Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 4.0

[RichCollab]

Magic are proving to be an attractive FA destination, and if they attack it right, they could get lucky.

If they wanted Tyus Jones, I think that would be an easy slam dunk, and if they got him early, that could really entice someone like Paul George to come.

Tyus Jones / Paul George / Franz Wagner / Paolo Banchero / Wendell Carter Jr
Anthony Black / Jalen Suggs / Jett Howard / Jonathan Isaac / Mo Wagner

That's a team that competes with Boston.

Paul George wants a full max. Are you willing to give a guy who turns 34 years old in three days a 4 year, 212.2M deal?

That would shake out like this....

Year 1, Age 34: $49,350,000
Year 2, Age 35: $51,817,500 (Franz and Suggs extensions kicked in)
Year 3, Age 36: $54,285,000 (Paolo extension kicked in)
Year 4, Age 37: $56,752,500

Yes, if you think he is the missing piece

1st, you LL be in the luxury tax only 2 yrs, not the end of the world after saving money for the past 10 yrs

2nd, you d front load that contract so, you r not that much above the apron

3rd, if you go after pg13, you can't get Tyus (we don't need him anyway) and you need to let Joe+chuma+Harris go and trade away Cole



Suggs, AB
Pg13, Jett
Franz, Houstan
Paolo, Moe
Wcj, JI

Would be such a sexy team BUT I m sure weham will deliver an even better team

I have HIGH hope on Jett

Do you know anything about our ownership?

[RichCollab]

Here’s a trade idea…

Orlando sends:

Wendell Carter Jr
Jett Howard
2025 Denver pick.

To Charlotte for:

Mark Williams
Tre Mann
Davis Bertans

Why for Orlando?

They let Fultz walk and add Mann. He’s able to hit shots and run the point guard spot until Black can. Mark Williams is a solid defensive Center that has experience playing with Paolo. He’s the prize in this trade. You aren’t getting a better Center in this draft. Davis Bertans will be expiring and is solid vet depth off the bench that can stretch the floor for a season. Orlando doesn’t need to get younger with another pick via Denver in 2025 draft. This team can decide whether or not they want to resign Mann and Bertans after a season. Magic are in the playoffs now. I don’t see Jett joining the starting lineup for at least 2 seasons.

Why for Charlotte?

Carter gets them more experience on a decent value contract. Jett Howard gives them another option to stretch the floor and can potentially start at SG next to Ball and Miller. Another first round pick with potentially a top 2024 3-5 pick is a good spot to rebuild around their core. They aren’t potentially in the playoffs for at least another season.

Mark Williams is an amazing target

How so? He played 19 games last season. He played 43 games the season before.

Shooting, availability, and experience are our 3 biggest issues.

We have the number 1 defense this postseason.

[MagicMatic]

Here’s a trade idea…

Orlando sends:

Wendell Carter Jr
Jett Howard
2025 Denver pick.

To Charlotte for:

Mark Williams
Tre Mann
Davis Bertans

Why for Orlando?

They let Fultz walk and add Mann. He’s able to hit shots and run the point guard spot until Black can. Mark Williams is a solid defensive Center that has experience playing with Paolo. He’s the prize in this trade. You aren’t getting a better Center in this draft. Davis Bertans will be expiring and is solid vet depth off the bench that can stretch the floor for a season. Orlando doesn’t need to get younger with another pick via Denver in 2025 draft. This team can decide whether or not they want to resign Mann and Bertans after a season. Magic are in the playoffs now. I don’t see Jett joining the starting lineup for at least 2 seasons.

Why for Charlotte?

Carter gets them more experience on a decent value contract. Jett Howard gives them another option to stretch the floor and can potentially start at SG next to Ball and Miller. Another first round pick with potentially a top 2024 3-5 pick is a good spot to rebuild around their core. They aren’t potentially in the playoffs for at least another season.

Mark Williams is an amazing target

How so? He played 19 games last season. He played 43 games the season before.

Shooting, availability, and experience are our 3 biggest issues.

We have the number 1 defense this postseason.

Rim protection and better interior spacing for Paolo. Right now it’s like Paolo crashing into a wall of bodies with Carter chilling on the perimeter on offense. Yeah, he’s a good outlet out there, but ideally your other 3 players are keeping defenses honest instead. Mark Williams at Duke was feasting underneath as an outlet with Paolo. He’s an above the rim player and Carter is not. I also wouldn’t say Carter is the most reliable guy in the world.

