My way to begin the rebuilding....

[pwayknicks]

How about:

Knicks Trade:

David Lee
Quentin Richardson
Jarred Jefferies

Knicks Receive:

Ron Artest(expiring)
Kenny Thomas(expiring)
Justin Williams
2nd round pick



Knicks Trade:

Jamal Crawford
Jerome James

Miami Trades:

Jason Williams(expiring)
2nd round pick(this year or next)


Knicks Trade:

Zach Randolph

Lakers Trade:

Kwame Brown(expiring)
Chris Mihm(1 year left)
1st round pick(lotto protected this year, and so on)


New York Trades:

Fred Jones(expiring)
Randolph Morris(expiring)

Memphis Trades:

Damon Stoudimire(1 year left)
2nd round pick


Knicks new team:

Marbury(1 years left)
Nate(rookie contract)
Collins(rookie contract)
Jason williams(expiring)
Damon Stoudimire(1 year left)
Chris Mihm(1 year left)
Kwame Brown(expiring)
Ron Artest(expiring)
Kenny Thomas(expiring)
Renaldo Balkman(rookie contract)
Wilson Chandler(rookie contract)
Eddy Curry(the one sole survivor)
Justin Williams(rookie contract)

We remove all dead weight contracts, we clean house, everyone expires, dolan stays happy as we get to win a little bit in the short term with Artest....

A lineup of:

Marbury
Artest
Chandler
Malik
Curry

will be able to somewhat compete now, but with everyone expiring, and draft picks coming from LA, 2nd rounders from Memphis, Miami and Sacramento... and our own lotto pick, this team will be ready to head in the right direction....

We will also be under the cap when Marburys contract comes off the books next year...

I know this is not at all possible with Isiahs dumb a$$ running the team, but if we get some savy like a West or someone else who actually wants to build a winner for years, this can be done

[knicks742]

Good lord, stop trading the youth. How about we do what Portland did and be a little patient for a change? Draft, Marbury and Rose expire, Draft, Crawford and Curry may opt out, Draft, etc, etc.


We are not fixing this mess in one year so everyone needs to accept that and move on.

[NoLayupRule]

blech

[gavran]

Kenny Thomas must be the only expiring contract with 3 years left....

[pwayknicks]

Good lord, stop trading the youth. How about we do what Portland did and be a little patient for a change? Draft, Marbury and Rose expire, Draft, Crawford and Curry may opt out, Draft, etc, etc.


We are not fixing this mess in one year so everyone needs to accept that and move on.

Because why would Curry and Crawford opt out of contracts that pay them over 10 million per season when no other teams would even pay them 5?

How will we draft when yes we have this years pick, but we DONT have next years pick?

How will we do what Portland did when our young players are if they havent already on the brink of accepting losing.....NOT A GOOD THING...

The only way we can turn this thing around is to trade the dead weight at any cost(except this years lotto pick). If that means Lee, Balkman, Collins, nate...go ahead....NONE OF THEM ARE STARS TO BE, NONE OF THEM ARE ANYTHING BUT ROLE PLAYERS ON GOOD TEAMS

[pwayknicks]

Kenny Thomas must be the only expiring contract with 3 years left....

Whoops, missed the ball on that one, but you get the point

[rpa]

The only trade of the bunch that's remotely realistic is the one with Memphis. There's no way the Kings give you Artest & Justin Williams for the rights to take on 2 of the worst contracts in the league. I don't even think the Knicks could get an expiring for Crawford (who's due an average of more than $9mil per year over the next 3 years--that is, not including this 1) let alone one for both he AND Jerome James. Some 4 months ago the Blazers agreed to take a mediocre prospect and pay $30mil to get rid of Zach Randolph but after starting this year worse than last year he's now worth expiring contracts and a 1st round pick?

The Memphis trade actually makes some sense. It gives the Knicks something closer to a "pure" PG (Damon isn't one but he's less of a scorer these days than Marbury/Crawford/Robinson) and Memphis swaps their 2nd rounder for Morris who could be a decent rotational big (i.e. 4th or 5th big on the team) in the future.

[knicks742]

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Because why would Curry and Crawford opt out of contracts that pay them over 10 million per season when no other teams would even pay them 5?

How will we draft when yes we have this years pick, but we DONT have next years pick?

How will we do what Portland did when our young players are if they havent already on the brink of accepting losing.....NOT A GOOD THING...

The only way we can turn this thing around is to trade the dead weight at any cost(except this years lotto pick). If that means Lee, Balkman, Collins, nate...go ahead....NONE OF THEM ARE STARS TO BE, NONE OF THEM ARE ANYTHING BUT ROLE PLAYERS ON GOOD TEAMS

We have next year's pick. The unprotected pick is 2010. Even if Curry and Crawford dont opt out, they will be 2 year deals. A lot easier to trade at that point.

