Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 5.0

[Skybox]

If we sign our new Lead Guard (or trade...) and a guy like Devin Carter or even McCain is there at #18, could we move Cole for a frontcourt rotation player? or just additional vet depth?

Who would value a 6th man type combo guard with dominant games and off nights, still young, great personality and athleticism?
MIN has way too much payroll and thin at PG with Conley aging out...can they SnT Kyle Anderson at Cole's 13m x 2?
CHI...could they tap out on P. Williams, maybe if ORL adds DEN frp?
SAC...will they need to replace Monk with a similar type of player?...Huerter, Trey Lyles?
MEM...take a swing on Ziare Williams? or, take Kennard's $14m TO for a year?
WAS...for Kispert? they actually have some SF depth on their relatively un-talented roster
SAS...for Keldon Johnson (maybe add DEN frp)? Does Pop see a PG hidden inside Cole, even just for cap savings?
POR...for Brogdon...strictly cap savings, but also allows them to move Simons with Cole as 3rd Guard, green light off bench

[Nyce_1]

Anyone want to circle back on Jordan Poole? Failed as a #1 option but could he thrive as a #3/4 option down here?

[Skybox]

Looking for big trades to stick our nose and cap space into...
NOLA sends: Brandon Ingram, CJ McCollum
NOLA gets: Darius Garland, Wendell Carter

CLE sends: Darius Garland, Jarrett Allen
CLE gets: Brandon Ingram, Jett Howard, Cole Anthony, ORL 26 frp, DEN 25 frp

ORL sends: Wendell Carter, Jett Howard, Cole Anthony, ORL 26 frp, DEN 25 frp, tons of cap space
ORL gets: Jarrett Allen, CJ McCollum

NOLA gets younger and better at two key positions and smoothly inserts Trey/Herb into Ingram's ill-fitted spot next to Zion.
CLE breaks up their two odd couples (presuming a Mitchell re-sign), adds a long-desired scorer at SF, a young shooter, a combo guard sixth-man who can score in bunches, and two frps.
ORL weaponizes it's cap space to facilitate big salaries moving around, gets a better fitting C and an aging but high-scoring leader at PG.

Even if CJ isn't long-term (he could be), he injects much-needed leadership, floor spacing and explosive scoring potential into a beautifully matched starting lineup. ORL still has #18 for some young depth and AB is hopefully moving into the rotation.

CJ McCollum, Anthony Black, Devin Carter (#18)
Suggs, Kevon (could we bring back Harris cheap?)
Franz, Houstan, AB and/or srp
Paolo, Isaac, Mo
Allen, Mo, vet min goon (Goga?)

That's a team built to contend...with a killer starting lineup, admittedly thin after Isaac. Could we pull Cole out of the deal and move him elsewhere for depth...Kispert? Trey Lyles? Derrick Jones SnT?

[MagicMatic]

Looking for big trades to stick our nose and cap space into...
NOLA sends: Brandon Ingram, CJ McCollum
NOLA gets: Darius Garland, Wendell Carter

CLE sends: Darius Garland, Jarrett Allen
CLE gets: Brandon Ingram, Jett Howard, Cole Anthony, ORL 26 frp, DEN 25 frp

ORL sends: Wendell Carter, Jett Howard, Cole Anthony, ORL 26 frp, DEN 25 frp, tons of cap space
ORL gets: Jarrett Allen, CJ McCollum

NOLA gets younger and better at two key positions and smoothly inserts Trey/Herb into Ingram's ill-fitted spot next to Zion.
CLE breaks up their two odd couples (presuming a Mitchell re-sign), adds a long-desired scorer at SF, a young shooter, a combo guard sixth-man who can score in bunches, and two frps.
ORL weaponizes it's cap space to facilitate big salaries moving around, gets a better fitting C and an aging but high-scoring leader at PG.

Even if CJ isn't long-term (he could be), he injects much-needed leadership, floor spacing and explosive scoring potential into a beautifully matched starting lineup. ORL still has #18 for some young depth and AB is hopefully moving into the rotation.

CJ McCollum, Anthony Black, Devin Carter (#18)
Suggs, Kevon (could we bring back Harris cheap?)
Franz, Houstan, AB and/or srp
Paolo, Isaac, Mo
Allen, Mo, vet min goon (Goga?)

That's a team built to contend...with a killer starting lineup, admittedly thin after Isaac. Could we pull Cole out of the deal and move him elsewhere for depth...Kispert? Trey Lyles? Derrick Jones SnT?

Again with 7 player trades…

Cleveland loses this trade easily. They would only do this for a complete reset, which they wouldn’t do for late firsts.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Was it a concern when Goga was playing?

yes.yes it is
why do you think he was out of rotation? you think mose does not want to win?

