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Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 5.0

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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 5.0 

Post#721 » by JF5 » Fri May 17, 2024 8:56 pm

eyriq wrote:One interesting theme I've noticed listening to Orlando Magic staff is roughly an admission that change is coming. I think the "run it back" scenario is extremely unlikely as a result.


A lot of us posters have been saying this most of the year. It was common sense they were going to go after veteran players in or near their prime that fit the needs of the team during the offseason.

The vocal minority just wanted the team to make these changes expeditiously during the season as if this was going to push the team to title contention after essentially 1 year after drafting their Franchise player. (Which is absolutely crazy logic like you're playing NBA 2k)

On top of chastising the FO like they didnt draft the players that this fanbase and most NBA fans and analysts have high hopes in trajectory of is odd. Most NBA Players in the league speak VERY highly of the squad and the culture on top of that. It's like the consensus of the NBA view this organization as well run since they hired Weltman and John Hammond (no longer here). You'd think with what they've done they would get some leeway.
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 5.0 

Post#722 » by anothermagicfan » Fri May 17, 2024 9:02 pm

davey_wavy wrote:
eyriq wrote:
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Two way guard eliminates Monk & Trey

Dejounte (via trade) and Klay (overpay) perhaps?



Two way guards with good 3 point shooting?

OG Anunoby?
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Post#723 » by Message Boar » Fri May 17, 2024 9:24 pm

Calling Klay "two-way" in 2024 going on 2025 is massively generous.
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Post#724 » by Skybox » Fri May 17, 2024 9:29 pm

anothermagicfan wrote:
davey_wavy wrote:
eyriq wrote:
Read on Twitter
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Two way guard eliminates Monk & Trey

Dejounte (via trade) and Klay (overpay) perhaps?



Two way guards with good 3 point shooting?

OG Anunoby?
not really a guard and I don’t think Klay’s still a 2-way player
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Post#725 » by RookieStar » Fri May 17, 2024 9:35 pm

anothermagicfan wrote:
davey_wavy wrote:
eyriq wrote:
Read on Twitter
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Two way guard eliminates Monk & Trey

Dejounte (via trade) and Klay (overpay) perhaps?



Two way guards with good 3 point shooting?

OG Anunoby?


OG a guard? Yeah.. that dude is a straight line driver.
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Post#726 » by RookieStar » Fri May 17, 2024 9:35 pm

eyriq wrote:Smoke about Mitchell staying in Cleveland

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uh-oh.. he gone
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 5.0 

Post#727 » by eyriq » Fri May 17, 2024 9:36 pm

davey_wavy wrote:
eyriq wrote:
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Two way guard eliminates Monk & Trey

Dejounte (via trade) and Klay (overpay) perhaps?
I just don't think Murray is a real option, his cultural fit is very questionable. I personally have Klay as the front runner. I think it's Klay first, then Monk, then trade.
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Post#728 » by JoshuaPotter » Fri May 17, 2024 9:55 pm

eyriq wrote:
davey_wavy wrote:
eyriq wrote:
Read on Twitter
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Two way guard eliminates Monk & Trey

Dejounte (via trade) and Klay (overpay) perhaps?
I just don't think Murray is a real option, his cultural fit is very questionable. I personally have Klay as the front runner. I think it's Klay first, then Monk, then trade.


Unfortunately I have to agree. In terms of timeline. If you wanted to develop Howard or AB into something in the background. You would sign someone like Klay and see how he fits into the roster construction.

I have a feeling though that Steph Curry gravity was a major reason why Klay was as good as he was.

Yes, I said was.
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Post#729 » by The-Stallion70 » Fri May 17, 2024 10:32 pm

I don't see why we necessarily have to pigeonhole ourselves into getting these types of players. Shouldn't we take the best talent available and not limit ourselves? This just feels like a Devos/Martin's Christian brotherhood top down order way of building a basketball team.
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Post#730 » by anothermagicfan » Fri May 17, 2024 10:47 pm

RookieStar wrote:
anothermagicfan wrote:
davey_wavy wrote:
Two way guard eliminates Monk & Trey

Dejounte (via trade) and Klay (overpay) perhaps?



Two way guards with good 3 point shooting?

OG Anunoby?


OG a guard? Yeah.. that dude is a straight line driver.



Yeah but this is the position less league now lol. You're either a PG a wing or a big
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Post#731 » by orlando_joe » Fri May 17, 2024 11:13 pm

eyriq wrote:
davey_wavy wrote:
eyriq wrote:
Read on Twitter
?t=V8OB_5qozQ0LIZT3iixOIw&s=19


Two way guard eliminates Monk & Trey

Dejounte (via trade) and Klay (overpay) perhaps?
I just don't think Murray is a real option, his cultural fit is very questionable. I personally have Klay as the front runner. I think it's Klay first, then Monk, then trade.

i hope klay is # 62
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Post#732 » by RookieStar » Fri May 17, 2024 11:51 pm

anothermagicfan wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
anothermagicfan wrote:

Two way guards with good 3 point shooting?

OG Anunoby?


OG a guard? Yeah.. that dude is a straight line driver.



Yeah but this is the position less league now lol. You're either a PG a wing or a big


Aaannndd we need a PG which OG is not. He cant playmake and he doesnt have the handles.

We basically need a dude that handles the ball, dribble around the court and like a magney attracts and destroys the opponents defensive schemes and can shoot 3s or pass the ball to Paolo in his sweet spot
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Post#733 » by Skybox » Fri May 17, 2024 11:58 pm

JoshuaPotter wrote:
eyriq wrote:
davey_wavy wrote:
Two way guard eliminates Monk & Trey

Dejounte (via trade) and Klay (overpay) perhaps?
I just don't think Murray is a real option, his cultural fit is very questionable. I personally have Klay as the front runner. I think it's Klay first, then Monk, then trade.


