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I wouldn't do bargs for rondo straight up.

Zooropa wrote:So Melo and JR both have trade kickers (15% I think) that the Knicks would have to pay if they were traded. Does that count against the cap?

Y the f would we have given jr a trade kicker?

mugzi wrote:

Zooropa wrote:So Melo and JR both have trade kickers (15% I think) that the Knicks would have to pay if they were traded. Does that count against the cap?

Y the f would we have given jr a trade kicker?

Believe it or not, JR at 3/18 was actually a good contract at the time

He was coming off an 18/5/3 season on decent efficiency with decent defense. We just didn't have the foresight to see it was all a contract year facade, compounded by knee issues that have taken away a good chunk of his athleticism

I never liked the deal personally and Im not tryna play monday morning qb. I just always saw JR for what he is, a low iq, knucklehead. Trading him for an expiring would be a major win. We're not getting assets for him and he wont opt out early.

can some one please tell me how much cap we are gooing to have after this year?

Houston99 wrote:can some one please tell me how much cap we are gooing to have after this year?

If we renounce all free agents besides Shumpert? I'm pretty sure just under $20 Million, but don't quote me.

we really need to trade jr for an expiring thats going to make a diffrence for us.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nbas- ... ojections/

The best and worst case cap projectionsfor every team with the cap at 67 million. If the cap is going above 80 in 2016, not sure how it won't go to at least 70 this summer.

New York Knicks
Best: 26.4 million
Worst: 12.9 million

"Worst case includes JR opt in & cap holds for Shump & Acy"

We are desperate for help and we're going to have Calderon / JR / THJ / Prigs / Shump, all who are not starters on a contender, taking up 22 million at the minimum.

Yikes. Sell them all if you can Zen Master! No need to have this many one way guards on one roster while preventing us from adding quality two way talent via FA.

Yikes.

I have two questions. first: what are the cap holds for shump and acy? and second, are the $1,181,348 for acy next year a team option (hoopshype) or a qualifying offer (basketballinsider). thx !

Not sure if the question belongs here, but why is everybody on this forum trying to move the expering contracts and hoping to get back picks AND expirings? For TPE?

The second thing is lets say we are targeting Monroe for next year or any other fa who's not in a conderder, would it be more beneficial to trade for them to allows us to go over cap during free agency?

Thanks

Hmmm, are Milsap and Horford out of reach now with Atlanta's success?

Knicks Potential Plan:

1) Renounce rights to Quincy Acy, Amare Stoudemire, Andrea Bargnani, Jason Smith (this is obvious for cap hold purposes)

2) Pick up Prigionis final year (he's only 1.7mil and we need cheap bench depth) and Cleanthony Early's team option

3) Don't renounce Cole Aldrich. His cap hold is only about 950k. I believe we can hold on to him, sign whatever stars we need and THEN negotiate with him because we have bird rights on him. He will probably ask for more than 950k but that's fine because by then we wont need cap space (can someone confirm whether this is possible?)

4) Draft Jahlil Okafor (I know this is unlikely but let's assume Knicks get #1 pick so we can have the most conservative estimate of cap space for free agency). The #1 pick last year received $5,510,640 but because cap will go up, lets assume it will be an even $5,800,000. Obviously there's a good chance we end up with a lower pick, I'd be cool with Towns too.

Payroll:

Carmelo Anthony: $22,875,000
Jose Calderon: $7,402,812
Jahill Okafor: $5,800,000
Pablo Prigioni: $1,734,572
Tim Hardaway Jr: $1,675,320
Cleanthony Early: $845,059
Cole Aldrich (cap hold): $950,000
6 Cap Holds: $525,093 x 6 = $3,150,558

Projected Total: $44,433,321
Projected Salary Cap: $68,000,000 (this is not set in stone but it appears there will be a good bump in cap this summer)
Projected Salary Space: $23,566,679

5) Sign Wesley Matthews ($10 mil a year) and DeAndre Jordan ($14 mil a year). I know the projected cap is $23,566,679 and the contracts I just said is $24mil but thats the AVERAGE salary over the span of a few years. Their first year's salary will be a good amount less than $24mil and there will be raises every year. In fact, when you factor in the BASE salary and the fact that each player we sign gets rid of one cap hold, we can actually pay these guys a bit more if need be.

