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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 4.0 

Post#1361 » by Trillen » Wed May 1, 2024 11:59 pm

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Knightro wrote:I have completely talked myself into Paul George at the full max if he’s willing to take a three year deal.

I just feel like if someone of that level becomes available with where we're at, you kind of have to and try to make it work around that. I've been starting to feel the same kind of way if there was a theoretical trade that let us keep the main core and add someone like Trae.


I’m not sure about Trae.

I get the knocks about his defense but I just can't be against adding a high-volume shooting, high-level playmaker to this team.
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 4.0 

Post#1362 » by byeganyo » Thu May 2, 2024 12:02 am

bigdogdylan5 wrote:
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bigdogdylan5 wrote:You retain all your assets now but what happens when you are well into the tax pushing against the apron in year 3 with Paolo max extension. At that point you will have to give up Suggs or Isaac. I also have Vince Carter and Lewis rapid declines to absolutely worthless sitting in the back of my head. You would have to think about it but its really risky.


Ehh maybe.

The cap and tax apron are *allegedly* going to increase by a flat 10% each year. If that's the case...

2024-2025 aka George Year 1
Cap: $141M
Tax: $171.3M
Apron 1: $178.6M
Apron 2: $189.4M

George: 49.3M
Paolo 12.2M
Suggs: 9.2M
Franz: 7.0M
Total: $77.7M on core four, $93.3M on the rest of the roster to avoid tax

Verdict: Well under the tax

2025-2026 aka George Year 2, Franz Year 1 and Suggs Year 1
Cap: $155.1M
Tax: $188.4M
Apron 1: $196.4M
Apron 2: $208.4M

George: 51.8M
Franz 38.8M (max deal)
Suggs: 25M (4/100 deal)
Paolo 15.3M

Total: $130.9M on core four, $57.5 on the rest of the roster to avoid tax (Cole, Carter, Black, Howard, Houstan, 2024 1st rounder, 2025 1st rounder under contract)

Verdict: *Likely* under the tax with some simple maneuvering

2026-2027 aka George Year 3, Franz Year 2, Suggs Year 2 and Paolo Year 1
Cap: $170.6M
Tax: $207.2M
Apron 1: $216.1M
Apron 2: $229.2M

George: $54.2M
Paolo $42.7M
Franz: $41.9M
Suggs: $27M

Total: $165.8 on core four, $41.4M on the rest of the roster to avoid tax, $63.4M to avoid 2nd apron

Verdict: Tax team, but very likely under the 2nd apron

2027-2028 aka George Year 4, Franz Year 3, Suggs Year 3 and Paolo Year 2
Cap: $187.6M
Tax: $228.0M
Apron 1: $237.7M
Apron 2: $252.1M

George $56.7M
Paolo $46.1M
Franz: $45.3M
Suggs: $29.2M

Total: $177.3 on core four, $50.7M on the rest of the roster to avoid tax, $74.8M to avoid 2nd apron

Verdict: Tax team, but very likely under the 2nd apron

Then George would come off the books and the finances would completely reset.

What it really boils down to is this...

Do you think adding Paul George to this existing roster and internal improvements from Paolo, Franz, Suggs, Black and Howard would make them a contender to win the Eastern Conference in the next two years?

If so, I think you have to pull the trigger the signing. If not, you probably shouldn't because Year 3 and Year 4 have the possibility to be real ugly.

This is assuming PG gets a four year deal, if he'd take a 3 year deal I think it's a no-brainer to sign him since it would only be one potentially painful year before he's gone.

Your trading or letting Isaac walk in this scenario? I don’t think that is wrong I am starting to think that might be what should happen. Will see if he will sign a 3 year max but this isn’t leaking by us. This is his agent trying to extract the most money possible from Clippers. I don’t think he wants to leave LA. I can see your point but that contract in year 3 and 4 could really be toxic waste. The history of players after 35 is not good. I am 50/50 because we might be out of cap space after this summer. I think the most important years for this core are going to be those last two years. They have to be in contention as everyone will be in prime. If he falls off a cliff then we could be in a tough spot those years.


