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CocoaFan wrote:

Residual-Heat wrote:

CocoaFan wrote:The issue with Murray is Atlanta will want Suggs who would be the perfect fit next to Trae. I wouldn't give up Suggs for Murray. Too much risk on the chemistry side. If they want Black and Carter I'd be all for it.

Its not just about what the Hawks want though, its about what they can get. No one is giving them a good young player like Suggs. They will have to settle for what they can get, and if you look around the league, most teams are already set at PG and do not need Murray. Our biggest competition is probably going to be the Pelicans. The Pelicans could offer up Dyson Daniels, who probably has similar value to Black (probably less IMO). What the Pelicans can offer that we cant/wont is a really good vet in return. They could offer Ingram who should fit in well with them. Unless the Magic can find a 3rd team to take their assets, they cant offer someone that good.

We could sweeten the Carter + Black offer to the Hawks for Murray by adding Isaac and taking back Hunter. Hunter is over paid but seems like he could fill Isaac's role. Isaac's injury history scares me about investing in him long term.

Creativetran wrote:

thelead wrote:But… why would he? Why would he specifically want to be in Orlando?

Maybe he’s got gang ties to a gang in pine hills?

Skybox wrote:

CocoaFan wrote:

Residual-Heat wrote:Its not just about what the Hawks want though, its about what they can get. No one is giving them a good young player like Suggs. They will have to settle for what they can get, and if you look around the league, most teams are already set at PG and do not need Murray. Our biggest competition is probably going to be the Pelicans. The Pelicans could offer up Dyson Daniels, who probably has similar value to Black (probably less IMO). What the Pelicans can offer that we cant/wont is a really good vet in return. They could offer Ingram who should fit in well with them. Unless the Magic can find a 3rd team to take their assets, they cant offer someone that good.

We could sweeten the Carter + Black offer to the Hawks for Murray by adding Isaac and taking back Hunter. Hunter is over paid but seems like he could fill Isaac's role. Isaac's injury history scares me about investing in him long term.

Thinking about this…hard to pay more than a ‘Core 4’ and Isaac is heading for a payday - right when the rookie extensions kick in. He brings amazing defensive impact but, given his injury history & lack of offense, maybe selling high to get a more balanced core is smart. Nobody should be completely untouchable…it’s strategic team-building - I’m sure IND didn’t “want” to move Sabonis but it sure worked out. Hunter is a negative value, but a good versatile forward…maybe taking him into cap space let’s us keep a pick that would’ve been included in the deal…

ORL sends: Isaac, Jett, DEN 25, ORL 26 (top 8 protected)
ATL sends: Murray, Hunter, Griffin

Skybox wrote:

CocoaFan wrote:

Residual-Heat wrote:Its not just about what the Hawks want though, its about what they can get. No one is giving them a good young player like Suggs. They will have to settle for what they can get, and if you look around the league, most teams are already set at PG and do not need Murray. Our biggest competition is probably going to be the Pelicans. The Pelicans could offer up Dyson Daniels, who probably has similar value to Black (probably less IMO). What the Pelicans can offer that we cant/wont is a really good vet in return. They could offer Ingram who should fit in well with them. Unless the Magic can find a 3rd team to take their assets, they cant offer someone that good.

We could sweeten the Carter + Black offer to the Hawks for Murray by adding Isaac and taking back Hunter. Hunter is over paid but seems like he could fill Isaac's role. Isaac's injury history scares me about investing in him long term.

Thinking about this…hard to pay more than a ‘Core 4’ and Isaac is heading for a payday - right when the rookie extensions kick in. He brings amazing defensive impact but, given his injury history & lack of offense, maybe selling high to get a more balanced core is smart. Nobody should be completely untouchable…it’s strategic team-building - I’m sure IND didn’t “want” to move Sabonis but it sure worked out. Hunter is a negative value, but a good versatile forward…maybe taking him into cap space let’s us keep a pick that would’ve been included in the deal…

ORL sends: Isaac, Jett, DEN 25, ORL 26 (top 8 protected)
ATL sends: Murray, Hunter, Griffin

Skybox wrote:

Creativetran wrote:

thelead wrote:But… why would he? Why would he specifically want to be in Orlando?

Maybe he’s got gang ties to a gang in pine hills?

Definitely not getting that vibe from Simons (for better or worse)

#straightouttaLongwood

RichCollab wrote:I’m 100% running it back if we win tonight!

bigdogdylan5 wrote:This offseason could get really interesting if Booker asks out. There is a good chance we would make it onto his list.

zaymon wrote:

bigdogdylan5 wrote:This offseason could get really interesting if Booker asks out. There is a good chance we would make it onto his list.

There is interesting debate to be had. Booker vs Young. Size vs passing

cedric76 wrote:

zaymon wrote:

bigdogdylan5 wrote:This offseason could get really interesting if Booker asks out. There is a good chance we would make it onto his list.

There is interesting debate to be had. Booker vs Young. Size vs passing

Booker would be very nice here but would cost a lot.

You can get a lesser player (monk) for less

zaymon wrote:

cedric76 wrote:

zaymon wrote:
There is interesting debate to be had. Booker vs Young. Size vs passing

Booker would be very nice here but would cost a lot.

You can get a lesser player (monk) for less

Sure but Monk has both problems. Trae size with Booker passing. I am not saying its bad move but it propably doesnt resolve any of our long term problems. Its just moving salary into tradeable body.

MagicMatic wrote:

RichCollab wrote:I’m 100% running it back if we win tonight!

I think I’m still finding something for Gary Harris and Fultz replacements.

Gary has been otherworldly awful. Fultz borderline unplayable.

RichCollab wrote:

MagicMatic wrote:

RichCollab wrote:I’m 100% running it back if we win tonight!

I think I’m still finding something for Gary Harris and Fultz replacements.

Gary has been otherworldly awful. Fultz borderline unplayable.

Gary’s defense has been pretty major actually. Others are proving the offense like Fultz with 12 points.

This is what we do.

MasterGMer wrote:

RichCollab wrote:

MagicMatic wrote:
I think I’m still finding something for Gary Harris and Fultz replacements.

Gary has been otherworldly awful. Fultz borderline unplayable.

Gary’s defense has been pretty major actually. Others are proving the offense like Fultz with 12 points.

This is what we do.

Gary has actually been shooting well this series. He is just not a volume 3 point shooter. But he is definitely capable. If we need shooter, I'd prefer Harris to Klay. Much cheaper and much better defense. But I still want Malik Monk though

dakomish23 wrote:Knicks fan here. I think Immanuel Quickley would be a seamless fit into your starting lineup

dakomish23 wrote:Knicks fan here. I think Immanuel Quickley would be a seamless fit into your starting lineup