Hartenstein hasnt stopped Brunson from getting to the basket.

That’s a totally different game. PB and Franz live in the post area.

[basketballRob]

Doncic thrives with centers that only dunk, and his game is very similar to Paolo's. Most of Paolo's assists at Duke were to Mark Williams. He likes having a center he can dump it off to when the center comes over to double team him.

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[Message Boar]

DET sends: Duren & Ivey
ORL sends: Wendell Carter, Jett Howard

DET adds much improved shooting at two positions. WCJ is already a better defender and a heady PnR player for Cade. Carter is a well-liked, versatile "vet" for young DET, but still only 25. Jett could be the steal of the trade as he has shown glimpses of offensive creation as well as exceptional range. Bigger, better complement to DET's primary ball handlers. Certainly unproven but on a rookie deal and known to Michigan faithful. Addition of 2 floor spreaders makes Asaur playable as a swiss army knife type of connector/defender/rebounder.

ORL believes Duren's a raw block of athletic granite that Mosely can turn into a tremendous defender. Duren is not an exceptional defender, but his energy, toughness, and athleticism is clear. Ivey is more of a modern Lead Guard, in the same vein as Malik Monk, but younger and potentially with a higher upside. Ivey is not a good fit next to Cade and now Sasser.

How far behind Monk is Ivey? How long did it take Monk to become a good player vs Ivey who, despite criticism re: efficiency, put up numbers as a rookie? How much will Monk get paid vs both of these young incoming guys and what else could ORL do with even more cap space (appx $5m more)? This trade might be a temporary setback (or not) but, long term I think both incoming guys are better fits with far more upside than the two outgoing guys...but I also think it's good for DET.

The dust settles on this trade...draft night?...and we wake up with a better matched/higher upside team and STILL have over $40m in cap space and ALL of our picks intact! Core is entirely under contract...and still below cap with extensions to come.

Claxton (UFA $20 x 4, descending), Duren, Mo Wagner
Paolo, Isaac, Kyle Anderson (UFA $15m x 2, descending w/TO)
Franz, Houstan, AB/Kyle
Suggs, Cole, Kevon
Ivey, AB, Devin Carter (#18)

from what ive read, Detroit loves Duren. Also, not a believer in Ivey. wasnt a great 3 pt shooter in college and not a great 3 pt shooter now. and as you mentioned, inefficient and while he has the tools, not good on defense.

Yeah Detroit hangs up the phone on that one, sorry to break it to you.

[Skybox]

Looking for big trades to stick our nose and cap space into...
NOLA sends: Brandon Ingram, CJ McCollum
NOLA gets: Darius Garland, Wendell Carter

CLE sends: Darius Garland, Jarrett Allen
CLE gets: Brandon Ingram, Jett Howard, Cole Anthony, ORL 26 frp, DEN 25 frp

ORL sends: Wendell Carter, Jett Howard, Cole Anthony, ORL 26 frp, DEN 25 frp, tons of cap space
ORL gets: Jarrett Allen, CJ McCollum

NOLA gets younger and better at two key positions and smoothly inserts Trey/Herb into Ingram's ill-fitted spot next to Zion.
CLE breaks up their two odd couples (presuming a Mitchell re-sign), adds a long-desired scorer at SF, a young shooter, a combo guard sixth-man who can score in bunches, and two frps.
ORL weaponizes it's cap space to facilitate big salaries moving around, gets a better fitting C and an aging but high-scoring leader at PG.

Even if CJ isn't long-term (he could be), he injects much-needed leadership, floor spacing and explosive scoring potential into a beautifully matched starting lineup. ORL still has #18 for some young depth and AB is hopefully moving into the rotation.

CJ McCollum, Anthony Black, Devin Carter (#18)
Suggs, Kevon (could we bring back Harris cheap?)
Franz, Houstan, AB and/or srp
Paolo, Isaac, Mo
Allen, Mo, vet min goon (Goga?)

That's a team built to contend...with a killer starting lineup, admittedly thin after Isaac. Could we pull Cole out of the deal and move him elsewhere for depth...Kispert? Trey Lyles? Derrick Jones SnT?

Again with 7 player trades…

Cleveland loses this trade easily. They would only do this for a complete reset, which they wouldn’t do for late firsts.

Your objection is noted and overruled…Gabe used to trade 7 players a day, sometimes twice

[Skybox]

Doncic thrives with centers that only dunk, and his game is very similar to Paolo's. Most of Paolo's assists at Duke were to Mark Williams. He likes having a center he can dump it off to when the center comes over to double team him.

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I would love to get a Mark Williams-type and an AJ Griffin-type in our lineup. Paolo is the engine.