[basketballRob]

Sacramento is starting to worry that Orlando will sign Monk.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1xluF61MDfpcIGXWVOC7Jg?si=TuxBAKRNSfubWcsGJmhH5Q

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[eyriq]

Sacramento is starting to worry that Orlando will sign Monk.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1xluF61MDfpcIGXWVOC7Jg?si=TuxBAKRNSfubWcsGJmhH5Q

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He's a really obvious fit

[RichCollab]

Mark Williams is an amazing target

How so? He played 19 games last season. He played 43 games the season before.

Shooting, availability, and experience are our 3 biggest issues.

We have the number 1 defense this postseason.

Rim protection and better interior spacing for Paolo. Right now it’s like Paolo crashing into a wall of bodies with Carter chilling on the perimeter on offense. Yeah, he’s a good outlet out there, but ideally your other 3 players are keeping defenses honest instead. Mark Williams at Duke was feasting underneath as an outlet with Paolo.

The last two games WCJ has been instrumental in our turn around putting a body on Allen and Mobley. Listen to players and coach after game press conferences. Also, WCJ switched out on Mitchell a couple of times and didn’t give him wide open shots.

We are so fixated on blocking shots. Our defense is great, lol!

Mark Williams in no way is better than WCJ at spacing. WCJ hit two back breaking 3s last game.

Mark Williams isn’t on the court enough to matter.

[MagicMatic]

How so? He played 19 games last season. He played 43 games the season before.

Shooting, availability, and experience are our 3 biggest issues.

We have the number 1 defense this postseason.

Rim protection and better interior spacing for Paolo. Right now it’s like Paolo crashing into a wall of bodies with Carter chilling on the perimeter on offense. Yeah, he’s a good outlet out there, but ideally your other 3 players are keeping defenses honest instead. Mark Williams at Duke was feasting underneath as an outlet with Paolo.

The last two games WCJ has been instrumental in our turn around putting a body on Allen and Mobley. Listen to players and coach after game press conferences. Also, WCJ switched out on Mitchell a couple of times and didn’t give him wide open shots.

We are so fixated on blocking shots. Our defense is great, lol!

Mark Williams in no way is better than WCJ at spacing. WCJ hit two back breaking 3s last game.

Mark Williams isn’t on the court enough to matter.

Yeah I already explained the advantage covering Paolo's weaknesses and highlighting his strengths. You can ignore that if you want, but Im not forgoing a better fit because Carter hit some shots in a game. Carter also only played 40 games his first two seasons in the league also. So theres that.

[byeganyo]

"September 3, 2022: Traded Ochai Agbaji, Lauri Markkanen, Collin Sexton, a 2025 1st round draft pick, a 2026 1st round draft pick, a 2027 1st round draft pick, a 2028 1st round draft pick and a 2029 1st round draft pick to the Utah Jazz for Donovan Mitchell. Cleveland also received a trade exception 2025 1st-rd pick is CLE own 2026 1st-rd pick is a right to swap 2027 1st-rd pick is CLE own 2028 1st-rd pick is a right to swap 2029 1st-rd pick is CLE own"

That's a lot of value for very little return. They went all in on a contender and now they're ready to fire their coach in the midst of an identity crisis.

Minnesota is a positive example. Everyone laughed about the Gobert trade but he was Utah's best player & the floor raiser. They added a guy to improve their weakness (Defense) & they done it without losing McDaniels, instead send a extra pick who probably will never be as good as McDaniels is unlike the Cavs losing picks & good young players to double down on small guards.
Not a perfect trade (til they win a chip) because even without McDaniels they overpaid a bit pickwise, because Goberts value was at a alltime low leaquewide, but they are a real contender now instead of a laughing stock like the last 15 years.

My question for them; is it worth moving up the championship window when Edwards is still so young and very unlikely to lead them to a chip?

What's the point of contending if you aren't really a viable contender? By the time Edwards is ready to lead them Gobert is going to be out of his prime.

This is a very weird take - Minnesota just won their FIRST play off series in 20 years and 4-0 mind you... but there was no point in it in your opinion?
What are they supposed to do - wait another 20 years for a better allignment of the stars?
They are contending now and are doing it by trading for the right players...

