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Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2024 7:14 pm
by mpharris36
jvsimonetti0514 wrote:mpharris36 wrote:jvsimonetti0514 wrote:I just hope if we draft JJ, we don’t trade up for him.
I don't really care about a trade up or not. Just get the pick right. If its a QB, and they get that pick right. No one will care about the trade up.
Don't think anyone goes back and say damn I wish we didn't trade with chargers to get Eli?
I do think it’s a little bit different to trade up for the “top rated QB” in the draft vs the guy that’s stock has dramatically rose after the season ended. I’m sure Eli’s numbers/tape were more impressive and having that pedigree helped too. That’s where a lot of my apprehension is coming from. Maybe it works out but it be better if it works out and we get to keep the extra picks.
unfortunately with this being a top heavy QB class and a lot of teams near the top of the draft needing QB's...I don't think you will be able to sit comfortably and pick a QB. That is just the nature of the beast.
Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2024 7:19 pm
by 3toheadmelo
how much of an upgrade is drake maye over daniel jones.. explain in nba terms thanks
Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2024 7:21 pm
by blueNorange
3toheadmelo wrote:how much of an upgrade is drake maye over daniel jones.. explain in nba terms thanks
it’s very little to do with that and more to do with resetting the cap and giving the new regime their own qb
if the qb is good, you now have a cheap contact and can now afford an elite player like ayuik.
jones can be very good if he had ayuik, but you can’t afford both and jones is an injury liability
Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2024 7:25 pm
by mpharris36
yea the biggest part of anything like this is resetting the QB clock in terms of the salary cap. You now can load up in other areas for the next few years before you have to pay your QB like 20-25% of the salary cap.
Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2024 7:29 pm
by 3toheadmelo
blueNorange wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:how much of an upgrade is drake maye over daniel jones.. explain in nba terms thanks
it’s very little to do with that and more to do with resetting the cap and giving the new regime their own qb
if the qb is good, you now have a cheap contact and can now afford an elite player like ayuik.
jones can be very good if he had ayuik, but you can’t afford both and jones is an injury liability
i get that. but i just wanna know from strict playing comparison both healthy who is better. just curious that's all
Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2024 7:30 pm
by Ghetto Gospel
3toheadmelo wrote:how much of an upgrade is drake maye over daniel jones.. explain in nba terms thanks
lowkey, they're kinda similar from a size/athleticism except drake maye has a cannon arm when daniel jones doesn't, and i guess he's younger so more moldable.
think like upgrading from porzingis to chet
Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2024 7:32 pm
by DOT
Ghetto Gospel wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:how much of an upgrade is drake maye over daniel jones.. explain in nba terms thanks
lowkey, they're kinda similar from a size/athleticism except drake maye has a cannon arm when daniel jones doesn't, and i guess he's younger so more moldable.
think like upgrading from porzingis to chet
Dragan Bender and Jabari Smith Jr.
Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2024 7:34 pm
by 3toheadmelo
Ghetto Gospel wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:how much of an upgrade is drake maye over daniel jones.. explain in nba terms thanks
lowkey, they're kinda similar from a size/athleticism except drake maye has a cannon arm when daniel jones doesn't, and i guess he's younger so more moldable.
think like upgrading from porzingis to chet
thanks for the nba comp. sounds like maye would be a good move then
Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2024 7:38 pm
by Ghetto Gospel
3toheadmelo wrote:Ghetto Gospel wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:how much of an upgrade is drake maye over daniel jones.. explain in nba terms thanks
lowkey, they're kinda similar from a size/athleticism except drake maye has a cannon arm when daniel jones doesn't, and i guess he's younger so more moldable.
think like upgrading from porzingis to chet
thanks for the nba comp. sounds like maye would be a good move then
depends on what you giving up though. picks in the nfl are way more valuable than the nba and moving up from 6 to 3 is really expensive
Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2024 7:39 pm
by TerrenceClarke
3toheadmelo wrote:Ghetto Gospel wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:how much of an upgrade is drake maye over daniel jones.. explain in nba terms thanks
lowkey, they're kinda similar from a size/athleticism except drake maye has a cannon arm when daniel jones doesn't, and i guess he's younger so more moldable.
think like upgrading from porzingis to chet
thanks for the nba comp. sounds like maye would be a good move then
Explain to me what J Cole did in in NBA terms...Thanks.
Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2024 7:40 pm
by MrDollarBills
DOT wrote:Ghetto Gospel wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:how much of an upgrade is drake maye over daniel jones.. explain in nba terms thanks
lowkey, they're kinda similar from a size/athleticism except drake maye has a cannon arm when daniel jones doesn't, and i guess he's younger so more moldable.
think like upgrading from porzingis to chet
Dragan Bender and Jabari Smith Jr.
