OT: Official Mets' 2024 Thread (p. 19)

HarthorneWingo · Post #81 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Mon Apr 3, 2023 4:29 pm

Luv those Knicks wrote:Escobar watch. He's 1 for 12. I'm rooting for him to snap out of it, but Baty could be the first callup if Escobar continues to struggle.

Nido might be one to watch too. Solid glove, but his bat is a question mark. I think Nido has a longer leash, however, as the backup.

It’s just one series. Escobar will get April and May. Same with Nido.

blueNorange · Post #82 » by **blueNorange** » Mon Apr 3, 2023 5:09 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Luv those Knicks wrote:Escobar watch. He's 1 for 12. I'm rooting for him to snap out of it, but Baty could be the first callup if Escobar continues to struggle.

Nido might be one to watch too. Solid glove, but his bat is a question mark. I think Nido has a longer leash, however, as the backup.

It’s just one series. Escobar will get April and May. Same with Nido.

no, he won't.

escobar had a terrible 2022 up until September.

this year escobar has baty in the rear view mirror, mets aren't gonna afford seeing escobar suck again for the entire season when you have baty in the minors.

giving escobar until june is what losing franchises do.

blueNorange · Post #83 » by **blueNorange** » Mon Apr 3, 2023 5:10 pm

also sometimes it takes one series to know a 34 year old is nearly toast.

HarthorneWingo · Post #84 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Mon Apr 3, 2023 5:24 pm

blueNorange wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Luv those Knicks wrote:Escobar watch. He's 1 for 12. I'm rooting for him to snap out of it, but Baty could be the first callup if Escobar continues to struggle.

Nido might be one to watch too. Solid glove, but his bat is a question mark. I think Nido has a longer leash, however, as the backup.

It’s just one series. Escobar will get April and May. Same with Nido.

no, he won't.

escobar had a terrible 2022 up until September.

this year escobar has baty in the rear view mirror, mets aren't gonna afford seeing escobar suck again for the entire season when you have baty in the minors.

giving escobar until june is what losing franchises do.

How’d we do last season in April and May?

I’ll wait.

blueNorange · Post #85 » by **blueNorange** » Mon Apr 3, 2023 9:41 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
blueNorange wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
It’s just one series. Escobar will get April and May. Same with Nido.

no, he won't.

escobar had a terrible 2022 up until September.

this year escobar has baty in the rear view mirror, mets aren't gonna afford seeing escobar suck again for the entire season when you have baty in the minors.

giving escobar until june is what losing franchises do.

How’d we do last season in April and May?

I’ll wait.

the year is 2023, last year means chit

HarthorneWingo · Post #86 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Mon Apr 3, 2023 10:12 pm

blueNorange wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
blueNorange wrote:no, he won't.

escobar had a terrible 2022 up until September.

this year escobar has baty in the rear view mirror, mets aren't gonna afford seeing escobar suck again for the entire season when you have baty in the minors.

giving escobar until june is what losing franchises do.

How’d we do last season in April and May?

I’ll wait.

the year is 2023, last year means chit

Well, the exact same situation that you're prognosticating now - because all you want to do is bring up players before they're ready - happened with Escobar happened last season and we were 58-35 at the All Star break last year. So yeah. Great call, Casey Stengel.

Oh, btw, where's Alvarez?

Post #87 » by **Luv those Knicks** » Tue Apr 4, 2023 1:37 am

I'm somewhere in the middle. It's not just whether Escobar struggles, but they also like Baty and could decide to give him a look.

Escobar in 2022 had a fine April: .253 / .378 / .425 / .807
A bad May & June: .210 / .240 / .355 / .595
A little better in July: .220 / .245 / .462 / .706 (6 homers in 22 games)
A terrible August: .177 / .222 / .235 / .458
And a strong finish, September & 4 games in October: .321 / .385 / .596 / .982 (8 homers in 30 games).

His April & Sept had high babips, so grain of salt. His poor stats had low babips.
He also had 15 of his 40 walks in April. 13 walks in his first 15 games after which his walk rate went way down.

Players can get hot or cold so all of this should be taken with a grain of salt but it's not just his 1 for 16 start this year, but also, his poor spring, his poor WBC, his age (34), that said Canha and Marte are both 34 and Pham is 35, but still, 34 is a concern. His sub 300 OBP last year. All are concerns.

The biggest factor is that Baty looks ready. Escobar won't get 2 months if he continues to struggle like this. Not with how much the Mets seem to believe in Baty. Nido probably gets 2 months, or longer. Escobar is one to watch. Baty could take his job in maybe 1-2 weeks. It wouldn't shock me if it was that quick.

They also have Danny Mendick in Syracuse who could slide into a reserve role.

blueNorange · Post #88 » by **blueNorange** » Tue Apr 4, 2023 2:22 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
blueNorange wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
How’d we do last season in April and May?

I’ll wait.

the year is 2023, last year means chit

Well, the exact same situation that you're prognosticating now - because all you want to do is bring up players before they're ready - happened with Escobar happened last season and we were 58-35 at the All Star break last year. So yeah. Great call, Casey Stengel.

