What about Mitch?

[Besart19]

Mitch is a **** offensive player. Problem is he’s a Frank level offensively player due to his negative impact he has clogging the lane and allowing every defender to sag off of him and negate a lot of Brunsons rim pressure

you can run plenty of pick n rolls for him and also cuts off the baseline… and he needs to add a mid range shot if not a 3 pointer if he wants to start…. but with our shooters, he is also needed for his rebounding too… you can jack up threes and still be comfortable when you know that Mitch and Achiuwa will get the second possession off the board

[rajajackal]

Mitch is a **** offensive player. Problem is he’s a Frank level offensively player due to his negative impact he has clogging the lane and allowing every defender to sag off of him and negate a lot of Brunsons rim pressure

you can run plenty of pick n rolls for him and also cuts off the baseline… and he needs to add a mid range shot if not a 3 pointer if he wants to start…. but with our shooters, he is also needed for his rebounding too… you can jack up threes and still be comfortable when you know that Mitch and Achiuwa will get the second possession off the board

you play him the way the warriors used to play bogut and enjoy the best center rotation in the league

[Juco24]

Very brief mention about Mitch at the very end here - on court activities to resume post all-star break but still a ways away from playing.

https://youtu.be/o3LEaJpa53c?si=BdJqDIq1VVnym0_A

Thanks for sharing. Good info

[Besart19]

Hartenstein <=> Mitch / Sims
Randle / Achiuwa / JaMychal or Knox
Anunoby / Bojan / Toppin or Korkmaz
Di Vincenzo / Hart / Burks
Brunson / McBride / Hayes or Oladipo

[robillionaire]

Mitch is a **** offensive player. Problem is he’s a Frank level offensively player due to his negative impact he has clogging the lane and allowing every defender to sag off of him and negate a lot of Brunsons rim pressure

**** offensive players don't lead the league in FG percentage.

They do when they only score 6ppg like Mitch does, and also his a career low fg% and ft% this season before the injury and both by wide margins. Career 70% fg% (because he only attempts dunks) now 59%. Career 52% ft shooter now down to 36% which has to be the worst in the nba and perhaps near the worst in nba history. So yeah he’s a really really bad offensive player unless he’s dunking a basketball uncontested and not getting touched or fouled

[aggo]

Mitch is a **** offensive player. Problem is he’s a Frank level offensively player due to his negative impact he has clogging the lane and allowing every defender to sag off of him and negate a lot of Brunsons rim pressure

you can run plenty of pick n rolls for him and also cuts off the baseline… and he needs to add a mid range shot if not a 3 pointer if he wants to start…. but with our shooters, he is also needed for his rebounding too… you can jack up threes and still be comfortable when you know that Mitch and Achiuwa will get the second possession off the board

its more than him being able to score, shoot fts, and dribble.



one common problem encountered is when Brunson gets doubled out in space the easiest pass is to the middle at the top of the key to iHart.


iHart has consistently shown he can handle processing and decision making 4 on 3 from the middle as he has both scored and passed the ball from that position.

this is important on offense because of spacing. Then we dont have to run center-guard prs

- notice how in crunch time brunson prefers to have guard-guard or guard-forward mismatches. think Austin reaves and buddy hield


this is important because it unclogs the lane for dribble drive and forces the opposing big to be a non-paint help defender where if he does rotate in, we have bodies that can cut too and make passes and finish and hit fts.


mitch cant do none of that.


Mitch's best position is backup C where he gets to have even greater physical dominance over other backups and his problems with spacing and fts are less significant as he is playing against other backups. we will get MORE production out of mitch playing him off the bench.

[RHODEY]

Mitch is a **** offensive player. Problem is he’s a Frank level offensively player due to his negative impact he has clogging the lane and allowing every defender to sag off of him and negate a lot of Brunsons rim pressure

**** offensive players don't lead the league in FG percentage.

They do when they only score 6ppg like Mitch does, and also his a career low fg% and ft% this season before the injury and both by wide margins. Career 70% fg% (because he only attempts dunks) now 59%. Career 52% ft shooter now down to 36% which has to be the worst in the nba and perhaps near the worst in nba history. So yeah he’s a really really bad offensive player unless he’s dunking a basketball uncontested and not getting touched or fouled

Ok well , Dennis Rodman and Ben Wallace were really "bad" Offensive players too... but they were critical to their team's success. I put Mitch in that category.

[8516knicks]

Our great January showed we need a healthy center and a healthy Randle and/or OG.

