2023-2024 Regular Season Game 73: Los Angeles Clippers (45-27) at Orlando Magic (42-30) - 7pm

[basketballRob]

Some advanced stats favour Black, other Caleb, if are going to do a cherry picking it's fine by me.

Claiming that one of them suck and has no future here is insane and this is what eyriq has beend doing.

You are the only one saying one sucked.

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Eh, I think Caleb sucks

I mean, he's no Hauser or Sam Merrill yet.

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[byeganyo]

Okay, dude, you said they were the same age. Black also has a far better net rating and epm.

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Some advanced stats favour Black, other Caleb, if are going to do a cherry picking it's fine by me.

Claiming that one of them suck and has no future here is insane and this is what eyriq has beend doing.

You are the only one saying one sucked.

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Nope, i havent and eyriq clearly has said it about Houstan for one simple reason.
OK< this conversation serves no purpose anymore.

[Knightro]

Caleb is pretty obviously a better floor spacer than Black. He shoots at a much higher volume and is willing to shoot against contests.

Black is probably better at everything else, but given the Magic lack of spacing, I can understand why Houstan keeps getting the call.

[thelead]

Mosley can be the coach but he badly needs a top assistant. Also fire the guy whos job is to call for a challenge.

1000%. Mose is fine as a head coach but he needs an offensive coordinator. We also need to figure out the shooting coach situation. Suggs has obviously made a huge leap but I'm not sure what happened to most of the others.

Paolo and Houstan have improved too, its just Franz and his 3pt shot being completely dead. Cole is back to his usual subpar self.

but the FT shooting is also abysmal

[MagicMatic]

Wanted to preserve a timeout to draw up a play for the worst 3 point shooters on the team in recent weeks....make it make sense

You guys do realize that who the ball goes to isn't always the first option? Hell, probably not the second either.. which is why you want extra timeouts at the end. We had 1 and they covered it well.

I do agree we should've challenged though. Video assistant have the ipads and could've helped but didnt want to.

Lmfao

[eyriq]

STOP SKEWING STATS - Black has made 35 threes the whole year - 35!! In 1257 minutes. or one 3pt every 35 minutes.
Caleb has 68 in 770 minutes. or one 3pt every 11 minutes.

Who gives a **** about the shooting % when Black barely shoots?

And you can pull some advanced stats if you want - Caleb has a higher WS48, higher VORP, higher BPM and so on Those are your usual arguments for Black, right?

Caleb's a year older (basketballrob ftw) and has a lower PER. AB clears Caleb in more advanced stats than not, and isn't a one trick pony.

You can pick whatever stats fit your narrative, but s hitting on players from the team just because someone you like doesnt play is annoying behavior, especially when is someone who really is not impactuful right now.

You probably aren't wrong and I should be better. But it's hard. We use both picks and bench them behind players that aren't controllable assets or really that good. I mean Harris, Fultz, and Caleb might not be in the top 240 at this point. We aren't winning because we play Harris, Fultz, or Caleb over AB, and we aren't setting ourselves up for the future by benching AB. It is irrational. I don't like irrational things.

[byeganyo]

Wanted to preserve a timeout to draw up a play for the worst 3 point shooters on the team in recent weeks....make it make sense

You guys do realize that who the ball goes to isn't always the first option? Hell, probably not the second either.. which is why you want extra timeouts at the end. We had 1 and they covered it well.

I do agree we should've challenged though. Video assistant have the ipads and could've helped but didnt want to.

i was curious so i watched it back, yeah franz wasn't the intended target, the play was so poorly executed i have to guess that maybe paolo was the target...although credit to clippers defense they read the room and chose when to switch everything and this possession was the perfect time to do so

The real question is why Franz was on the floor?

[SOUL]

Lmfao

He just watched it back and confirmed it? What's funny? Goes against your blame the coach mentality? Or you mad that you can't call a mod a bitch?

[basketballRob]

Caleb could grow into a Grayson Allen type player.

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[MagicMatic]

Yeah Magic need to hit shots.

They probably also need to learn how to move the ball and not let the same 2 players turn the ball over 3-4 possessions in a row because they lack guards that can get the ball to them. Predictable as ****.

[MagicMatic]

Lmfao

He just watched it back and confirmed it? What's funny? Goes against your blame the coach mentality? Or you mad that you can't call a mod a bitch?

Why would I call you a bitch?