Oh, btw, where's Alvarez?

except baty is ready, that’s why there’s already rumblings of escobar losing his job

look i’m done talking baseball with, you don’t do it well

HarthorneWingo · Post #89 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Tue Apr 4, 2023 6:48 pm

blueNorange wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
blueNorange wrote:the year is 2023, last year means chit

Well, the exact same situation that you're prognosticating now - because all you want to do is bring up players before they're ready - happened with Escobar happened last season and we were 58-35 at the All Star break last year. So yeah. Great call, Casey Stengel.

Oh, btw, where's Alvarez?

except baty is ready, that’s why there’s already rumblings of escobar losing his job

look i’m done talking baseball with, you don’t do it well

June 3, 2023

Jeffrey · Post #90 » by **Jeffrey** » Tue Apr 4, 2023 6:52 pm

When is that Super 2 rule or the date that gives you the extra FA year? That's when Baty is ready LOL

Post #91 » by **Luv those Knicks** » Tue Apr 4, 2023 7:31 pm

Jeffrey wrote:When is that Super 2 rule or the date that gives you the extra FA year? That's when Baty is ready LOL

If this was the Wilpons, then, sure. Cohen puts winning ahead of everything else. I'd be surprised if he waits that long on Baty, unless things change, like Escobar starts hitting .280 or Baty starts struggling or some combination of those two.

SelbyCobra · Post #92 » by **SelbyCobra** » Tue Apr 4, 2023 8:37 pm

Read on Twitter

HarthorneWingo · Post #93 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Tue Apr 4, 2023 9:32 pm

SelbyCobra wrote:

Read on Twitter

It’s all BnO’s fault. His jinx is real! Look at what he did to Alvarez. :lol:

HarthorneWingo · Post #94 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Tue Apr 4, 2023 11:47 pm

Luv those Knicks wrote:
Jeffrey wrote:When is that Super 2 rule or the date that gives you the extra FA year? That's when Baty is ready LOL

If this was the Wilpons, then, sure. Cohen puts winning ahead of everything else. I'd be surprised if he waits that long on Baty, unless things change, like Escobar starts hitting .280 or Baty starts struggling or some combination of those two.

... which gets back to my original point that if we're winning - like we were last season - then Cohen can have his cake and eat it too. :dontknow:

HarthorneWingo · Post #95 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Wed Apr 5, 2023 1:44 am

Mets getting plastered again tonight, 9-0 in the 8th.

Must be Escobar's fault. At least he went 1-3.

Post #96 » by **Luv those Knicks** » Wed Apr 5, 2023 2:09 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:Mets getting plastered again tonight, 9-0 in the 8th.

Must be Escobar's fault. At least he went 1-3.

This has been an ugly 2 games. It's a long season so . . . too soon to panic.

Post #97 » by **Luv those Knicks** » Wed Apr 5, 2023 2:11 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Luv those Knicks wrote:
Jeffrey wrote:When is that Super 2 rule or the date that gives you the extra FA year? That's when Baty is ready LOL

If this was the Wilpons, then, sure. Cohen puts winning ahead of everything else. I'd be surprised if he waits that long on Baty, unless things change, like Escobar starts hitting .280 or Baty starts struggling or some combination of those two.

... which gets back to my original point that if we're winning - like we were last season - then Cohen can have his cake and eat it too.

I don't know. I still think if Escobar continues to struggle it won't be long, but time will tell. If Escobar starts hitting, then maybe they won't rush Baty up.

knicks94 · Post #98 » by **knicks94** » Wed Apr 5, 2023 7:11 am

Max Scherzer did his best Gerrit Cole impersonation by throwing batting practice. If the Mets are going to be serious contenders this guy needs to find a way to keep the ball in the park when his best stuff isn't working.

HarthorneWingo · Post #99 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Wed Apr 5, 2023 8:50 pm

knicks94 wrote:Max Scherzer did his best Gerrit Cole impersonation by throwing batting practice. If the Mets are going to be serious contenders this guy needs to find a way to keep the ball in the park when his best stuff isn't working.

Our pitching staff is too old.

Post #100 » by **Luv those Knicks** » Thu Apr 6, 2023 5:44 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:
knicks94 wrote:Max Scherzer did his best Gerrit Cole impersonation by throwing batting practice. If the Mets are going to be serious contenders this guy needs to find a way to keep the ball in the park when his best stuff isn't working.

Our pitching staff is too old.

Yup. This was a risk going into the season, though Scherzer & Verlander both pitched well last year, Verlander especially.

A 3-4 start isn't the end of the world. Pitching struggles and injuries are a concern, but it's still early, and in other news. Omar Narvaez is day to day. Depending on how long he's out, I think Alvarez is the only other catcher on the 40. We could see him.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/mets-suffer-another-concerning-injury-amid-justin-verlander-edwin-diaz-absences/ar-AA19wr49?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=ca91023526854d68a15d91bc1076eec5&ei=9