Unfortunately I have to agree. In terms of timeline. If you wanted to develop Howard or AB into something in the background. You would sign someone like Klay and see how he fits into the roster construction.

I have a feeling though that Steph Curry gravity was a major reason why Klay was as good as he was.

Yes, I said was.


Klay's already looking like Kennard and we don't want Kennard for 1/3 the salary. Let the man finish out his career in GSW and go out with Steph in a couple of years. Klay should accept the pay cut (to a measly $25m :o ) and be the hero (again) for GSW fans.
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 5.0 

Post#734 » by Skybox » Sat May 18, 2024 12:04 am

anothermagicfan wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
anothermagicfan wrote:

Two way guards with good 3 point shooting?

OG Anunoby?


OG a guard? Yeah.. that dude is a straight line driver.



Yeah but this is the position less league now lol. You're either a PG a wing or a big


...that only works if the players are multi-skilled. OG, for example, has the same limited skill set as Suggs, in a much bigger body. I think Brad Stevens' breakdown (he's the first place I heard it) was...ballhandler, wing, big

Regardless of size, Suggs has to fall into wing because he just has awful handles...but Franz & Paolo would certainly be ball handlers. Even Stevens' three classifications is more limiting terms than "position less"...our own Paolo & Franz clearly defy categories as 6'10 ball handlers. I immediately ignored the Ingram idea, but how about 3 truly position less, long guys that can each handle, pass, and score 30 on a given night...how do you defend that?
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Post#735 » by Knightro » Sat May 18, 2024 12:12 am

I'll say again... I wouldn't read too much into Paolo's remarks and try and make sweeping proclamations about what the Magic plan to do based off of them.

Other than the point guard remark...
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Post#736 » by RichCollab » Sat May 18, 2024 12:26 am

Knightro wrote:I'll say again... I wouldn't read too much into Paolo's remarks and try and make sweeping proclamations about what the Magic plan to do based off of them.

Other than the point guard remark...


Just because he mentioned PG it doesn’t means he wants a traditional PG.
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Post#737 » by RookieStar » Sat May 18, 2024 12:46 am

RichCollab wrote:
Knightro wrote:I'll say again... I wouldn't read too much into Paolo's remarks and try and make sweeping proclamations about what the Magic plan to do based off of them.

Other than the point guard remark...


Just because he mentioned PG it doesn’t means he wants a traditional PG.


Orrrrr.... conspiracy theory : he could mean he wants the real PG to sign with us lol
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Post#738 » by Skybox » Sat May 18, 2024 1:02 am

This Ingram thing is growing on me...I immediately discarded it but...if you're going to have redundant players - how do you stop 3 guys, ranging from 6'8 to 6'10, who can all handle at a high level, score inside & out, and gather 5 assists each?

I've been saying all season that you can't just give it to Paolo (or Franz) and watch...he's extremely capable, but it's just not a sustainable offensive (lack of a) scheme...BUT, what if you had THREE of them and, as time went on, they developed great ball movement between them? :o It would be a completely unprecedented offensive approach, coupled with ORL's elite team defense. Three of them would be nearly impossible to stop...exponentially more difficult than just Paolo & Franz...especially if Suggs & WCJ can keep hitting those open 3's. Completely unconventional -which is exciting!

ORL could simply absorb Ingram into cap space, but there will certainly be a cost to obtain him from NOLA, even if he's worn out his welcome there. You can assume that Paolo, Franz, and Suggs are not available...I have no doubt that Weltman would simply drop out of the Ingram sweepstakes if that were not the case.

How much value does NOLA place on the significant cap space ORL could provide?
Is it a given that Ingram deserves a max deal next year ($50m per)? I'd certainly want an extension agreed to.
Would NOLA accept a largely pick-heavy offer or are win-now players what they demand?
*maybe ORL sends picks to POR, who sends a vet or two to NOLA...Brogdon, even Ayton :o ?

I don't see how ORL could fill the hole at C if they sent WCJ to NOLA (who'd be great with Zion)...maybe if they sent more salaried players, ORL would maintain enough cap space to go chase Claxton or Hartenstein...but they'd be getting into DEEP financial water.

Might have to include Isaac, who NOLA fans will resist because of the injury history, but when he's on the court, there's NOBODY like him and he was solid all year, even in limited minutes. That might also be a non-starter for Coach Mosely whose defensive culture will define him as a coach (hopefully not his offense-so far :lol: ). Isaac's salary is expiring next summer and he's likely yet another Magic player expecting a raise - perhaps Weltman sells him off while he's ambulatory and before he's talking about an extension?

Not sure how much NOLA expects back and how much they want rid of him and who else would have the room or the trade return to satisfy NOLA...even if ORL just sent them 3 frps and a swap and took Ingram into cap space, NOLA would then be armed and ready to make the next deal with those picks and TE.

Also, is Ingram a D@#k? I really don't know what kind of guy he is.

What if we're ready to call Isaac a Center?

Then...
WCJ, Cole Anthony, Jett Howard (30m going out), ORL 25 frp, DEN 25 frp
for Ingram (36m coming in)

we'd still have significant cap space to fill in the roster:

Suggs, AB, FA-Kris Dunn?
Ingram, Kevon Harris, Terrence Shannon (drops to second round-trade up with future srps to grab him)
Franz, Houstan
Paolo, FA-Kyle Anderson?
Isaac, M. Wagner, Ware (#18)
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 5.0 

Post#739 » by OnlyFranz22 » Sat May 18, 2024 1:18 am

Crazy TJ McConell would’ve been our best PG this season
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Post#740 » by Skybox » Sat May 18, 2024 2:06 am

OnlyFranz22 wrote:Crazy TJ McConell would’ve been our best PG this season


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