[fateis007]

Franz is killing us with his inability to let it fly. I get it, his shooting is down, but the dude is turning into ben simmons out there. He has been left open for so many mid range shots, and he wont even try there now.

[Knightro]

1000%. Mose is fine as a head coach but he needs an offensive coordinator. We also need to figure out the shooting coach situation. Suggs has obviously made a huge leap but I'm not sure what happened to most of the others.

Paolo and Houstan have improved too, its just Franz and his 3pt shot being completely dead. Cole is back to his usual subpar self.

but the FT shooting is also abysmal

Meh.

The only really bad FT shooters are Paolo and Carter. Most of the rotation players are well over 75%.

[SOUL]

Why would I call you a bitch?

Dunno, I just like to debate. Indulge me.

But seriously, Franz cannot be 7/45 for the month. It just can't happen.

Our versatility in three point shooting options is a huge issue for playcalling. If Ingles, Harris and Houstan can only shoot one particular way, we're absolutely cooked.

Suggs is the only one who can do interesting things with creating space to shoot threes and he doesn't do it enough.

[thelead]

Paolo and Houstan have improved too, its just Franz and his 3pt shot being completely dead. Cole is back to his usual subpar self.

but the FT shooting is also abysmal

Meh.

The only really bad FT shooters are Paolo and Carter. Most of the rotation players are well over 75%.

cool. so we have no issues shooting 3's or FT's. Are we watching the same games?

[eyriq]

Kawhi out dueling Paolo isn't something that should surprise us. Franz played amazing defense.

[Knightro]

Yeah Magic need to hit shots.

They probably also need to learn how to move the ball and not let the same 2 players turn the ball over 3-4 possessions in a row because they lack guards that can get the ball to them. Predictable as ****.

I mean aren't you answering your own outrage?

The Magic don't have a guard who can get the ball to the forwards or the shooters, so there's a natural default to just letting the forwards play isolation.

It's a lot more of a personnel issue than a coaching issue.

What is Mosley going to do exactly? Ingles got extended minutes tonight because he can actually make some passes and everyone screamed from the rooftops that HE was playing too much.

[Bensational]

Caleb's a year older (basketballrob ftw) and has a lower PER. AB clears Caleb in more advanced stats than not, and isn't a one trick pony.

You can pick whatever stats fit your narrative, but s hitting on players from the team just because someone you like doesnt play is annoying behavior, especially when is someone who really is not impactuful right now.

You probably aren't wrong and I should be better. But it's hard. We use both picks and bench them behind players that aren't controllable assets or really that good. I mean Harris, Fultz, and Caleb might not be in the top 240 at this point. We aren't winning because we play Harris, Fultz, or Caleb over AB, and we aren't setting ourselves up for the future by benching AB. It is irrational. I didn't like irrational things.

At least you’re arguing in favour of someone on the team, and not just **** on our guys because you pine for greener grass in someone else’s yard.

I don’t think we should be slandering any Magic players, except for WCJ and Cole who clearly suck and need to be kicked off the team, but other than them we should be cheering for our guys instead of lining up their fantasy replacements.

(Jokes about WCJ and Cole, just wanted to add more contentiousness to the discussions)

[SOUL]

cool. so we have no issues shooting 3's or FT's. Are we watching the same games?

Our issue with our threes is that we don't hit wide open threes.

That's where the nuanced discussion of bad offense versus bad scheming needs to be separated a bit.

Our shots in the 1st quarter of the last two games had so many open shots and layups rim out. You absolutely take that as an offensive scheme. There is no 100% play to call, so easy lays at the rim and open threes are what every team wants... you have to make them though.

Late game is where our scheming gets clunky. Teams can load up and play tight on everybody because of our lack of offensive talent. We don't have many tough shot makers and we're turnover prone.

[Knightro]

but the FT shooting is also abysmal

Meh.

The only really bad FT shooters are Paolo and Carter. Most of the rotation players are well over 75%.

cool. so we have no issues shooting 3's or FT's. Are we watching the same games?

I just think there's a natural inclination from most people - yourself included, myself included at times - when something doesn't go well that there HAS to be an explanation and somebody HAS to be held accountable.

The Magic don't shoot well, so they MUST have a bad shooting coach who isn't teaching these guys how to shoot properly!

Or maybe they just didn't build a very good roster from a shot creation and shooting perspective? Combine that with one guy in particular having a severe backslide significantly from the 3PT line.

It's not always as sinister as some of y'all seem to want it to be.