Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 4.0

[Knightro]

Why would you do a major shake up? The guys playing for each other has been key to success and development.

Why risk impacting our momentum? We haven’t hit a wall yet.

I am just thinking about it realistically.

The only momentum that matters is Paolo, Franz and Suggs' respective developments and none of them are going anywhere.

Everyone else, even guys like Isaac and Moritz who I don't want to lose, is ultimately fungible.

[RichCollab]

Why would you do a major shake up? The guys playing for each other has been key to success and development.

Why risk impacting our momentum? We haven’t hit a wall yet.

I am just thinking about it realistically.

The only momentum that matters is Paolo, Franz and Suggs' respective developments and none of them are going anywhere.

Everyone else, even guys like Isaac and Moritz who I don't want to lose, is ultimately fungible.

JI and Moe is a great combo off the bench. JI should be able to play more minutes next year and his offense is starting to catch up.

I see Black and Jett developing and growing could also be ways we grow to a better team.

[three3d]

OKC and Orlando are perfect trade partners. Two of the youngest teams in the NBA and on opposite ends of the spectrum. The Thunder being the #1 seed in the tough Western conference are in the window of opportunity, and I feel we are still 4-5 years away.

We are loaded with future draft picks and OKC values draft picks and they really do a great job with them. What would we lose and gain in a Giddey - Anthony Black swap? Now throw Jonathan Issac into a deal with them + draft picks and what else could we get in return from OKC? The Thunder are getting arguably one of the best defensive players to immediately help them + AB who for a rookie definitely showed defensive capability BUT needs development.

In two seasons could AB possibly be an offensive threat, could he be our own version of Giddey as the connector piece he was drafted to be? The timeline and available assets just make to much sense between these two clubs. Comes down to what 2/3 players could we get from OKC to help us when we enter the window of opportunity .

[eyriq]

OKC and Orlando are perfect trade partners. Two of the youngest teams in the NBA and on opposite ends of the spectrum. The Thunder being the #1 seed in the tough Western conference are in the window of opportunity, and I feel we are still 4-5 years away.

We are loaded with future draft picks and OKC values draft picks and they really do a great job with them. What would we lose and gain in a Giddey - Anthony Black swap? Now throw Jonathan Issac into a deal with them + draft picks and what else could we get in return from OKC? The Thunder are getting arguably one of the best defensive players to immediately help them + AB who for a rookie definitely showed defensive capability BUT needs development.

In two seasons could AB possibly be an offensive threat, could he be our own version of Giddey as the connector piece he was drafted to be? The timeline and available assets just make to much sense between these two clubs. Comes down to what 2/3 players could we get from OKC to help us when we enter the window of opportunity .

AB clears Giddey.

[RichCollab]

OKC and Orlando are perfect trade partners. Two of the youngest teams in the NBA and on opposite ends of the spectrum. The Thunder being the #1 seed in the tough Western conference are in the window of opportunity, and I feel we are still 4-5 years away.

We are loaded with future draft picks and OKC values draft picks and they really do a great job with them. What would we lose and gain in a Giddey - Anthony Black swap? Now throw Jonathan Issac into a deal with them + draft picks and what else could we get in return from OKC? The Thunder are getting arguably one of the best defensive players to immediately help them + AB who for a rookie definitely showed defensive capability BUT needs development.

In two seasons could AB possibly be an offensive threat, could he be our own version of Giddey as the connector piece he was drafted to be? The timeline and available assets just make to much sense between these two clubs. Comes down to what 2/3 players could we get from OKC to help us when we enter the window of opportunity .

AB clears Giddey.

Even though Giddey never had charges brought against him he likely still has the under age girl stigma attached to him. I highly doubt Disney or our ownership wants any part of that. I bet Giddey doesn’t want that story to pop back up.

[Edrock]

How desperate are the Suns? Are they Kelle, Harris and a coupla FRPs for Booker desparate?

[p0peye]

I'm firmly in the trade JI camp. Camp of 1?

No… dude played great last night. Why would you trade him?

He's injury prone and too good to be a bench player, might be able to flip him into a starter that fits.

I can see this as being a very difficult question to answer for front office. He might continue as high impact role player in his low minutes role playing 60 games a year, maybe you can squeeze few more minutes from him, but he just as easily could be medically retired two months into the season.

In my book, it is salary he demands that should utimately define the route we are to take, we should not risk going into another, albeit less than max deal, Grant Hill situation bringing down the team ceiling. If he takes something like 3/40, you have to resign him.