PG is 2 years younger than Curry and Durant.
Actually in top 100 PPG leaders this year there are 7 players older than him. If he can give us 2 good and 1 average year on this contract we are winners, than in his 4th/final year, when he is 37, if the wheels have fallen off, we can look for a trade and reload, where we use him to match the incoming contract(s).
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 4.0 

Post#1363 » by pinoynurse » Thu May 2, 2024 12:25 am

Knightro wrote:I have completely talked myself into Paul George at the full max if he’s willing to take a three year deal.


this. would do it, but only for 3 years
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Post#1364 » by eyriq » Thu May 2, 2024 12:39 am

Tyus Jones, Nic Claxton ftw
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Post#1365 » by RichCollab » Thu May 2, 2024 1:05 am

eyriq wrote:Tyus Jones, Nic Claxton ftw


Eh. Tyus for the bench?
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Post#1366 » by basketballRob » Thu May 2, 2024 1:27 am

Paul George loves the Magic!

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Post#1367 » by CocoaFan » Thu May 2, 2024 1:28 am

Knightro wrote:I have completely talked myself into Paul George at the full max if he’s willing to take a three year deal.
I think you should reconsider. He's way too injury prone and old to fit our timeline. I do agree we need to open minutes to develop Black and Jett and acquiring someone like Monk would allow Black to get minutes backing him up and Jett could fill in for Ingles role or get some of Cole's minutes if he's being his usual inconsistent self.
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Post#1368 » by eyriq » Thu May 2, 2024 1:40 am

RichCollab wrote:
eyriq wrote:Tyus Jones, Nic Claxton ftw


Eh. Tyus for the bench?
I think he'd push Black for the starting spot, we need someone to organize the offense for a minute
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Post#1369 » by drsd » Thu May 2, 2024 1:46 am

cedric76 wrote:PG here we come

Paul George Rumors: 76ers, Magic Eye Star; Clippers Don't Want to Give Max Contract

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10119371-paul-george-rumors-76ers-magic-eye-star-clippers-dont-want-to-give-max-contract


George did start his career as a SG. In modern, positionless defense.
I am confident that George and F-Wagner can co-guard opponent wings.

Let's say the Magic back up the Brink's for George, sign a guy like Lonnie Walker IV to be the backup SG, draft Carter, and ink a lane-clogging big in the likes of Mason Plumlee, the resultant roster could win an NBA title. It does require that Orlando dumps Anthony for new rollerblades for Stuff in a block-buster trade.

Suggs/Black/Carter
George/Walker/Howard
F-Wagner/Ingles/Houstan
Banchero/Isaac
Carter/M-Wagner/Plumlee

This is not some ridiculous off-season plan. It is simple, and doable. And would make me very happy.


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Post#1370 » by basketballRob » Thu May 2, 2024 1:49 am

drsd wrote:
cedric76 wrote:PG here we come

Paul George Rumors: 76ers, Magic Eye Star; Clippers Don't Want to Give Max Contract

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10119371-paul-george-rumors-76ers-magic-eye-star-clippers-dont-want-to-give-max-contract


George did start his career as a SG. In modern, positionless defense.
I am confident that George and F-Wagner can co-guard opponent wings.

Let's say the Magic back up the Brink's for George, sign George, sign a guy like Lonnie Walker IV to be the backup SG, draft Carter, and ink a lane-clogging big in the likes of Mason Plumlee, the resultant roster could win an NBA title. It does require that Orlando dumps Anthony for new rollerblades for Stuff in a block-buster trade.

Suggs/Black/Carter
George/Walker/Howard
F-Wagner/Ingles/Houstan
Banchero/Isaac
Carter/M-Wagner/Plumlee

This is not some ridiculous off-season plan. It is simple, and doable. And would make me very happy.


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Post#1371 » by drsd » Thu May 2, 2024 1:50 am

yoyojw17 wrote:And if not possibly re-up on Goga.


If Bitadze is happy in Orlando being the bench cheerleader, there's nothing wrong with a 2 year 8M contract for the young man to continue being a practice-squad player and emergency sub.
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Post#1372 » by drsd » Thu May 2, 2024 1:52 am

basketballRob wrote:I'm not sure if we'd have enough to keep Ingles.




Ingles is on a team option that matches Anthony's salary. Dumping Anthony (say trade to OKC for a top-25 protected FRP) actually makes it pretty easy to sign George, AND still have funds to flush out bench replacements whilst retaining all team-option guys.
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Post#1373 » by basketballRob » Thu May 2, 2024 1:59 am

drsd wrote:
basketballRob wrote:I'm not sure if we'd have enough to keep Ingles.




