Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 4.0

[KillMonger]

If we go after monk i'd rather him run point than suggs

[Skybox]

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WePark's off-season:
Waive Bol
Draft Black
Draft Howard
sold-traded SRP
Signed Ingles
Signed Queen TW
Resigned Anthony
Resigned Schofield TW
Resigned M-Wagner

An no mid-season moves.

Are we fans to believe that that was the 6th best management actions this year? What a joke. Maybe the votes are because of the Kia deal and the new money that brings ownership. ???? But that's plus-signs for Alex Martins, right?

A Magician did win the dunk contest. Is that anything?

Not saying he did a good job this offseason, but the Magic were among the most improved teams in the league in terms of record. Probably got a few votes just for that.

I figure it’s based largely on the financial position he put ORL in for summer flexibility. Simply a much improved team with tremendous opportunity for another leap this summer. Very few good teams are looking at the summer the same way. OKC is also an amazing job because they’re really contenders AND young AND have a cache of picks to go get whoever they want when opportunity presents.

Not sure you can give too much praise for two lottery picks that can’t earn a second of non-garbage time tho.

But, if they sit on their hands, they should be last on the list next year.

[drsd]

If we go after monk i'd rather him run point than suggs

Playing two combo guards when the primary ball handlers will be the forwards, call Monk and Suggs whatever you want.

[drsd]

Jett is a SG and will be a good one

I'm not trying to be a Debbie Downer, but there is no evidence that either of those statements will be true.

Howard has not proven he can guard NBA SGs. Until he does, he is a taller Mac McClung. Of course I hope you are correct, but there simply is no evidence. He might very well be a backup SF for defensive reasons. I still don't see any prospect of him ever being a starter though.

Harris as a 3 SG is a safety net, always good to have a vet like him if you have injuries

Orlando will sign a LLE SG. If G-Harris is up for that role, sure. But some (stupid) team will probably offer him 10M. Orlando should not match that.

As for Cole trade I was thinking for a pf/c that would expire sooner that Cole s contract.

If the Magic drafts Carter, this makes a lot of sense. If the Magic draft Edey/Salaun/Ware/Missi/Filipowski/da Silva, then it makes more sense for Orlando to trade Anthony for a future pick. Say to OKC for one of their 10000 FRPs of the future.

[RichCollab]

WePark's off-season:
Waive Bol
Draft Black
Draft Howard
sold-traded SRP
Signed Ingles
Signed Queen TW
Resigned Anthony
Resigned Schofield TW
Resigned M-Wagner

An no mid-season moves.

Are we fans to believe that that was the 6th best management actions this year? What a joke. Maybe the votes are because of the Kia deal and the new money that brings ownership. ???? But that's plus-signs for Alex Martins, right?

A Magician did win the dunk contest. Is that anything?

Not saying he did a good job this offseason, but the Magic were among the most improved teams in the league in terms of record. Probably got a few votes just for that.

I figure it’s based largely on the financial position he put ORL in for summer flexibility. Simply a much improved team with tremendous opportunity for another leap this summer. Very few good teams aren’t looking at the summer the same way. OKC is also an amazing job because they’re really contenders AND young AND have a cache of picks to go get whoever they want when opportunity presents.

Not sure you can give too much praise for two lottery picks that can’t earn a second of non-garbage time tho.

But, if they sit on their hands, they should be last on the list next year.

Black started 33 games.

[cedric76]

Jett is a SG and will be a good one

I'm not trying to be a Debbie Downer, but there is no evidence that either of those statements will be true.

Howard has not proven he can guard NBA SGs. Until he does, he is a taller Mac McClung. Of course I hope you are correct, but there simply is no evidence. He might very well be a backup SF for defensive reasons. I still don't see any prospect of him ever being a starter though.

Harris as a 3 SG is a safety net, always good to have a vet like him if you have injuries

Orlando will sign a LLE SG. If G-Harris is up for that role, sure. But some (stupid) team will probably offer him 10M. Orlando should not match that.