Now we're talking
Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2024 7:42 pm
by 3toheadmelo
Ghetto Gospel wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Ghetto Gospel wrote:
lowkey, they're kinda similar from a size/athleticism except drake maye has a cannon arm when daniel jones doesn't, and i guess he's younger so more moldable.
think like upgrading from porzingis to chet
thanks for the nba comp. sounds like maye would be a good move then
depends on what you giving up though. picks in the nfl are way more valuable than the nba and moving up from 6 to 3 is really expensive
is it possible he can drop to 6
Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2024 7:43 pm
by mpharris36
3toheadmelo wrote:Ghetto Gospel wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:thanks for the nba comp. sounds like maye would be a good move then
depends on what you giving up though. picks in the nfl are way more valuable than the nba and moving up from 6 to 3 is really expensive
is it possible he can drop to 6
not with how many QB hungry teams are in the the top of the draft
at this point the first 4 picks could be QB's
Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2024 7:44 pm
by MrDollarBills
I really don't want to pass up one of these WRs just to reset the clock and we end up taking a lesser talented QB just to fill a need. But I trust Schoen and Daboll so I gotta see what they do, if they think McCarthy or Maye are the guys, so be it. I just feel like if we're picking QB top 6 it has to be day 1 starter.
Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2024 7:50 pm
by Ghetto Gospel
MrDollarBills wrote:I really don't want to pass up one of these WRs just to reset the clock and we end up taking a lesser talented QB just to fill a need. But I trust Schoen and Daboll so I gotta see what they do, if they think McCarthy or Maye are the guys, so be it. I just feel like if we're picking QB top 6 it has to be day 1 starter.
same, i'm team take malik nabers or trade down with the vikings
Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2024 7:54 pm
by 3toheadmelo
TerrenceClarke wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Ghetto Gospel wrote:
lowkey, they're kinda similar from a size/athleticism except drake maye has a cannon arm when daniel jones doesn't, and i guess he's younger so more moldable.
think like upgrading from porzingis to chet
thanks for the nba comp. sounds like maye would be a good move then
Explain to me what J Cole did in in NBA terms...Thanks.
closest thing i can think of
Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2024 9:20 pm
by Luv those Knicks
bishnykfan wrote:I’d be fine taking a QB if we stay at #6. I’m not an expert obviously but from what I’ve read and seen I’m not in love with any QB in the draft other than Daniels. But considering the importance of the position it’s worth the gamble if we stay at #6. McCarthy and/or Maye would be fine at that spot.
I’m not trading up and giving up this years second and next years first though to get the fourth QB in this draft class. I’d be fine sticking at 6 and taking Nabers or Odunze if four QBs are taking in the top five.
Shouldn't that be this year's first and next year's second?
They trade #6 for #4 and to do that, they give up 2025 2nd rounder, or something similar, maybe a 3rd or 4th rounder too. Too much more than that, it gets too expensive. If the Giants give up next year's #1 - which has a shot at being top 4 overall, and #6 for this year's 4 - that would be dumb.
I don't feel strongly against trading up. I think it would be weird for Danial Jones to be playing, knowing it's his final year with the GIants, but he wouldn't be the first QB to do that. He'll also be playing for a contract as a free agent, so he'll have some motivation.
Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2024 9:21 pm
by Deeeez Knicks
3toheadmelo wrote:how much of an upgrade is drake maye over daniel jones.. explain in nba terms thanks
Daniel Jones is Frank with a 3 year max extension
Not sure what Maye could be
Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2024 9:28 pm
by Luv those Knicks
3toheadmelo wrote:Ghetto Gospel wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:how much of an upgrade is drake maye over daniel jones.. explain in nba terms thanks
lowkey, they're kinda similar from a size/athleticism except drake maye has a cannon arm when daniel jones doesn't, and i guess he's younger so more moldable.
think like upgrading from porzingis to chet
thanks for the nba comp. sounds like maye would be a good move then
Except Maye is an unknown. That's the risk.
And comparisons are hard, so respect. I think that's a solid comp, but in that comp, Daniel Jones is Porzingas? No. Just no. I'm trying to think of a good comp but I can't think of one. Maybe RJ Barrett is closer. Had moments, but ultimately disappointed as a Knick. He looked better as a Raptor.
and RJ might be too good for a comp. (Daniel Jones isn't Frank Nikita - come on now). He had one good season and won a playoff game and often looked OK, if unimpressive and he rarely had a good team around him. Closer to a kind of average player, the problem is, it's hard to win with joe average at QB.
Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2024 9:30 pm
by 3toheadmelo
Deeeez Knicks wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:how much of an upgrade is drake maye over daniel jones.. explain in nba terms thanks
Daniel Jones is Frank with a 3 year max extension
Not sure what Maye could be