Ingles is on a team option that matches Anthony's salary. Dumping Anthony (say trade to OKC for a top-25 protected FRP) actually makes it pretty easy to sign George, AND still have funds to flush out bench replacements whilst retaining all team-option guys.
I'm not sure OKC would want more picks. I really don't think they'll be able to dump him.

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Post#1374 » by drsd » Thu May 2, 2024 2:02 am

Knightro wrote:2027-2028 aka George Year 4, Franz Year 3, Suggs Year 3 and Paolo Year 2
Cap: $187.6M
Tax: $228.0M
Apron 1: $237.7M
Apron 2: $252.1M

George $56.7M
Paolo $46.1M
Franz: $45.3M
Suggs: $29.2M

Total: $177.3 on core four, $50.7M on the rest of the roster to avoid tax, $74.8M to avoid 2nd apron

Verdict: Tax team, but very likely under the 2nd apron

Then George would come off the books and the finances would completely reset.

What it really boils down to is this...

Do you think adding Paul George to this existing roster and internal improvements from Paolo, Franz, Suggs, Black and Howard would make them a contender to win the Eastern Conference in the next two years?

If so, I think you have to pull the trigger the signing. If not, you probably shouldn't because Year 3 and Year 4 have the possibility to be real ugly.

This is assuming PG gets a four year deal, if he'd take a 3 year deal I think it's a no-brainer to sign him since it would only be one potentially painful year before he's gone.


Very comprehensive ~ And add to that that the NBA's current media rights deal expires in 2024–25. That means that the new ~5B in revenues that will come in should lead to a 22-28% bump in the cap and tax thresholds to your maths "at some point", perhaps as early as the 2025 off-season, and certainly within the 2026 off-season. Teams cannot plan on that at this point, but fans can!
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Post#1375 » by drsd » Thu May 2, 2024 2:04 am

Skybox wrote:It'd have to be a vet minimum...which would be very sad for him, but not completely inconceivable. I think someone gives him a shot, but you never know.


Orlando has his early Bird rights. A 2 year, 8M deal is fully allowed. Heck: the Magic could go 4years and 20M to have a wonderful trade asset, at "some point".
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Post#1376 » by drsd » Thu May 2, 2024 2:06 am

basketballRob wrote:I'm not sure OKC would want more picks. I really don't think they'll be able to dump him.


I was unclear, the trade would be Anthony for a top-25 protected pick from OKC. The THunder get a backup guard, and Orlando gets out of Anthony's contract to sign George.
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Post#1377 » by tiderulz » Thu May 2, 2024 2:07 am

Trillen wrote:
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Trillen wrote:I just feel like if someone of that level becomes available with where we're at, you kind of have to and try to make it work around that. I've been starting to feel the same kind of way if there was a theoretical trade that let us keep the main core and add someone like Trae.


I’m not sure about Trae.

I get the knocks about his defense but I just can't be against adding a high-volume shooting, high-level playmaker to this team.

the thing is, he is high volume 3, but not very good. up and down, career 35%+ from 3. average 3pt % for PG's in the NBA is 37%
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Post#1378 » by drsd » Thu May 2, 2024 2:14 am

basketballRob wrote:Paul George loves the Magic!

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The Banchero comparisons to Carmelo Anthony certainly had me rushing to basketball-reference.com to look up Anthony's career stats!
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Post#1379 » by Skybox » Thu May 2, 2024 2:14 am

JBSouthpaw wrote:
Knightro wrote:Simons is worse than/close to the same as Monk IMO.

And one guy would cost assets in a trade while the other guy will only cost money.

In what way same or worse?? Maybe 1 aspect of his game, but not total.
If we trade, it’s the difference of salaries, not his total as we would trade something back.
We can stand to give up a bit of defense for a LOT of offense.


I don’t mind the sending assets to get the best guy available…plus, if we send out some salary, we might retain enough cap flexibility to sign a FA center or at least fill in the vet rotation with stronger upgrades.

Simons and Monk have very similar appeal but Simons is as deadly a 3pt shooter as anyone in the league and has been a consistent scorer for longer…Monk was pretty irrelevant for much of his career- that concerns me a little, that we’d be paying for him at his highest point.
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Post#1380 » by eyriq » Thu May 2, 2024 2:16 am

WCJ for Kennard + Memphis 2024 1st?

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