If Cleveland thinks Herro is the best asset and not another bad fit in the back court, it might cost the Knicks more draft capital to beat it.

[sol537]

Perhaps, with the emergence of DDV, we instead use Randle for an upgrade ad SF or PF… Mikal? Giannis? KD? PG13? So many directions…

[matchman]

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That's an embarrassing response.

From D.Rose super team claim being dissed to this season's East conf number 1 team's golden boy denying themselves as a super team?

I think this playoff has exposed a bunch of overpaid betas.

[TrueWarrior]

Perhaps, with the emergence of DDV, we instead use Randle for an upgrade ad SF or PF… Mikal? Giannis? KD? PG13? So many directions…

Sol you’re my guy and I know you love your trade scenarios, but you were ready to ship Donte out last week lol. Let’s see how the playoffs finish.

Julius being traded may be an option at some point but I think his injury puts a damper on that for now, and we probably want to see if January was a fluke first before we think about moving him.

[KnicksGod]

I was thinking about a stretch offense. Pretty much every player sets up behind the arc. And that works to create space for some easy 2's, especially if you hit your 3's, and especially early in the game. But as the game tightens and defenses collapse on drives, the space created is actually outweighed by the extra time you give the defense to collapse and recover.

You obviously still need motion and pressure on the defense inside, something the Knicks are doing well right now, and you can still kick it back for 3's.

If you've got a guy like Jaylen Brown, who can hit 3's and get hot but was basically unstoppable to the rim last night and can be inconsistent from 3, it can be a major detriment.

You can mitigate that with motion and passing, but you can also not have all your guys start at the arc, especially not a guy like Jaylen Brown. You're stagnating but you're also giving the defense more time to collapse on him and take away what was an unstoppable drive.

To me they basically handed the Cavs the win by staying in stretch mode. Why do all of your scorers need to initiate from behind the arc? That's pretty silly.

[nykballa2k4]

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That's an embarrassing response.

Talk about a weak statement.

Tatum man... do better...

[nykballa2k4]

I was thinking about a stretch offense. Pretty much every player sets up behind the arc. And that works to create space for some easy 2's, especially if you hit your 3's, and especially early in the game. But as the game tightens and defenses collapse on drives, the space created is actually outweighed by the extra time you give the defense to collapse and recover.

You obviously still need motion and pressure on the defense inside, something the Knicks are doing well right now, and you can still kick it back for 3's.

If you've got a guy like Jaylen Brown, who can hit 3's and get hot but was basically unstoppable to the rim last night and can be inconsistent from 3, it can be a major detriment.

You can mitigate that with motion and drives, but you can also not have all your guys start at the arc, especially not a guy like Jaylen Brown. You're stagnating but you're also giving the defense more time to collapse on him and take away what was an unstoppable drive.

To me they basically handed the Cavs the win by staying in stretch mode. Why do all of your scorers need to stand behind the arc? That's pretty silly.

I think "Stretch mode" is brilliant. You have to diversify for sure - and I think that was your point, but to be able to load the perimeter and pick/choose your 1:1 match ups is deadly.

The big thing I notice is that Kornet who we knew as the Korn-icorn or tall Novak, has 0 3 pointers over 2 games. If he ain't banging 3's, he isn't useful. The adjustment has to be to find HIM for 3's, or to use another big off the bench who can get boards/extra possessions.

Overall, Celtics seem to have an effort/hunger problem. I think Cavs steal one more before it's said and done, but I think the C's have 3 games where it's largely noncompetitive unless Allen comes back. If Allen comes back, I would like to see how Tatum deals with Mobley and vise-versa.

[Context]

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That's an embarrassing response.

From D.Rose super team claim being dissed to this season's East conf number 1 team's golden boy denying themselves as a super team?

I think this playoff has exposed a bunch of overpaid betas.

except for this 22 year old

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I know from a personal source that Kat is an **** and for Antman- at 22 to get Towns to follow him
and let him lead- this is why I believe Minny will win it all this year- IF the Nova boy dont somehow find their way in the finals
and upset them which I doubt...

[KnicksGod]

I was thinking about a stretch offense. Pretty much every player sets up behind the arc. And that works to create space for some easy 2's, especially if you hit your 3's, and especially early in the game. But as the game tightens and defenses collapse on drives, the space created is actually outweighed by the extra time you give the defense to collapse and recover.

You obviously still need motion and pressure on the defense inside, something the Knicks are doing well right now, and you can still kick it back for 3's.

If you've got a guy like Jaylen Brown, who can hit 3's and get hot but was basically unstoppable to the rim last night and can be inconsistent from 3, it can be a major detriment.

You can mitigate that with motion and drives, but you can also not have all your guys start at the arc, especially not a guy like Jaylen Brown. You're stagnating but you're also giving the defense more time to collapse on him and take away what was an unstoppable drive.

To me they basically handed the Cavs the win by staying in stretch mode. Why do all of your scorers need to stand behind the arc? That's pretty silly.

I think "Stretch mode" is brilliant. You have to diversify for sure - and I think that was your point, but to be able to load the perimeter and pick/choose your 1:1 match ups is deadly.

The big thing I notice is that Kornet who we knew as the Korn-icorn or tall Novak, has 0 3 pointers over 2 games. If he ain't banging 3's, he isn't useful. The adjustment has to be to find HIM for 3's, or to use another big off the bench who can get boards/extra possessions.

Overall, Celtics seem to have an effort/hunger problem. I think Cavs steal one more before it's said and done, but I think the C's have 3 games where it's largely noncompetitive unless Allen comes back. If Allen comes back, I would like to see how Tatum deals with Mobley and vise-versa.