[eyriq]

Not for nothing but John Gabriel is the only executive to have ever won NBA executive of the Year in Magic history.

[MagicMatic]

Looking for big trades to stick our nose and cap space into...
NOLA sends: Brandon Ingram, CJ McCollum
NOLA gets: Darius Garland, Wendell Carter

CLE sends: Darius Garland, Jarrett Allen
CLE gets: Brandon Ingram, Jett Howard, Cole Anthony, ORL 26 frp, DEN 25 frp

ORL sends: Wendell Carter, Jett Howard, Cole Anthony, ORL 26 frp, DEN 25 frp, tons of cap space
ORL gets: Jarrett Allen, CJ McCollum

NOLA gets younger and better at two key positions and smoothly inserts Trey/Herb into Ingram's ill-fitted spot next to Zion.
CLE breaks up their two odd couples (presuming a Mitchell re-sign), adds a long-desired scorer at SF, a young shooter, a combo guard sixth-man who can score in bunches, and two frps.
ORL weaponizes it's cap space to facilitate big salaries moving around, gets a better fitting C and an aging but high-scoring leader at PG.

Even if CJ isn't long-term (he could be), he injects much-needed leadership, floor spacing and explosive scoring potential into a beautifully matched starting lineup. ORL still has #18 for some young depth and AB is hopefully moving into the rotation.

CJ McCollum, Anthony Black, Devin Carter (#18)
Suggs, Kevon (could we bring back Harris cheap?)
Franz, Houstan, AB and/or srp
Paolo, Isaac, Mo
Allen, Mo, vet min goon (Goga?)

That's a team built to contend...with a killer starting lineup, admittedly thin after Isaac. Could we pull Cole out of the deal and move him elsewhere for depth...Kispert? Trey Lyles? Derrick Jones SnT?

Again with 7 player trades…

Cleveland loses this trade easily. They would only do this for a complete reset, which they wouldn’t do for late firsts.

Your objection is noted and overruled…Gabe used to trade 7 players a day, sometimes twice

It’s no longer 1995.

Teams aren’t trading multiple starters in single deals thinking they are getting an ideal return because salaries happen to balance out in 2k.

[Skybox]

Not for nothing but John Gabriel is the only executive to have ever won NBA executive of the Year in Magic history.

Suck it haters! Weltman has been playing possum for this summer’s explosion

[Audi]

Not for nothing but John Gabriel is the only executive to have ever won NBA executive of the Year in Magic history.

Hennigan won it for OKC while he was our GM.

[Pattycakes]

DET sends: Duren & Ivey
ORL sends: Wendell Carter, Jett Howard

DET adds much improved shooting at two positions. WCJ is already a better defender and a heady PnR player for Cade. Carter is a well-liked, versatile "vet" for young DET, but still only 25. Jett could be the steal of the trade as he has shown glimpses of offensive creation as well as exceptional range. Bigger, better complement to DET's primary ball handlers. Certainly unproven but on a rookie deal and known to Michigan faithful. Addition of 2 floor spreaders makes Asaur playable as a swiss army knife type of connector/defender/rebounder.

ORL believes Duren's a raw block of athletic granite that Mosely can turn into a tremendous defender. Duren is not an exceptional defender, but his energy, toughness, and athleticism is clear. Ivey is more of a modern Lead Guard, in the same vein as Malik Monk, but younger and potentially with a higher upside. Ivey is not a good fit next to Cade and now Sasser.

How far behind Monk is Ivey? How long did it take Monk to become a good player vs Ivey who, despite criticism re: efficiency, put up numbers as a rookie? How much will Monk get paid vs both of these young incoming guys and what else could ORL do with even more cap space (appx $5m more)? This trade might be a temporary setback (or not) but, long term I think both incoming guys are better fits with far more upside than the two outgoing guys...but I also think it's good for DET.

The dust settles on this trade...draft night?...and we wake up with a better matched/higher upside team and STILL have over $40m in cap space and ALL of our picks intact! Core is entirely under contract...and still below cap with extensions to come.

Claxton (UFA $20 x 4, descending), Duren, Mo Wagner
Paolo, Isaac, Kyle Anderson (UFA $15m x 2, descending w/TO)
Franz, Houstan, AB/Kyle
Suggs, Cole, Kevon
Ivey, AB, Devin Carter (#18)

from what ive read, Detroit loves Duren. Also, not a believer in Ivey. wasnt a great 3 pt shooter in college and not a great 3 pt shooter now. and as you mentioned, inefficient and while he has the tools, not good on defense.

Yeah Detroit hangs up the phone on that one, sorry to break it to you.

Cade as filler?

[mattdelray1220]

I think this was brought up but does this make us not only better but a contender for years to come?