[eyriq]

Minnesota is a positive example. Everyone laughed about the Gobert trade but he was Utah's best player & the floor raiser. They added a guy to improve their weakness (Defense) & they done it without losing McDaniels, instead send a extra pick who probably will never be as good as McDaniels is unlike the Cavs losing picks & good young players to double down on small guards.
Not a perfect trade (til they win a chip) because even without McDaniels they overpaid a bit pickwise, because Goberts value was at a alltime low leaquewide, but they are a real contender now instead of a laughing stock like the last 15 years.

My question for them; is it worth moving up the championship window when Edwards is still so young and very unlikely to lead them to a chip?

What's the point of contending if you aren't really a viable contender? By the time Edwards is ready to lead them Gobert is going to be out of his prime.

This is a very weird take - Minnesota just won their FIRST play off series in 20 years and 4-0 mind you... but there was no point in it in your opinion?
What are they supposed to do - wait another 20 years for a better allignment of the stars?
They are contending now and are doing it by trading for the right players...

Going all in now and coming up short opens the door to the same issues that drove KG out of Minnesota. Is their current build sustainable and what will they do roster wise to contend during Edwards prime?

[RichCollab]

My question for them; is it worth moving up the championship window when Edwards is still so young and very unlikely to lead them to a chip?

What's the point of contending if you aren't really a viable contender? By the time Edwards is ready to lead them Gobert is going to be out of his prime.

This is a very weird take - Minnesota just won their FIRST play off series in 20 years and 4-0 mind you... but there was no point in it in your opinion?
What are they supposed to do - wait another 20 years for a better allignment of the stars?
They are contending now and are doing it by trading for the right players...

Going all in now and coming up short opens the door to the same issues that drove KG out of Minnesota. Is their current build sustainable and what will they do roster wise to contend during Edwards prime?

Ant seems ready to me. Gobert and Towns are ready.

[eyriq]

This is a very weird take - Minnesota just won their FIRST play off series in 20 years and 4-0 mind you... but there was no point in it in your opinion?
What are they supposed to do - wait another 20 years for a better allignment of the stars?
They are contending now and are doing it by trading for the right players...

Going all in now and coming up short opens the door to the same issues that drove KG out of Minnesota. Is their current build sustainable and what will they do roster wise to contend during Edwards prime?

Ant seems ready to me. Gobert and Towns are ready.

Ready to get beat in the second round.

[Knightro]

Mark Williams missing most of a season with a mysterious back injury at such a young age is very concerning to me.

I don’t like messing with back injuries for big guys.

Maybe they were just holding him out for tanking purposes, but his remarks at the end of the season didn’t make it seem like that was the case.

[Knightro]

Sacramento is starting to worry that Orlando will sign Monk.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1xluF61MDfpcIGXWVOC7Jg?si=TuxBAKRNSfubWcsGJmhH5Q

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He's a really obvious fit

Monk is such a roll of the dice.

If he ends up being what you think he can be, you have a lead guard in his prime making what would ultimately end up being reasonable money for his production.

But he’s also literally never started before and it’s a complete gamble if he could adjust to a 35 minute per game role as a starting point guard.

And if he can’t start, you’re paying 25 million a year for a slightly better version of last year’s Cole Anthony. Not good!

Big risk with big reward.

[three3d]

Rim protection and better interior spacing for Paolo. Right now it’s like Paolo crashing into a wall of bodies with Carter chilling on the perimeter on offense. Yeah, he’s a good outlet out there, but ideally your other 3 players are keeping defenses honest instead. Mark Williams at Duke was feasting underneath as an outlet with Paolo.

The last two games WCJ has been instrumental in our turn around putting a body on Allen and Mobley. Listen to players and coach after game press conferences. Also, WCJ switched out on Mitchell a couple of times and didn’t give him wide open shots.

We are so fixated on blocking shots. Our defense is great, lol!

Mark Williams in no way is better than WCJ at spacing. WCJ hit two back breaking 3s last game.

Mark Williams isn’t on the court enough to matter.

