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mpharris36 wrote:
which is a good thing and bad thing. HIs age I believe is a positive for the Giants because we have Daniel Jones and Drew Lock for a season so JJM doesn't have to come in and start right away...we could technically red-shirt him the entire year.
So its def more of a projection but the age means he in theory he got more development time but you are already seeing him put on weight.
Its what people have been saying...he has made all the throws he just doesn't have a ton of tape making them consistently. So do we know him since he doesn't have them and he might not be able take the leap or is he flying under the radar because Michigan didn't have to rely on him.
I guess that is why you pay Schoen the big bucks.
GONYK wrote:mpharris36 wrote:
which is a good thing and bad thing. HIs age I believe is a positive for the Giants because we have Daniel Jones and Drew Lock for a season so JJM doesn't have to come in and start right away...we could technically red-shirt him the entire year.
So its def more of a projection but the age means he in theory he got more development time but you are already seeing him put on weight.
Its what people have been saying...he has made all the throws he just doesn't have a ton of tape making them consistently. So do we know him since he doesn't have them and he might not be able take the leap or is he flying under the radar because Michigan didn't have to rely on him.
I guess that is why you pay Schoen the big bucks.
Yea, his age is probably the most attractive thing about him as a prospect for me right now. A full year of NFL development and then take the reigns at 22.
I just don't like having to do this level of projection at #6. It's how teams really get themselves in trouble. I feel like a lot of the critiques about him are kind of getting swept away by the "teams always have to reach for QB" mantra. Brugler at the Athletic said that most teams probably have a 2nd round grade on JJ today, but know he won't be there outside of the top 15.
But, if Schoen picks JJ, he's staking his job on him. So I guess we'll see.
mpharris36 wrote:GONYK wrote:mpharris36 wrote:
which is a good thing and bad thing. HIs age I believe is a positive for the Giants because we have Daniel Jones and Drew Lock for a season so JJM doesn't have to come in and start right away...we could technically red-shirt him the entire year.
So its def more of a projection but the age means he in theory he got more development time but you are already seeing him put on weight.
Its what people have been saying...he has made all the throws he just doesn't have a ton of tape making them consistently. So do we know him since he doesn't have them and he might not be able take the leap or is he flying under the radar because Michigan didn't have to rely on him.
I guess that is why you pay Schoen the big bucks.
Yea, his age is probably the most attractive thing about him as a prospect for me right now. A full year of NFL development and then take the reigns at 22.
I just don't like having to do this level of projection at #6. It's how teams really get themselves in trouble. I feel like a lot of the critiques about him are kind of getting swept away by the "teams always have to reach for QB" mantra. Brugler at the Athletic said that most teams probably have a 2nd round grade on JJ today, but know he won't be there outside of the top 15.
But, if Schoen picks JJ, he's staking his job on him. So I guess we'll see.
Yeah he certainly would be putting his job on the line. But you could also look at it another way. If we don't take a QB. Jones can't stay healthy again and or struggles and Lock isn't the answer and we have a bad year with no future QB on the roster and have another bad year...does Schoen and Daboll get another year?
In theory the QB clock might actually give the more time. Not saying thats why you pick a QB but I think that does factor in decisions for GM's/Coaches.
Maye is also really young as well and I guess you can make a similar case, he certainly has been arm strength and size. But he is def raw in terms of accuracy and decision making under pressure.
I think a lot will determine on what the teams ahead of us do.
GONYK wrote:mpharris36 wrote:GONYK wrote:
Yea, his age is probably the most attractive thing about him as a prospect for me right now. A full year of NFL development and then take the reigns at 22.
I just don't like having to do this level of projection at #6. It's how teams really get themselves in trouble. I feel like a lot of the critiques about him are kind of getting swept away by the "teams always have to reach for QB" mantra. Brugler at the Athletic said that most teams probably have a 2nd round grade on JJ today, but know he won't be there outside of the top 15.
But, if Schoen picks JJ, he's staking his job on him. So I guess we'll see.
Yeah he certainly would be putting his job on the line. But you could also look at it another way. If we don't take a QB. Jones can't stay healthy again and or struggles and Lock isn't the answer and we have a bad year with no future QB on the roster and have another bad year...does Schoen and Daboll get another year?
In theory the QB clock might actually give the more time. Not saying thats why you pick a QB but I think that does factor in decisions for GM's/Coaches.
Maye is also really young as well and I guess you can make a similar case, he certainly has been arm strength and size. But he is def raw in terms of accuracy and decision making under pressure.
I think a lot will determine on what the teams ahead of us do.
I agree about the resetting the clock aspect. At some point, every GM and coach gets to pick "their" QB and that is what they get judged on.
But it's a tough pill to swallow when there are a combo of 3 elite WR prospects who could be available at our pick and we bank on projection. There is great depth at WR in this draft too though, so I guess we'll see what Schoen and Daboll really value.
Either way, I think it's clear that a succession plan for Jones will be executed this summer.
Seems like trade up bait for NYG and Minnympharris36 wrote:
this was a bit click-baity as the video below surely doesn't suggest what the commanders WILL do...but Pelissero is a pretty good reporter and there seems to be some smoke behind Washington and now JJM. And not sure why they need smoke for the #2 pick when Caleb Williams is going #1.
If thats the case then Pats just sit there at #3 and take Daniels. Then the question is, is Maye a QB the giants like and or does Minny try to beat them to the punch and trade up in front of us...
GONYK wrote:Seems like trade up bait for NYG and Minnympharris36 wrote:
this was a bit click-baity as the video below surely doesn't suggest what the commanders WILL do...but Pelissero is a pretty good reporter and there seems to be some smoke behind Washington and now JJM. And not sure why they need smoke for the #2 pick when Caleb Williams is going #1.
If thats the case then Pats just sit there at #3 and take Daniels. Then the question is, is Maye a QB the giants like and or does Minny try to beat them to the punch and trade up in front of us...
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F N 11 wrote:Giants got their eyes on someone and it’s not JJ. Mark my words.