Since our two centers are both injury prone and apt (as we see) to BOTH become injured at the same time, we probably should keep one and draft a HEALTHY RELIABLE good young center. Sims is okay for 3rd string. And IHart's January play fed into our team success much more than anything Mitch has done. So Mitch walks the plank?

So if we cut salary this summer by trading Mitch and drafting a young Kessler-ish center for example, what could we get for Mitch? A good reliable backup PG for Brunson??? Outside of nabbing a Jokich, would that be the most significant move we could make to go for a title next year?

[louisorr]

Our great January showed we need a healthy center and a healthy Randle and/or OG.

Since our two centers are both injury prone and apt (as we see) to BOTH become injured at the same time, we probably should keep one and draft a HEALTHY RELIABLE good young center. Sims is okay for 3rd string. And IHart's January play fed into our team success much more than anything Mitch has done. So Mitch walks the plank?

So if we cut salary this summer by trading Mitch and drafting a young Kessler-ish center for example, what could we get for Mitch? A good reliable backup PG for Brunson??? Outside of nabbing a Jokich, would that be the most significant move we could make to go for a title next year?

well we did have Jalen Duren for half a minute, until Brock worked his magic and turned him into a 2050 second rounder. for whatever reason we seem to be averse to high level first round prospects.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Our great January showed we need a healthy center and a healthy Randle and/or OG.

Since our two centers are both injury prone and apt (as we see) to BOTH become injured at the same time, we probably should keep one and draft a HEALTHY RELIABLE good young center. Sims is okay for 3rd string. And IHart's January play fed into our team success much more than anything Mitch has done. So Mitch walks the plank?

So if we cut salary this summer by trading Mitch and drafting a young Kessler-ish center for example, what could we get for Mitch? A good reliable backup PG for Brunson??? Outside of nabbing a Jokich, would that be the most significant move we could make to go for a title next year?

I think you point out your problem in dealing Mitch. What’s worth trading him for? How do you get a better return than what he does give you?

I imagine Mitch in a deal for a big fish. But only if you retain Hartenstein somehow (and keep him healthy). He can be value and salary match for someone.


Knicks could put together a package like Mitch bogey and Donte plus many, many picks for your all-star should you be selling. Maybe something in that vein gets you a Booker or Ingram or something.

I don’t think you need to go as far as deal Mitch to invest in a backup PG.

[nykballa2k4]

Mitch is a **** offensive player. Problem is he’s a Frank level offensively player due to his negative impact he has clogging the lane and allowing every defender to sag off of him and negate a lot of Brunsons rim pressure

you can run plenty of pick n rolls for him and also cuts off the baseline… and he needs to add a mid range shot if not a 3 pointer if he wants to start…. but with our shooters, he is also needed for his rebounding too… you can jack up threes and still be comfortable when you know that Mitch and Achiuwa will get the second possession off the board

you play him the way the warriors used to play bogut and enjoy the best center rotation in the league

Everyone talks about this Knicks club looking like the Billups Pistons.

On the DL -- we look a little like the Warriors first run with:

Bogut - Mitch
Draymond - Randle
Barnes - OG
Klay - Donte
Curry - Brunson
Iguodala - Hart
Livingston - Deuce
Speights - iHart
Barbosa - Burks

Not a perfect translation, but you can see how it all fits.

[8516knicks]

Our great January showed we need a healthy center and a healthy Randle and/or OG.

Since our two centers are both injury prone and apt (as we see) to BOTH become injured at the same time, we probably should keep one and draft a HEALTHY RELIABLE good young center. Sims is okay for 3rd string. And IHart's January play fed into our team success much more than anything Mitch has done. So Mitch walks the plank?

So if we cut salary this summer by trading Mitch and drafting a young Kessler-ish center for example, what could we get for Mitch? A good reliable backup PG for Brunson??? Outside of nabbing a Jokich, would that be the most significant move we could make to go for a title next year?

I think you point out your problem in dealing Mitch. What’s worth trading him for? How do you get a better return than what he does give you?

I imagine Mitch in a deal for a big fish. But only if you retain Hartenstein somehow (and keep him healthy). He can be value and salary match for someone.


Knicks could put together a package like Mitch bogey and Donte plus many, many picks for your all-star should you be selling. Maybe something in that vein gets you a Booker or Ingram or something.

I don’t think you need to go as far as deal Mitch to invest in a backup PG.

I don't think Booker or Ingram is worth Mitch, Donte and many many picks. Or even much beyond Mitch and a pick or two - for what they'll do for us. But say in 3 years if Steph is at the Chris Paul stage, yeah as a backup PG for us SURE.