Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 4.0

MasterGMer · Post #1701 » by **MasterGMer** » Mon May 6, 2024 2:48 pm

I know I know Paul George's Free Agency hasn't started yet. And he is most likely to stay in LA. But I just want him to know coming to Orlando might not be a bad choice considering how young our core is and how much help we needed from the perimeter as a primary scorer.

Also I think, maybe a wild card or unpopular opinion here, James Harden would fit in this team very very well.

Plus they are FREE to upgrade to our core. We have to improve from our cap space this summer. Whether Tyus Jones will help or not. But we definitely have options

Don't forget, we can trade also

Skybox · Post #1702 » by **Skybox** » Mon May 6, 2024 2:51 pm

bigdogdylan5 wrote:
Skybox wrote:
bigdogdylan5 wrote:Ok that is all well and good to say but that is not practical. Teams give rookie extensions for projection all the damn time. Hell the pistons extension for Cade is going to shock the hell out of people and be in Franz favor. If Franz was a free agent this summer I can see several teams needing a starting wing giving him a max offer sheet. That doesn’t mean we just pay him a max I think there is some room to negotiate as he wants to be here and get security. But saying we should not pay salary for a young guy as projection then you will lose him because many teams will. If your saying we should wait and forcehim to go to restricted FA that might have to be an option but it’s a break glass in case of emergency option. Something just tells me Franz will be reasonable.

Oh yeah, he'll get a load of money...I'm only contending that it won't be a max. IF it gets to RFA next summer, that would indicate Franz is betting on himself to earn a max - which we would pay to retain him...but I think he signs quickly and for a lot THIS summer...just not a max. There's zero reasons to give a max extension a year ahead of RFA, the whole point is to lock them up for a win-win deal, in exchange for long-term certainty (for the player). The exception is the no-brainer superstars - which I think Paolo is.

What is the max number you are ok with?

I'm not really sure how the cap will shake out...I'm not sure if the numbers are based on this summer's cap or next summer's (when it actually kicks in)...I'm sure he gets $30m, but hopefully, not much more. A max is 25% of the cap...which is a LOT when you have to assume Paolo is getting it a year later and Suggs will also be rewarded for his ascendance as a shooter and elite defender. Isaac has also gone from "possible forced retirement waived" to "needs a raise next summer"...so, there's a lot to consider. ORL might consider selling high on Isaac while he's ambulatory, given their upcoming financial constraints. As impactful as JI is, maybe a significant guard acquisition makes more sense for balancing the roster better...IF ATL insisted on Isaac for Murray - I'd do it (as long as ORL isn't adding too many picks).

basketballRob · Post #1703 » by **basketballRob** » Mon May 6, 2024 3:25 pm

bigdogdylan5 wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
bigdogdylan5 wrote:Ok yes but not practically Franz and Suggs will most likely get extensions eating into most of that.

They need to spend the cap space this summer. As wisely as possible but you need those salary room up past the cap as salary spots for trade.
That includes Franz, Suggs, and Isaac. We could offer a player like Derozan a 1 yr $32m deal.

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That includes their cap holds and renouncing everyone else holds?

I am confused where the 60 million comes from
Total committed salary: 55 million
Cap holds of Isaac Franz and Suggs: about 80 million

With a normal increase the cap should be at a little under 150.

I think they would sign Isaac at around $14m, and Suggs at $20m. Franz' cap hold is $21m.

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BCS · Post #1704 » by **BCS** » Mon May 6, 2024 4:11 pm

basketballRob wrote:
bigdogdylan5 wrote:
basketballRob wrote:That includes Franz, Suggs, and Isaac. We could offer a player like Derozan a 1 yr $32m deal.

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That includes their cap holds and renouncing everyone else holds?

I am confused where the 60 million comes from
Total committed salary: 55 million
Cap holds of Isaac Franz and Suggs: about 80 million

With a normal increase the cap should be at a little under 150.
I think they would sign Isaac at around $14m, and Suggs at $20m. Franz' cap hold is $21m.

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This is actually very interesting to know and might just lead us (as much as people are going to criticize and complain) to pretty much run it back. Only one year deals again and try to land a bigger FA next year like Donovan, maybe, if we have max player cap space.

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Post #1705 » by **eyriq** » Mon May 6, 2024 4:22 pm

Paolo, Franz, and Suggs led us to 47 regular season wins and 3 postseason wins.

Worth building around.

bigdogdylan5 · Post #1706 » by **bigdogdylan5** » Mon May 6, 2024 4:24 pm

basketballRob wrote:
bigdogdylan5 wrote:
basketballRob wrote:That includes Franz, Suggs, and Isaac. We could offer a player like Derozan a 1 yr $32m deal.

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That includes their cap holds and renouncing everyone else holds?

I am confused where the 60 million comes from
Total committed salary: 55 million
Cap holds of Isaac Franz and Suggs: about 80 million

With a normal increase the cap should be at a little under 150.
I think they would sign Isaac at around $14m, and Suggs at $20m. Franz' cap hold is $21m.

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That math still doesn’t work. That would bring us around 110 in salary and cap holds renouncing everyone not named Franz. Would get us about 40 million in cap so not enough for a full max. That is best case for Suggs and Isaac you laid out. Looks like we would have to hold any extension for Franz and renounce Isaac and everyone to get a full max for 2025.