All that is true. But you lean into what Brown was doing at the cup and have him create kickouts. Instead he's launching 3's. Obviously they were behind at that point.

What you say is true but there's also a level of stagnation and collapsing on drives that will kill the stretch in random ways.

In this case, I think it's as simple as one thing is working to a very overwhelming extent. Don't go away from it because stretch and 3's is "modern."

[nykballa2k4]

I was thinking about a stretch offense. Pretty much every player sets up behind the arc. And that works to create space for some easy 2's, especially if you hit your 3's, and especially early in the game. But as the game tightens and defenses collapse on drives, the space created is actually outweighed by the extra time you give the defense to collapse and recover.

You obviously still need motion and pressure on the defense inside, something the Knicks are doing well right now, and you can still kick it back for 3's.

If you've got a guy like Jaylen Brown, who can hit 3's and get hot but was basically unstoppable to the rim last night and can be inconsistent from 3, it can be a major detriment.

You can mitigate that with motion and drives, but you can also not have all your guys start at the arc, especially not a guy like Jaylen Brown. You're stagnating but you're also giving the defense more time to collapse on him and take away what was an unstoppable drive.

To me they basically handed the Cavs the win by staying in stretch mode. Why do all of your scorers need to stand behind the arc? That's pretty silly.

I think "Stretch mode" is brilliant. You have to diversify for sure - and I think that was your point, but to be able to load the perimeter and pick/choose your 1:1 match ups is deadly.

The big thing I notice is that Kornet who we knew as the Korn-icorn or tall Novak, has 0 3 pointers over 2 games. If he ain't banging 3's, he isn't useful. The adjustment has to be to find HIM for 3's, or to use another big off the bench who can get boards/extra possessions.

Overall, Celtics seem to have an effort/hunger problem. I think Cavs steal one more before it's said and done, but I think the C's have 3 games where it's largely noncompetitive unless Allen comes back. If Allen comes back, I would like to see how Tatum deals with Mobley and vise-versa.

All that is true. But you lean into what Brown was doing at the cup and have him create kickouts. Instead he's launching 3's. Obviously they were behind at that point.

What you say is true but there's also a level of stagnation and collapsing on drives that will kill the stretch in random ways.

In this case, I think it's as simple as one thing is working to a very overwhelming extent. Don't go away from it because stretch and 3's is "modern."

I agree. It's like everything else, you have to still keep guys engaged, you can't get predicable, and you can't settle for an okay shot if you can get a great one.

[Clyde_Style]

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That's an embarrassing response.

Talk about a weak statement.

Tatum man... do better...

Tatum is a star talent, but he is not an alpha.

The Celtics have relied on other guys to drive them like Smart and now White

and this is where the Celtics are vulnerable, because championship teams typically are led by their supposed best player or star, not a role player

maybe White is their best player at this moment, but that is not the super team narrative that has been pushed about the Celtics after they added Holiday and KP

Tatum or Brown will need to impose their wills for them to ever get a ring and neither one seems to be that kind of guy. They just have spurts where they dominate, but the same can be said for dozens of talents in the NBA

[nykballa2k4]

That's an embarrassing response.

Talk about a weak statement.

Tatum man... do better...

Tatum is a star talent, but he is not an alpha.

The Celtics have relied on other guys to drive them like Smart and now White

and this is where the Celtics are vulnerable, because championship teams typically are led by their supposed best player or star, not a role player

maybe White is their best player at this moment, but that is not the super team narrative that has been pushed about the Celtics after they added Holiday and KP

Tatum or Brown will need to impose their wills for them to ever get a ring and neither one seems to be that kind of guy. They just have spurts where they dominate, but the same can be said for dozens of talents in the NBA

Kinda like LeBron in that way. Just some games he looks disengaged for whatever reason.

[Clyde_Style]

Talk about a weak statement.

Tatum man... do better...

Tatum is a star talent, but he is not an alpha.

The Celtics have relied on other guys to drive them like Smart and now White

and this is where the Celtics are vulnerable, because championship teams typically are led by their supposed best player or star, not a role player

maybe White is their best player at this moment, but that is not the super team narrative that has been pushed about the Celtics after they added Holiday and KP

Tatum or Brown will need to impose their wills for them to ever get a ring and neither one seems to be that kind of guy. They just have spurts where they dominate, but the same can be said for dozens of talents in the NBA

Kinda like LeBron in that way. Just some games he looks disengaged for whatever reason.

whatever anyone wants to say about Lebron, he has hardware (and in at least one case leading a less talented team) that Tatum may never get

[RHODEY]

That's an embarrassing response.

Talk about a weak statement.

Tatum man... do better...

Tatum is a star talent, but he is not an alpha.

The Celtics have relied on other guys to drive them like Smart and now White

and this is where the Celtics are vulnerable, because championship teams typically are led by their supposed best player or star, not a role player

maybe White is their best player at this moment, but that is not the super team narrative that has been pushed about the Celtics after they added Holiday and KP

Tatum or Brown will need to impose their wills for them to ever get a ring and neither one seems to be that kind of guy. They just have spurts where they dominate, but the same can be said for dozens of talents in the NBA

They might get Lucky like the Bubble Lakers and just have weak/compromised talent almost the whole way through...that way they can coast on their talent without ever having to be tested.

... But then again the teams left in the West are al pretty tough. Out of all of them, Maybe Minny had the best chance to beat the Celts?

[thebuzzardman]

I think this is Spida's last time in a Cleveland uniform. Where he goes... let's see this off-season... maybe Brooklyn, maybe NYK, maybe Miami...

Buzztrodamus says 3 team trade, where Knicks get Bridges, Nets get Mitchell, and Cavs get stuff and picks.