My point is that this mess cant be fixed correctly in one year and since we are not even close to being good what is the point of just selling low every asset we have? Rigth now the only assets we can offer where we have the potential of getting a fair return are the pick and Lee everyone else will be devalued. This is not good business to sell everyone off at their lowest point.

[buc003]

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I agree 100% with that last part. If teams are going to value the young guys as much as the Knicks sell high and try and get as many pics as possible. The Knicks wont be fixed in a year but the players that are killing this team wont be off this team unless you add the youth to deals.

[pwayknicks]

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I agree 100% with that last part. If teams are going to value the young guys as much as the Knicks sell high and try and get as many pics as possible. The Knicks wont be fixed in a year but the players that are killing this team wont be off this team unless you add the youth to deals.

Yup, as much as its selling low on Jefferies, Q, Crawford, Curry, Randolph and others now....its selling high on Lee, Balkman, Robinson....

How long do you think teams will wait before they call Lee nothing but a role player, I mean this is what his 3rd or 4th year in the league, and he still hasnt proven he can do anything other then rebound the basketball and finish around the hoop...he still hasnt proven he can make a 15 footer, he still hasnt proven he can play any defense....its only a matter of time before people say look he is what he is.....nothing special, just a role player...at that point who is going to take Q then....you think Q is selling low now, what if his back acts up, you know its not insured.....things will only get worse for Q and Jefferies....

Lee needs to be packaged with those 2 for anything in short term salary we can get, its unfortunate but its the only way to lose those 4+ year contracts...unless you want to still be rebuilding 4 years from now....

[knicks742]

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Yup, as much as its selling low on Jefferies, Q, Crawford, Curry, Randolph and others now....its selling high on Lee, Balkman, Robinson....

How long do you think teams will wait before they call Lee nothing but a role player, I mean this is what his 3rd or 4th year in the league, and he still hasnt proven he can do anything other then rebound the basketball and finish around the hoop...he still hasnt proven he can make a 15 footer, he still hasnt proven he can play any defense....its only a matter of time before people say look he is what he is.....nothing special, just a role player...at that point who is going to take Q then....you think Q is selling low now, what if his back acts up, you know its not insured.....things will only get worse for Q and Jefferies....

Lee needs to be packaged with those 2 for anything in short term salary we can get, its unfortunate but its the only way to lose those 4+ year contracts...unless you want to still be rebuilding 4 years from now....

Rebuilding doesnt mean that we have to get rid of every player dude. You get two lottery picks in the next two years, shed salaries of Marbury, Rose, Jones, maybe Crawford or Curry or Zach or two of them. Now you have a little salary cap room and there you go, you rebuilt.

The key is not the contract situation right now, its being lucky enough to get a franchise level player. Once we have that and a competent GM. We can start transforming this team.

Getting all this salary cap wont help us get anyone if we dont have guys that people want to play with, like Lee.

[buc003]

And here is another thing to consider... Lee is putting up decent numbers on a bad team. He can be a bench player on any team but rebounding and a couple of assists wont mean much to the big name teams. Lee is good but he will not change the course of the Knicks. He hasnt changed the course of the Knicks winning since he has been here. Lee hasnt been the problem he just needs top players in the league to feed off of like Lebron, Kobe, Wade, Duncan, Billups, Garnett, Nash, D. Williams, etc. and he needs to be with a coach that is going to put him in perfect position.

[BasicBall]

The best way to rebuild the Knicks is to play Chandler & Balkman at small forward spots, either deal Marbury now OR allow his contract to become even more appealing in the off-season and deal him then, get a high draft pick and select either Gordon or Rose (if possible)

Then look to move Zach in the off season for a rugged defensive minded power forward to play alongside Eddy Curry

[Knick 4ever]

The best way to rebuild the Knicks is to trade away: Curry, Q, Crawford; buy out Jerome James; allow Marb's contract to expire, but try to win as many games as possible with him while developing the young kids (Chandler, Lee, Balkman, Morris and Collins); draft for need in this next draft.

[pwayknicks]

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Rebuilding doesnt mean that we have to get rid of every player dude. You get two lottery picks in the next two years, shed salaries of Marbury, Rose, Jones, maybe Crawford or Curry or Zach or two of them. Now you have a little salary cap room and there you go, you rebuilt.

The key is not the contract situation right now, its being lucky enough to get a franchise level player. Once we have that and a competent GM. We can start transforming this team.

Getting all this salary cap wont help us get anyone if we dont have guys that people want to play with, like Lee.

Your right, the salary cap isnt the only thing, but its very good thing to have, CAP FLEXIBILITY...Lee is a good player no doubt, BUT if we get 2 lottory picks, like you are assuming we will this and next year, and are freed of all salary you dont think someone will come play here? You think Lee is going to make that much of a difference that someone will come play here because Lee is here? Look if someone is willing to take those 2 bad contracts out of our hands, if it meant giving Lee and we got something small as well(like a second rounder), I see no reason not to do the deal....