Post #1707 » by **Knightro** » Mon May 6, 2024 4:31 pm

basketballRob wrote:The Magic could have almost $60m in cap space in 2025.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/orlando-magic/cap/_/year/2025/sort/cap_total

If they sign or trade for absolutely no one of consequence (good players aren't taking 1 year deals) and don't extend Franz, and extend Isaac for a number less than his massive cap hold or renounce him. Then sure.

But that's not realistic. They're trying to win basketball games next year.

Post #1708 » by **eyriq** » Mon May 6, 2024 4:44 pm

What do we think the vision is for next season? Sustain the top 6 finish and compete in the first round? More ambitious?

BCS · Post #1709 » by **BCS** » Mon May 6, 2024 4:48 pm

Knightro wrote:
basketballRob wrote:The Magic could have almost $60m in cap space in 2025.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/orlando-magic/cap/_/year/2025/sort/cap_total

If they sign or trade for absolutely no one of consequence (good players aren't taking 1 year deals) and don't extend Franz, and extend Isaac for a number less than his massive cap hold or renounce him. Then sure.

But that's not realistic. They're trying to win basketball games next year.

Might not be that realistic but it is possible, I doubt that is what would happen.

Now even though as you say good players do not take one year deals which I agree that to be the case, but on a severe overpay and knowing more teams will have cap space next year it is possible for a player to lean that way. For example, take Monk, rumor of 4/90 deal. You offer him a one year at his max which idk how much that would be but if it is anywhere around $40m you have to seriously consider it and maybe bet on yourself breaking out even more for a larger contract (risk vs reward). Klay is likely to not get a max offer for multiple years, but for one year, sure. So it is possible.

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yoyojw17 · Post #1710 » by **yoyojw17** » Mon May 6, 2024 4:49 pm

eyriq wrote:Paolo, Franz, and Suggs led us to 47 regular season wins and 3 postseason wins.

Worth building around.

Annnnnnnnd still 22ish And unseasoned. Definitely worth being our core.

Post #1711 » by **Knightro** » Mon May 6, 2024 4:56 pm

eyriq wrote:What do we think the vision is for next season? Sustain the top 6 finish and compete in the first round? More ambitious?

The goal regardless of what personnel moves they do or do not make should be to progress further than they did this year.

Win a first round playoff series and then see what happens.

Post #1712 » by **eyriq** » Mon May 6, 2024 4:58 pm

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MartinsIzAfraud · Post #1713 » by **MartinsIzAfraud** » Mon May 6, 2024 5:05 pm

eyriq wrote:

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0 chance Goga stays to get DNP's
I'd move Cole & WCJ in Outgoing in trade column

If this FO drafts Edey lol

Post #1714 » by **eyriq** » Mon May 6, 2024 5:12 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
eyriq wrote:

Read on Twitter
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0 chance Goga stays to get DNP's
I'd move Cole & WCJ in Outgoing in trade column

If this FO drafts Edey lol

I was sharing for the functionality, less his opinions

basketballRob · Post #1715 » by **basketballRob** » Mon May 6, 2024 5:23 pm

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Post #1716 » by **Knightro** » Mon May 6, 2024 5:38 pm

basketballRob wrote:

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Absolutely no reason for him to accept less than a max offer before getting to free agency.

He'll have multiple teams willing to give him the max. The question really is, will one of those teams be willing to go 4 full years on a 34 year old?

basketballRob · Post #1717 » by **basketballRob** » Mon May 6, 2024 5:40 pm

Knightro wrote:
basketballRob wrote:

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Absolutely no reason for him to accept less than a max offer before getting to free agency.

He'll have multiple teams willing to give him the max. The question really is, will one of those teams be willing to go 4 full years on a 34 year old?

I'd probably go 3.

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PrimeThyme · Post #1718 » by **PrimeThyme** » Mon May 6, 2024 5:42 pm

If PG wants to sign a 3-year max with a Team option Year 3, I say welcome to Orlando.

sebaloz · Post #1719 » by **sebaloz** » Mon May 6, 2024 5:43 pm

bigdogdylan5 wrote:That math still doesn’t work. That would bring us around 110 in salary and cap holds renouncing everyone not named Franz. Would get us about 40 million in cap so not enough for a full max. That is best case for Suggs and Isaac you laid out. Looks like we would have to hold any extension for Franz and renounce Isaac and everyone to get a full max for 2025.

Suggs' cap hold is $27m. Suggs+Wagner=$48m. We can sing free agent to a contract with a max first-year salary $54,288,500 (0.35 * $155,1m).

basketballRob · Post #1720 » by **basketballRob** » Mon May 6, 2024 5:47 pm

sebaloz wrote:
bigdogdylan5 wrote:That math still doesn’t work. That would bring us around 110 in salary and cap holds renouncing everyone not named Franz. Would get us about 40 million in cap so not enough for a full max. That is best case for Suggs and Isaac you laid out. Looks like we would have to hold any extension for Franz and renounce Isaac and everyone to get a full max for 2025.

Suggs' cap hold is $27m. Suggs+Wagner=$48m. We can sing free agent to a contract with a max first-year salary $54,288,500 (0.35 * $155,1m).

If you signed Suggs to a $20m per year contract, then $20m + Franz $21m cap hold is $41m.

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