Yeah I already explained the advantage covering Paolo's weaknesses and highlighting his strengths. You can ignore that if you want, but Im not forgoing a better fit because Carter hit some shots in a game. Carter also only played 40 games his first two seasons in the league also. So theres that.

Just checking out some of Williams stat lines and eyes popped wide open at a game he played only 30 minutes and grabbed 24 rebounds and dropped 21 points. Could be something there, nice pick.

[byeganyo]

My question for them; is it worth moving up the championship window when Edwards is still so young and very unlikely to lead them to a chip?

What's the point of contending if you aren't really a viable contender? By the time Edwards is ready to lead them Gobert is going to be out of his prime.

This is a very weird take - Minnesota just won their FIRST play off series in 20 years and 4-0 mind you... but there was no point in it in your opinion?
What are they supposed to do - wait another 20 years for a better allignment of the stars?
They are contending now and are doing it by trading for the right players...

Going all in now and coming up short opens the door to the same issues that drove KG out of Minnesota. Is their current build sustainable and what will they do roster wise to contend during Edwards prime?

Not getting to the playoffs 3 seasons in a row is probably what got KG out of Minni.
When you have stars, you cant sit on your hands or the stars will want to leave anyway. Plenty of teams come short of winning a title.. we've been coming short for more than 30 years. And havent won series in more than 10 years. Beggars cant be chosers.

[byeganyo]

LOL, i checked and these are actually the 3rd series wolves have ever won. 35 seasons, 3 serires won.

[MagicMatic]

Mark Williams missing most of a season with a mysterious back injury at such a young age is very concerning to me.

I don’t like messing with back injuries for big guys.

Maybe they were just holding him out for tanking purposes, but his remarks at the end of the season didn’t make it seem like that was the case.

I'm glad you used the word mysterious because I have a conspiracy theory about Mark Williams this past season.

As soon as Lonzo went down 11/26 Williams gets a very mysterious back injury 12/08. My conspiracy is that they just shut him down after 4 double digit losses knowing they weren't doing much for the rest of the season without Ball.

Nick RIchards filling in the for the rest of the season wasn't a huge dropoff for them as a starter. Carter gives them more versatility and isnt as duplicative IMO as a skillset.

[eyriq]

Sacramento is starting to worry that Orlando will sign Monk.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1xluF61MDfpcIGXWVOC7Jg?si=TuxBAKRNSfubWcsGJmhH5Q

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He's a really obvious fit

Monk is such a roll of the dice.

If he ends up being what you think he can be, you have a lead guard in his prime making what would ultimately end up being reasonable money for his production.

But he’s also literally never started before and it’s a complete gamble if he could adjust to a 35 minute per game role as a starting point guard.

And if he can’t start, you’re paying 25 million a year for a slightly better version of last year’s Cole Anthony. Not good!

Big risk with big reward.

He's a proven 6th Man, at worst he's an upgrade over Cole. Also, if anything is by committee it's our 3rd option, to which he'll contribute. Currently the committee is Suggs, Cole, Fultz, WCJ, or Moritz. His max scoring output is higher and his variance is lower than any of them (guessing here).

I didn't think he would necessarily start though. I think it's important for Suggs to get first dibs on being the 3rd option on any given night and for AB to start.

[RichCollab]

Going all in now and coming up short opens the door to the same issues that drove KG out of Minnesota. Is their current build sustainable and what will they do roster wise to contend during Edwards prime?

Ant seems ready to me. Gobert and Towns are ready.

Ready to get beat in the second round.

It’s a process. They made it to the second round. 1st playoff series win for Ant.

I feel like Timberwolves have a chance next round.

[RichCollab]

Sacramento is starting to worry that Orlando will sign Monk.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1xluF61MDfpcIGXWVOC7Jg?si=TuxBAKRNSfubWcsGJmhH5Q

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He's a really obvious fit

Monk is such a roll of the dice.

If he ends up being what you think he can be, you have a lead guard in his prime making what would ultimately end up being reasonable money for his production.

But he’s also literally never started before and it’s a complete gamble if he could adjust to a 35 minute per game role as a starting point guard.

And if he can’t start, you’re paying 25 million a year for a slightly better version of last year’s Cole Anthony. Not good!

Big risk with big reward.

I don’t think it’s a big risk. At worst he leads our second unit, but I do think he sticks. He doesn’t start because him and Fox overlap to much.