[Knightro]

How I see it...

Core Players: Banchero, F. Wagner, Suggs

Players I'd prefer to keep, but would still include in the perfect deal: Black, Howard, Isaac, M. Wagner

Players I wouldn't be upset if they stay or go: Carter, Anthony, Houstan, Bitadze

Players I actively hope are not here next year: Fultz, Harris, Ingles, Okeke

[three3d]

OKC and Orlando are perfect trade partners. Two of the youngest teams in the NBA and on opposite ends of the spectrum. The Thunder being the #1 seed in the tough Western conference are in the window of opportunity, and I feel we are still 4-5 years away.

We are loaded with future draft picks and OKC values draft picks and they really do a great job with them. What would we lose and gain in a Giddey - Anthony Black swap? Now throw Jonathan Issac into a deal with them + draft picks and what else could we get in return from OKC? The Thunder are getting arguably one of the best defensive players to immediately help them + AB who for a rookie definitely showed defensive capability BUT needs development.

In two seasons could AB possibly be an offensive threat, could he be our own version of Giddey as the connector piece he was drafted to be? The timeline and available assets just make to much sense between these two clubs. Comes down to what 2/3 players could we get from OKC to help us when we enter the window of opportunity .

AB clears Giddey.

As of right now I don’t see how AB clears Giddey because we simply haven’t seen him used enough. Ultimately I’m going to want to see AB utilized in some pick and roll action with the ability to dish out some assists or be a threat to drive to the basket. Maybe that will come in the future and maybe he will not ever be able to do that. Going back to college AB was never a high assist guy though. Giddey can mess around and get you a triple double still playing behind SGA.

Then you factor in guys like Jalen Williams 23 years old 19ppg and 42% 3 point field goal percentage, Isaiah Joe 24 years old 8ppg on 41% 3pt fg% on the bench, or Cason Wallace 20 years old 6.8 ppg and almost 42% 3pt fg%. They have a lot of young assets besides Giddey we could definitely use here. Could you imagine the Thunder rolling out with Chet AND Isaac? There are a lot of swappable pieces between these two teams that help both sides.

[three3d]

No… dude played great last night. Why would you trade him?

He's injury prone and too good to be a bench player, might be able to flip him into a starter that fits.

I can see this as being a very difficult question to answer for front office. He might continue as high impact role player in his low minutes role playing 60 games a year, maybe you can squeeze few more minutes from him, but he just as easily could be medically retired two months into the season.

In my book, it is salary he demands that should utimately define the route we are to take, we should not risk going into another, albeit less than max deal, Grant Hill situation bringing down the team ceiling. If he takes something like 3/40, you have to resign him.

Isaac is great right now for a seriously contending team, but he just doesn’t fit the trajectory time line we are on. And that’s where it comes down to assets and waiting to long to move them. JI has done everything right this season and managed to stay healthy and shows serious possibility of up side. But what happens next season if there is another injury? This season couldn’t have gone any better for him or for us and for that reason I’m in the explore trade possibility camp.

[three3d]

How I see it...

Core Players: Banchero, F. Wagner, Suggs

Players I'd prefer to keep, but would still include in the perfect deal: Black, Howard, Isaac, M. Wagner

Players I wouldn't be upset if they stay or go: Carter, Anthony, Houstan, Bitadze

Players I actively hope are not here next year: Fultz, Harris, Ingles, Okeke

If I was front office I’d be doing Isaac a solid and thanking him for what he has done for us and how hard he worked to get back and let him know we are sending you to a contender like the OKC Thunder. They are a respected organization and the front office does a great job as well as being the #1 seed in the West. Also they are LOADED with young talent that fits what we need.

[Residual-Heat]

Giddey is a horrible fit for this team. Why are we bringing in another forward? One that cant shoot or defend?

You want a play maker get a PG that can shoot and defend his position.

[three3d]

Giddey is a horrible fit for this team. Why are we bringing in another forward? One that cant shoot or defend?

You want a play maker get a PG that can shoot and defend his position.

Giddey is listed as a SG but was drafted as a PG i believe and he’s playing alongside SGA who is point guard in the running for league MVP. We absolutely couldn’t have AB and Giddey so it comes down to who would offer more of what this team needs. Triple Doubles aren’t a stat that means that much anymore but it shows a capability of being able to do many things on the court that help win. I’m not seeing AB being able to do that here for us unless things drastically change. AB comes with defensive upside but he was drafted as a connector piece.