As for Cole trade I was thinking for a pf/c that would expire sooner that Cole s contract.

If the Magic drafts Carter, this makes a lot of sense. If the Magic draft Edey/Salaun/Ware/Missi/Filipowski/da Silva, then it makes more sense for Orlando to trade Anthony for a future pick. Say to OKC for one of their 10000 FRPs of the future.

Counter point:-)

Howard has not proven he can't guard NBA SGs.

[drsd]

Howard has not proven he can't guard NBA SGs.

We want Mac McClung!


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[JoshuaPotter]

Howard has not proven he can't guard NBA SGs.

We want Mac McClung!


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If what I saw from Cole yesterday was any indicator. Yes, yes we do.

[eyriq]

For arguments sake let's say Franz and Paolo are clear top two options on offense.

Third option, how do we get them?

Player acquisition?
Or internal development of one of Suggs, AB, or Jett Howard?

[drsd]

For arguments sake let's say Franz and Paolo are clear top two options on offense.

Third option, how do we get them?

Player acquisition?
Or internal development of one of Suggs, AB, or Jett Howard?

I think a FA signing is more likely than a trade or "internal development".

[cedric76]

Howard has not proven he can't guard NBA SGs.

We want Mac McClung!


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Why want Mac McClung when we have the next Booker

https://www.reddit.com/r/OrlandoMagic/comments/14lkdq9/jett_howard_devin_booker_comparison_via_datguycamo/

[cedric76]

PG here we come

Paul George Rumors: 76ers, Magic Eye Star; Clippers Don't Want to Give Max Contract

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10119371-paul-george-rumors-76ers-magic-eye-star-clippers-dont-want-to-give-max-contract

[yoyojw17]

For arguments sake let's say Franz and Paolo are clear top two options on offense.

Third option, how do we get them?

Player acquisition?
Or internal development of one of Suggs, AB, or Jett Howard?

I think a FA signing is more likely than a trade or "internal development".

Depends on what they see of Suggs, black, and Howard. If they believe in their potential and the strides to move forward.... And they already know that they fit the culture.... I would believe also that they won't put an expensive roadblock in front of them unless it's undeniable that that individual will help. I wouldn't be surprised if next season black is the official starter after a strong summer of development and training.

I know we have money.... But we are still going to have to re-up on some pricey contracts to keep this core together. Suggs, Franz, and Paolo are all going to get massive pay check bumps in the near future. JI will be on the docket in another year as well.... If he has a healthy and productive season.... He will also get paid.

Won't be surprised if we go for a Hartenstein.... And if not possibly re-up on Goga.

And that's why I think draft picks are so important .... Proper drafting allows for lower salary assessments and cultural molding. I don't see us trading away our picks either.... Players will be brought in and as our youth becomes leaders.... They will replace the Kevin Harris, queens, okeke (still like him), and so on on this team.

[tiderulz]

PG here we come

Paul George Rumors: 76ers, Magic Eye Star; Clippers Don't Want to Give Max Contract

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10119371-paul-george-rumors-76ers-magic-eye-star-clippers-dont-want-to-give-max-contract

basis is wrong though. We dont have as pressing a need for a wing as much as a legit PG. we are just going to be mentioned with any big name free agent because of our cap space this summer. I cant see Orlando going after 34 yr old Paul George on a max or near max deal, which you know he will be looking for.

[tiderulz]

For arguments sake let's say Franz and Paolo are clear top two options on offense.

Third option, how do we get them?

Player acquisition?
Or internal development of one of Suggs, AB, or Jett Howard?

I think a FA signing is more likely than a trade or "internal development".

Depends on what they see of Suggs, black, and Howard. If they believe in their potential and the strides to move forward.... And they already know that they fit the culture.... I would believe also that they won't put an expensive roadblock in front of them unless it's undeniable that that individual will help. I wouldn't be surprised if next season black is the official starter after a strong summer of development and training.