You understand that 3 years down the road, Q and Jefferies combine for 15million + in salary(plus what you have to sign lee for, assuming thats 23 million dollars tied up to JUST DAVID Lee, because those other 2 are useless....you would have to be a moron if you think Lee is worth 23 million, and have to be a moron if you wouldnt trade Lee with those 2 contracts for expirings and a 2nd rounder....

[Deeeez Knicks]

I really doubt the Kings would touch Q and Jeffries contract.

I think we are going to be stuck with some of these contracts, but if we decide to rebuild it shouldnt be THAT big a deal. Theoretically we should stay in the lottery and try to build up our young talent for a few years before even trying to sign someone.

[kosmovitelli]

If you want to rebuild then the first step is to admit we suck and there's no easy and quick way out.

Here are the steps we should take :
- Find a way to unload Zach Randolph for a shorter contract in the summer
- After that, stay put, see how the situation unfolds with Curry as the focal point of the offense
- No panic : wait for the right deal to come along or simply wait until our bad contracts expire

Overall we have to accept mediocrity for the next 3 seasons. No trading picks for veterans. No panic move.

If we play it right I think we only have two years of suffering ahead of us : 2007-2008 and 2008-2009. If we keep our lotto picks this season and next year, we will be on the right path. Then Marbury, Rose and other bad contracts expire in june 2009. Curry may exercise his ETO and become a free agent that same summer.
If we accept to suffer this season and next, we can have flexibility in two years and a nice future ahead.

There is a way out of this mess if we accept the fact we're a bad team and there's no quick fix, no savior, no easy way out.
Stop looking at KG, Kobe, Artest, etc...and start looking at potential future all stars in the lottery in 2008 and 2009.

Even though Thomas did a terrible job so far, there's still a way out but our future will flush into the toilets if Isiah makes another ill-advised trade bringing an overpaid malcontent to NY. If Isiah trades for another $15M player with 4 more years left on this contract then we're done until next decade.

The upcoming months will be crucial for our future. If we trade our lotto pick or if we trade for another large contract, it's the end of the road for us. I will lose all hope for this team.

[knicks742]

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Your right, the salary cap isnt the only thing, but its very good thing to have, CAP FLEXIBILITY...Lee is a good player no doubt, BUT if we get 2 lottory picks, like you are assuming we will this and next year, and are freed of all salary you dont think someone will come play here? You think Lee is going to make that much of a difference that someone will come play here because Lee is here? Look if someone is willing to take those 2 bad contracts out of our hands, if it meant giving Lee and we got something small as well(like a second rounder), I see no reason not to do the deal....

You understand that 3 years down the road, Q and Jefferies combine for 15million + in salary(plus what you have to sign lee for, assuming thats 23 million dollars tied up to JUST DAVID Lee, because those other 2 are useless....you would have to be a moron if you think Lee is worth 23 million, and have to be a moron if you wouldnt trade Lee with those 2 contracts for expirings and a 2nd rounder....

My point is that we are lucky enough to get that franchise player in the lottery then you dont have to go looking for him in free agency. Then you have in 2 years:

Lottery pick 2008
Lottery pick 2009
Lee
Chandler
Nate
Balkman
Collins
Morris?
Q-Rich
Jeffries

You have the start and the complimentary players. Then you wait for Q-Rich and Jeffries to be off the cap and presto, you are done.

I just dont believe in giving away talent for salary cap purposes since there is no evidence that cap room helps in getting a Franchise player. All we'll be doing is overpaying another second tier "star" to come and be our savior.

[pwayknicks]

^^^ --> I agree that salary cap may not be beneficial in landing a Franchise player through Free Agency, but the importance of being cap flexible cannot be underestimated....If you believe that David Lee is that second star, then well yea go ahead and eat the contracts and keep Lee on the team, I dont believe that however....

Again I dont think any team in their right mind would take the contracts of Q and Jefferies just for giving them Lee, BUT if there is a team dumb enough to do so....its something you CANNOT pass up....

A second tier star is almost always available in free agency, Michael Redd was, and many others will be. We also play in the Garden, if were able to get lucky and get that Franchise player through the draft, you dont think the Garden, the Franchise player, and Maximum money and endorsement deals wont get a guy like Lebron or Wade to opt of their contracts to play here? Now im not saying trade picks to get under the cap, because that is the worst thing we can do....

But trade our overrated youth to get under the cap....if possible I think is an easy move....Again in no way am i Saying I would deal either of our first round picks, or any future first round picks, but if we were able to get out of Q and Jefferies contract by just giving Lee....it opens up the flood gates to really make a push to get in salary cap freedom...those 2 and Randolph are the only 3 guys that will hold us from ever getting there...and I am under the belief that Randolph is movable....



PS: the Suns rebuilt themselves mainly through cap flexibility....Steve Nash, Raja Bell ++

[jakoub]

whats with all the 2nd round picks. Are you trying to make the knicks better or our d league