I would have loved to say Butler and Gasol but I don't see any player who would get the max either way on contenders come over here for the same money (or even less money cause of that extra year they can get in their original team).

6) Even once we use all our cap space (or most of it), I believe we still get to use our MLE. However, we will have the "cap roomers MLE" which is only about $2.8 mil each year for 2 years. I'd use it on a scoring option off the bench like Scola or Boozer.

7) Round out rest of bench with some 2nd round picks, overseas prospects and veteran minimums for locker room leadership.

Starting Lineup:
PG: Jose Calderon
SG: Wesley Matthews
SF: Carmelo Anthony
PF: Jahlil Okafor
C: DeAndre Jordan

Bench:
PG: Pablo Prigioni
SG: Tim Hardaway Jr.
SF: Cleanthony Early
PF: Luis Scola
C: Cole Aldrich

would it be possible to give the the free agents one years deals but make the yearly rate a lot higher. i really dont think there is a really anybody in this years draft to commit to a long time except for butler and green.

so whats the # NY can spend this OS while still maintaining a max slot in 2016?

Pharmcat wrote:so whats the # NY can spend this OS while still maintaining a max slot in 2016?

Kinda hard to tell, the cap spike is supposed to happen for the 2016-17 season i think.

Just rounding off numbers, if the cap this offseason is near 70 mil, with the spike hitting 90 in 2016-17, there's at least 20-25 mil, and thats with using the cp space available this offseason. Just depends on the years attached to the contracts Phil signs off to.

Thugger HBC wrote:

Pharmcat wrote:so whats the # NY can spend this OS while still maintaining a max slot in 2016?

Kinda hard to tell, the cap spike is supposed to happen for the 2016-17 season i think.

Just rounding off numbers, if the cap this offseason is near 70 mil, with the spike hitting 90 in 2016-17, there's at least 20-25 mil, and thats with using the cp space available this offseason. Just depends on the years attached to the contracts Phil signs off to.

thanks

so the way to go seems like draft the pick and keep it, sign one max player this year, rest to one year deals and then attract another max player in 2016

Pharmcat wrote:

Thugger HBC wrote:

Pharmcat wrote:so whats the # NY can spend this OS while still maintaining a max slot in 2016?

Kinda hard to tell, the cap spike is supposed to happen for the 2016-17 season i think.

Just rounding off numbers, if the cap this offseason is near 70 mil, with the spike hitting 90 in 2016-17, there's at least 20-25 mil, and thats with using the cp space available this offseason. Just depends on the years attached to the contracts Phil signs off to.

thanks

so the way to go seems like draft the pick and keep it, sign one max player this year, rest to one year deals and then attract another max player in 2016

Keep the pick unless a deal that cant be refused pops up. Get solid players at what they do at slight overpays...none have to be a max player. One year deals imo are only for vets, this team isnt truly gonna be at that stage to have more than 1 of these.

Phil desperately needs to find 2 gems whether undrafted, d-league or overseas, and sign them to multi-year deals on the low with team options on those years with production guarantees for the player.

Basically, use this off seasons cap without going over by much if at all. Then enjoy a good season with a team that awaits it's next NIG fish in 2016 off season.

Do you think Thibodeau getting traded or fired will have any affect on Butler staying or leaving?

kej718 wrote:Do you think Thibodeau getting traded or fired will have any affect on Butler staying or leaving?

i think the r in his rfa status will have the most "affect"

Meat wrote:

kej718 wrote:Do you think Thibodeau getting traded or fired will have any affect on Butler staying or leaving?

i think the r in his rfa status will have the most "affect"

Forgot about that.