I know we have money.... But we are still going to have to re-up on some pricey contracts to keep this core together. Suggs, Franz, and Paolo are all going to get massive pay check bumps in the near future. JI will be on the docket in another year as well.... If he has a healthy and productive season.... He will also get paid.

Won't be surprised if we go for a Hartenstein.... And if not possibly re-up on Goga.

And that's why I think draft picks are so important .... Proper drafting allows for lower salary assessments and cultural molding. I don't see us trading away our picks either.... Players will be brought in and as our youth becomes leaders.... They will replace the Kevin Harris, queens, okeke (still like him), and so on on this team.

Goga isnt staying here unless WCJ or Moe Wagner are moved. He isnt staying to be the 3rd center.

[Skybox]

I think a FA signing is more likely than a trade or "internal development".

Depends on what they see of Suggs, black, and Howard. If they believe in their potential and the strides to move forward.... And they already know that they fit the culture.... I would believe also that they won't put an expensive roadblock in front of them unless it's undeniable that that individual will help. I wouldn't be surprised if next season black is the official starter after a strong summer of development and training.

I know we have money.... But we are still going to have to re-up on some pricey contracts to keep this core together. Suggs, Franz, and Paolo are all going to get massive pay check bumps in the near future. JI will be on the docket in another year as well.... If he has a healthy and productive season.... He will also get paid.

Won't be surprised if we go for a Hartenstein.... And if not possibly re-up on Goga.

And that's why I think draft picks are so important .... Proper drafting allows for lower salary assessments and cultural molding. I don't see us trading away our picks either.... Players will be brought in and as our youth becomes leaders.... They will replace the Kevin Harris, queens, okeke (still like him), and so on on this team.

Goga isnt staying here unless WCJ or Moe Wagner are moved. He isnt staying to be the 3rd center.

It'd have to be a vet minimum...which would be very sad for him, but not completely inconceivable. I think someone gives him a shot, but you never know.

[Knightro]

For arguments sake let's say Franz and Paolo are clear top two options on offense.

Third option, how do we get them?

Player acquisition?
Or internal development of one of Suggs, AB, or Jett Howard?

Player acquisition.

Suggs, Black and Howard are not going to be third options offensively at any point IMO.

Doesn't mean they can't be incredibly valuable players (Suggs already is), but I'm just not seeing "third option offensively" as an outcome for any of them.

[Skybox]

Howard has not proven he can't guard NBA SGs.

We want Mac McClung!


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Why want Mac McClung when we have the next Booker

https://www.reddit.com/r/OrlandoMagic/comments/14lkdq9/jett_howard_devin_booker_comparison_via_datguycamo/

Your posts probably make me sound like the biggest hater of our guys...but they should really all be in green font

[Knightro]

PG here we come

Paul George Rumors: 76ers, Magic Eye Star; Clippers Don't Want to Give Max Contract

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10119371-paul-george-rumors-76ers-magic-eye-star-clippers-dont-want-to-give-max-contract

basis is wrong though. We dont have as pressing a need for a wing as much as a legit PG. we are just going to be mentioned with any big name free agent because of our cap space this summer. I cant see Orlando going after 34 yr old Paul George on a max or near max deal, which you know he will be looking for.

I agree that point guard is a bigger need than shooting guard, but when you have the opportunity to add a top 20 NBA player and not give up any assets, I think you still have to do it.

[Knightro]

Paul George This Season
7th in Estimated Wins (EW)
8th in Estimated Plus Minus (EPM)
19th in Luck-adjusted player Estimate using a Box prior Regularized ON-off (LEBRON)
27th in Value Over Replacement Player (VORP)
31st in Win Shares (WS)
33rd in Box Plus Minus (BPM)

He played 74 of 82 games. He's still really good!

The obvious concern...

He's 34 years old and wants a full maximum contract which would be 4 years, 212M.

The questions to ask... how well do you think he will age? and are you comfortable paying him 50M+ in his age 36 and 37 seasons?

Otherwise, adding a player of his caliber with just cap space and retaining all of your assets for future trades... I dunno man, I'd probably have to do it.