AB And WCJ for Simons

then sign Claxton 4/100.

We can even bring Gary back on a 1+1 as a back up to keep the continuity thing going. Prob try and keep Fultz on a team friendly deal.

Simons Cole Fultz
Suggs Gary
Franz Jett/Caleb
PB Isaac
Claxton Moe

I am not a WCJ hater at all. And I want to see what AB can be. I was just wondering if this moves the needle for us?

[eyriq]

Not for nothing but John Gabriel is the only executive to have ever won NBA executive of the Year in Magic history.

Hennigan won it for OKC while he was our GM.

Damn, what a catastrophe that guy was

[Skybox]

I think this was brought up but does this make us not only better but a contender for years to come?

AB And WCJ for Simons

then sign Claxton 4/100.

We can even bring Gary back on a 1+1 as a back up to keep the continuity thing going. Prob try and keep Fultz on a team friendly deal.

Simons Cole Fultz
Suggs Gary
Franz Jett/Caleb
PB Isaac
Claxton Moe

I am not a WCJ hater at all. And I want to see what AB can be. I was just wondering if this moves the needle for us?

Even I think that's a bit of an overpay...POR have anything to send back? Is Camara too much? Murray? ORL adds DEN frp?

IF Camara is too much of an ask, how about WCJ and an ORL first in 2025 for Simons?

or...WCJ, AB, Cole Anthony, DEN 25 frp (and much-needed cap relief) for Simons & Brogdon ? (re-sign Goga for now, draft Ware?)

I'd do it if we KNEW we had Claxton ready to sign on a reasonable deal. There is benefit to sending out two salaried players.

[Skybox]

DET sends: Duren & Ivey
ORL sends: Wendell Carter, Jett Howard

DET adds much improved shooting at two positions. WCJ is already a better defender and a heady PnR player for Cade. Carter is a well-liked, versatile "vet" for young DET, but still only 25. Jett could be the steal of the trade as he has shown glimpses of offensive creation as well as exceptional range. Bigger, better complement to DET's primary ball handlers. Certainly unproven but on a rookie deal and known to Michigan faithful. Addition of 2 floor spreaders makes Asaur playable as a swiss army knife type of connector/defender/rebounder.

ORL believes Duren's a raw block of athletic granite that Mosely can turn into a tremendous defender. Duren is not an exceptional defender, but his energy, toughness, and athleticism is clear. Ivey is more of a modern Lead Guard, in the same vein as Malik Monk, but younger and potentially with a higher upside. Ivey is not a good fit next to Cade and now Sasser.

How far behind Monk is Ivey? How long did it take Monk to become a good player vs Ivey who, despite criticism re: efficiency, put up numbers as a rookie? How much will Monk get paid vs both of these young incoming guys and what else could ORL do with even more cap space (appx $5m more)? This trade might be a temporary setback (or not) but, long term I think both incoming guys are better fits with far more upside than the two outgoing guys...but I also think it's good for DET.

The dust settles on this trade...draft night?...and we wake up with a better matched/higher upside team and STILL have over $40m in cap space and ALL of our picks intact! Core is entirely under contract...and still below cap with extensions to come.

Claxton (UFA $20 x 4, descending), Duren, Mo Wagner
Paolo, Isaac, Kyle Anderson (UFA $15m x 2, descending w/TO)
Franz, Houstan, AB/Kyle
Suggs, Cole, Kevon
Ivey, AB, Devin Carter (#18)

from what ive read, Detroit loves Duren. Also, not a believer in Ivey. wasnt a great 3 pt shooter in college and not a great 3 pt shooter now. and as you mentioned, inefficient and while he has the tools, not good on defense.

Yeah Detroit hangs up the phone on that one, sorry to break it to you.

DET's guys are pretty incomplete and unproven...It may be a "No", but it's not that outrageous. Duren LOOKS like a wicked defender, but he's not. I'd be betting on Mose building something out of him. Ivey was a bad match the minute they drafted him because SAC wisely passed for a lesser but better fitting talent. DET went BPA...they probably tried to trade Ivey that night. I'm not burying the guys I want, I'm just pointing out the disparity isn't that great...maybe even less if Howard wasn't hidden in the damn G-league all year.

How about if ORL adds a frp?

[MagicMatic]

Stepping back to reality...

The likeliest idea that makes sense is moving Carter + filler (picks, salary) for a guard.

Orlando isn't trading Cole, Jett, or AB. You haven't been paying attention to who Weltman is if you think otherwise.

[MagicMatic]

Prob try and keep Fultz on a team friendly deal.

I was just wondering if this moves the needle for us?

Move AB but keep Fultz?

The only needle that is moving is probably meth into your arm.