Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 4.0

[cedric76]

The locked on jazz guy says this a lot and I've heard it in other places too but to build a championship contender you need the top 10 top 20 and top 50 guy. Everything else is easy to acquire.

I don’t think it’s quite that simple. Suns.

They don't have depth

Because they overpaid them

Beal, 6th salary and he is not a top 50 player
Durand, 2nd salary and booker 25th

[cedric76]

I don’t think it’s quite that simple. Suns.

They don't have depth

See, it’s not so easy then?

Lakers?

This is what happen when you let ledouche manage your cap lol

Westbrook and ledouche were 3rd and 4th highest contract and ad was 15th.
Dumb

[eyriq]

See, it’s not so easy then?

Lakers?

Also, the Suns are contenders. The Lakers just won a chip a few seasons ago. Not sure who their top 50 guy is tbh

Who is top 50 for Denver?

Good question. Aaron Gordon? Porter Jr?

[RichCollab]

Also, the Suns are contenders. The Lakers just won a chip a few seasons ago. Not sure who their top 50 guy is tbh

Who is top 50 for Denver?

Good question. Aaron Gordon? Porter Jr?

You could probably argue both are some where in the top 50 - 70.

[RichCollab]

Suns fatal mistake was Beal?

[KillMonger]

Thoughts on de'anthony Melton?

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[Residual-Heat]

Thoughts on de'anthony Melton?

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solid player, not the right fit for the Magic

[Knightro]

Also, the Suns are contenders. The Lakers just won a chip a few seasons ago. Not sure who their top 50 guy is tbh

Who is top 50 for Denver?

Good question. Aaron Gordon? Porter Jr?

The top 10, 20, 50 calculus changes when your top 10 guy is the best player in the league.

I would also say Murray and Gordon are both top 50.

[eyriq]

Who is top 50 for Denver?

Good question. Aaron Gordon? Porter Jr?

The top 10, 20, 50 calculus changes when your top 10 guy is the best player in the league.

I would also say Murray and Gordon are both top 50.

That team is stacked.

[MagicMatic]

The locked on jazz guy says this a lot and I've heard it in other places too but to build a championship contender you need the top 10 top 20 and top 50 guy. Everything else is easy to acquire.

The other side to this is that it’s going to be nearly impossible to have 3 max players and field a competitive team after this season. You can basically have 2 at most if you want to fill out your roster with good players. We already have those two basically.

This is why Orlando doesn’t need an established top 20-50 guy as people already suggest. They either need to find a guy that is already solid and can fill in as they get better, or a guy that matches the timeframe with a defined skillset they lack.

[Knightro]

The locked on jazz guy says this a lot and I've heard it in other places too but to build a championship contender you need the top 10 top 20 and top 50 guy. Everything else is easy to acquire.

The other side to this is that it’s going to be nearly impossible to have 3 max players and field a competitive team after this season. You can basically have 2 at most if you want to fill out your roster with good players. We already have those two basically.

This is why Orlando doesn’t need an established top 20-50 guy as people already suggest. They either need to find a guy that is already solid and can fill in as they get better, or a guy that matches the timeframe with a defined skillset they lack.

Respectfully, I don't agree with this. NBA owners want fans, and especially players, to believe it's going to be harder to field competitive teams so they can kill the middle class and ultimately pay players less than they're worth.

But nothing is impossible. The NBA doesn't have a hard cap.

The luxury tax is not as penal as people think until you're over the second apron and a repeat offender.

The Magic won't be either of those things for *at least* three or four seasons, if ever.

Frankly, this is time to strike while the iron is hot considering other East teams are already much further down the financial road than the Magic are.

Worry about the difficult decisions surrounding the future of your roster later on down the road. Not now.

[Residual-Heat]

I wish this team could add a prime Kyle Lowry.

[MagicMatic]

The locked on jazz guy says this a lot and I've heard it in other places too but to build a championship contender you need the top 10 top 20 and top 50 guy. Everything else is easy to acquire.

The other side to this is that it’s going to be nearly impossible to have 3 max players and field a competitive team after this season. You can basically have 2 at most if you want to fill out your roster with good players. We already have those two basically.

This is why Orlando doesn’t need an established top 20-50 guy as people already suggest. They either need to find a guy that is already solid and can fill in as they get better, or a guy that matches the timeframe with a defined skillset they lack.

Respectfully, I don't agree with this. NBA owners want fans, and especially players, to believe it's going to be harder to field competitive teams so they can kill the middle class and ultimately pay players less than they're worth.

But nothing is impossible. The NBA doesn't have a hard cap.

The luxury tax is not as penal as people think until you're over the second apron and a repeat offender.

The Magic won't be either of those things for *at least* three or four seasons, if ever.

Frankly, this is time to strike while the iron is hot considering other East teams are already much further down the financial road than the Magic are.

Worry about the difficult decisions surrounding the future of your roster later on down the road. Not now.