[three3d]

Giddey is a horrible fit for this team. Why are we bringing in another forward? One that cant shoot or defend?

You want a play maker get a PG that can shoot and defend his position.

Another point is OKC is absolutely loaded with skill and youth along with assets like draft picks. Maybe the piece isn’t Giddey but they have plenty of other players that would help us. Just picture JI and Chet together or interchangeable. I’d like to establish a good relationship with a club that drafts as well as OKC also going towards the future. Nothing wrong with building a relationship that could help us in the future.

[Knightro]

Trading Isaac is incredibly difficult. His injury history is so expansive that it's impossible to get fair value in return.

He's more valuable to the Magic even playing 15-20 MPG than what they'd get back for him.

I think it's a near certainty he's back next season.

[Residual-Heat]

Giddey is a horrible fit for this team. Why are we bringing in another forward? One that cant shoot or defend?

You want a play maker get a PG that can shoot and defend his position.

Giddey is listed as a SG but was drafted as a PG i believe and he’s playing alongside SGA who is point guard in the running for league MVP. We absolutely couldn’t have AB and Giddey so it comes down to who would offer more of what this team needs. Triple Doubles aren’t a stat that means that much anymore but it shows a capability of being able to do many things on the court that help win. I’m not seeing AB being able to do that here for us unless things drastically change. AB comes with defensive upside but he was drafted as a connector piece.

I cant call him a PG if he cant defend the PG position. A guy like Lebron handles the ball a ton, who has ever considered him a PG?

We need someone that can defend guards, space the floor, and turns the ball over at a low rate. Giddey doesnt do any of that. Giddey isnt what we need, and maybe its not Black either.

[three3d]

Im personally tired of helping the Lakers or the Rockets and don’t see us being able to make a deal with anyone in our division or conference that helps us. So why not work with a team like the Thunder that has proven they know what they are doing? Their Front office drafts very well and trades and wins. Two teams in two different divisions that can help and not step on each others toes unless it came to the NBA Finals.

[CocoaFan]

What's the most you would pay for Malik Monk in free agency?

The most he can get from Sacramento is 4/78.

Worst case I might go as high as 4/$100M because of a lack of better options, but would hope to get him at closer to 4/$90M. Orlando has to be an attractive option with our up and coming team, no state income tax and a chance to start. I think 4/$90 might do it. I think Monk is probably the best option for us now seeing as we don't give up any assets. Seems like a Weltman thing to do. Run it back with 1 new rotation guy. If Monk doesn't make it as our starter he still has good value coming off the bench.

[wco81]

What has the team said about extending Issac?

I guess they could in the fall or he will be a UFA next summer?

Seems like he's had moments in the regular season but only averaged 15 MPG.

In the playoffs he's having great stretches but only averaging 21-22 MPG.

With injuries he hasn't developed an offensive game but his defensive impact is unmistakeable. I recall some people questioning the second contract that the Magic gave him but they absolutely believed in the potential.

The crazy thing is that Spotrac has hi potentially getting 21.4% of the cap or $33.2 million next year.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/orlando-magic/yearly

Is that based on the fact that he was the #6 pick, the size of his second contract? Certainly can't be based on production.

OTOH, Magic have a ton of cap space right? But they're going to have to pay Franz, Paolo, Suggs in a couple of years and they need more shooting.

Well how the playoffs unroll will be interesting. If the Magic win this first-round series, compete well against the Celtics, they should be more inclined to bring Issac back.

Still, I could see him being paid like Aaron Gordon or what OG is getting now, around $20-25 million a year, just mainly as a defensive specialist who can spot up for 3s.

If the Magic don't pay him, some team needing a 4 will.

[Residual-Heat]

Giddey is a horrible fit for this team. Why are we bringing in another forward? One that cant shoot or defend?

You want a play maker get a PG that can shoot and defend his position.

Another point is OKC is absolutely loaded with skill and youth along with assets like draft picks. Maybe the piece isn’t Giddey but they have plenty of other players that would help us. Just picture JI and Chet together or interchangeable. I’d like to establish a good relationship with a club that drafts as well as OKC also going towards the future. Nothing wrong with building a relationship that could help us in the future.

No offense, but i couldnt care less about any of that. I am picturing JI on the Magic, helping us win games in the play offs as he is currently doing.