Magic aren’t paying 3 guys max money and going to be able to field a real team. That’s not for 3-5 years from now, but it’s the truth if they plan on building a sustainable roster. Orlando’s ownership isn’t paying that tax either . Not trying to be Phoenix 2.0 because people live in fantasy land.

And yeah, Orlando is in a GOOD spot. Let’s keep it that way for a little bit until the ceiling is capped. I have no problem with them going out and getting a guy to fill in, but this talk of Booker etc. is borderline absurd 2k talk from Twitter children.

[eyriq]

The locked on jazz guy says this a lot and I've heard it in other places too but to build a championship contender you need the top 10 top 20 and top 50 guy. Everything else is easy to acquire.

The other side to this is that it’s going to be nearly impossible to have 3 max players and field a competitive team after this season. You can basically have 2 at most if you want to fill out your roster with good players. We already have those two basically.

This is why Orlando doesn’t need an established top 20-50 guy as people already suggest. They either need to find a guy that is already solid and can fill in as they get better, or a guy that matches the timeframe with a defined skillset they lack.

Yeah, I agree about not needing an established top 20-50 guy right now. We have 5 lotto talents to develop into critical roles and 3 of them, Paolo, Franz, and Suggs, already look like homeruns.

This is why I like idea of using pre-extension cap space on an elite role playing veteran like Klay. They boost us now without blocking lotto talent.

[byeganyo]

Hypothetical: you can get Bradley Beal in the offseason without giving up assets. Would you do it?

He has no trade clause, so he should agree/want to come here.

He is owed 57 m in 2026-7 too, which is another small hindrance.

[Residual-Heat]

Hypothetical: you can get Bradley Beal in the offseason without giving up assets. Would you do it?

He has no trade clause, so he should agree/want to come here.

He is owed 57 m in 2026-7 too, which is another small hindrance.

In this hypothetical, Beal agrees to get traded to the Magic. 57 mill is a lot of money, no doubt the guy is overpaid.

I dont know if I would make the trade, but think about how much better this team would be if they replaced Harris with Beal.

[RichCollab]

Hypothetical: you can get Bradley Beal in the offseason without giving up assets. Would you do it?

He has no trade clause, so he should agree/want to come here.

He is owed 57 m in 2026-7 too, which is another small hindrance.

In this hypothetical, Beal agrees to get traded to the Magic. 57 mill is a lot of money, no doubt the guy is overpaid.

I dont know if I would make the trade, but think about how much better this team would be if they replaced Harris with Beal.

Beal is injured more than Harris. 57 million? What are you smoking?

[Knightro]

Magic aren’t paying 3 guys max money and going to be able to field a real team. That’s not for 3-5 years from now, but it’s the truth if they plan on building a sustainable roster. Orlando’s ownership isn’t paying that tax either . Not trying to be Phoenix 2.0 because people live in fantasy land.

And yeah, Orlando is in a GOOD spot. Let’s keep it that way for a little bit until the ceiling is capped. I have no problem with them going out and getting a guy to fill in, but this talk of Booker etc. is borderline absurd 2k talk from Twitter children.

There are vastly different degrees of "max" contract though.

Year ---- 6 years or less ---- 7-9 years ---- 10+ years
2024/25 - $36,725,670 - $44,070,804 - $51,415,938
2025/26 - $39,446,090 - $47,335,308 - $55,224,526
2026/27 - $42,166,510 - $50,599,512 - $59,033,114
2027/28 - $44,886,930 - $53,864,316 - $62,841,702

There's a massive gap between the $36M max that Franz will agree to this summer and somebody like Damian Lillard who is making $54.2 and $58.6M in the last two years of his deal.

That 20 extra million that a guy like Lillard makes, when you spread out over 3 different max contracts is the equivalent to a 4th max deal.

The cap next year is going to be $141M with the luxury tax at $172M. The second apron of the luxury tax is going to be $190M. All of those figures are going to keep increasing over the next 7-10 years with the new television contracts and the two expansion teams that will inevitably be added in the next 4-5 years.

The Magic won't really be in any sort of real financial danger until Paolo, Franz and Suggs are signing their third contracts to be frank.

They are in a great position to get aggressive without really hurting the long-term future as much as people think.

The teams that are in the most trouble in the short term are the teams like the Clippers and Bucks and Celtics, the ones who have been actively trying to win the championship for the last 5-6 years.

[Residual-Heat]

He has no trade clause, so he should agree/want to come here.

He is owed 57 m in 2026-7 too, which is another small hindrance.

In this hypothetical, Beal agrees to get traded to the Magic. 57 mill is a lot of money, no doubt the guy is overpaid.

I dont know if I would make the trade, but think about how much better this team would be if they replaced Harris with Beal.

Beal is injured more than Harris. 57 million? What are you smoking?

57 mill is what he's paid in his final year, that is just his contract. Like i said, he's overpaid. He may be paid 5x more than Harris but he is also 5x better than him

[Knightro]

I would not go for Beal.

In the last five years he's played 57, 60, 40, 50 and 53 games. Not enough availability to justify the price tag the last two years of his deal.