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eyriq wrote:

Knightro wrote:

thelead wrote:I have a memory like an elephant. I remember you wanting him years ago.

He's not the only one...

Me on 7/26/23

Hartenstein played really well with the Clippers when he was allowed to do a lot of the dribble hand off/high post passing fulcrum stuff that the Magic do with Carter offensively. And he's a plus defender.

I don't think the Knicks used him as well as they could have and he would be better served here.

Me on 12/28/22

Just go get Hartenstein from the Knicks.

Me on 12/6/22

I'd glad give them any of the expiring contracts (Ross, Bamba, Hampton) and a 2nd.

Hartenstein can really play and they're using him poorly.

Me on 10/4/22

The Magic would be massively better off had they signed Hartenstein instead of Bamba.

Me on 7/29/22

Statistically, Hartenstein is way better than Bamba and was arguably the best backup center in the entire NBA last season.

I'd be 100% in favor of signing him.

Me on 4/22/24
Hartenstein is a bench player. Definition of mid. Prefer Claxton.

tiderulz wrote:

RookieStar wrote:

OrlChamps2030 wrote:
I hope you're right.. but Weltman has already said he'd be okay with running it back. If the FO decides to stand pat this offseason, would you defend the move?

We know they will make moves. The question is, are the moves the one we want or not?

do we?

Knightro wrote:

eyriq wrote:Me on 4/22/24
Hartenstein is a bench player. Definition of mid. Prefer Claxton.

He's better than Claxton

Probably won't be significantly cheaper at this point though.

eyriq wrote:

Knightro wrote:

thelead wrote:I have a memory like an elephant. I remember you wanting him years ago.

He's not the only one...

Me on 7/26/23

Hartenstein played really well with the Clippers when he was allowed to do a lot of the dribble hand off/high post passing fulcrum stuff that the Magic do with Carter offensively. And he's a plus defender.

I don't think the Knicks used him as well as they could have and he would be better served here.

Me on 12/28/22

Just go get Hartenstein from the Knicks.

Me on 12/6/22

I'd glad give them any of the expiring contracts (Ross, Bamba, Hampton) and a 2nd.

Hartenstein can really play and they're using him poorly.

Me on 10/4/22

The Magic would be massively better off had they signed Hartenstein instead of Bamba.

Me on 7/29/22

Statistically, Hartenstein is way better than Bamba and was arguably the best backup center in the entire NBA last season.

I'd be 100% in favor of signing him.

Me on 4/22/24
Hartenstein is a bench player. Definition of mid. Prefer Claxton.

JF5 wrote:

Howard Mass wrote:Back in 1997, The Magic had a bad first two games in Miami.

Then, Darrell Armstrong was put n and Penny Hardaway just took over.

Things looked bleak then down 2-0 and The Magic almost won that series.

The bad offensive starts are hurting this team but the offensive setup is pretty dreadful and this team misses what Markelle Fultz previously brought to them. Unfortunately, some injuries and his shot has regressed badly to the point that TOS he has might be back even worse than it was.

They need someone who can run the offense and not constantly have the forwards bringing up the ball.

I would really like to see Anthony Black get a shot here to help with this and some other players to give this team a spark.

It doesn't look good but it's far from over.

I want to believe... but that Magic team had a vets and veteran star player in Penny with multiple playoff runs in his back pocket.

It's going to be tough to rely on young guys to do something similar in their first playoff run.

SOUL wrote:

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OrlChamps2030 wrote:

SOUL wrote:To take a step back.. if we're one or two scorers/shooters from being favorites over a strong Cavs team (who dealt with injuries).. I also don't think we're as far away as people are acting with these losses.

We're essentially in the pre-Shard Magic era when Dwight was in the playoffs in his third year.

That lineup was:

Hill
Turk
Dwight
Battie
Nelson

With a crap bench. Things will change, we'll get better

I'm sure Hawks fans were sure they were going to take another step forward after the ECF and Kings fans probably thought they'd improve over last year as well

The FO actually has to make moves to improve. This may not be a 47 win team if the only improvement going into next year is from internal improvement. I want to believe. But this is also the same FO who rolled into the season with Fultz as a starting PG and doubled down again, while in the playoff race, with Fultz as their starting PG on a playoff team

You never know if this team is going to be fighting for the #2 seed in the last few weeks of the season again next year.

JF5 wrote:The Goga and Black stuff would make sense if the Magic were having defensive issues. But they're calling for guys who average 7-8 points between each other and Cleveland isn't even shooting too well.

basketballRob wrote:

JF5 wrote:The Goga and Black stuff would make sense if the Magic were having defensive issues. But they're calling for guys who average 7-8 points between each other and Cleveland isn't even shooting too well.

Can't score if you can't rebound.

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SOUL wrote:

Last Guardian wrote:I want Goga/Black AND for Paolo and Franz to stop playing like dog doo. Both things can be true. The fan complaints are pretty legit.

It reeks of "my guys haven't had a chance to suck in this setting, so until they do, it's the reason we lose" when in all actuality, we may suck just as much if Franz/Paolo/our top 8 rotation guys **** the bed shooting, rebounding, etc.

AB and Goga can go 0-10 or 10-10 and if those guys suck, the outcome is the same.

basketballRob wrote:

JF5 wrote:The Goga and Black stuff would make sense if the Magic were having defensive issues. But they're calling for guys who average 7-8 points between each other and Cleveland isn't even shooting too well.

Can't score if you can't rebound.

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JF5 wrote:

basketballRob wrote:

JF5 wrote:The Goga and Black stuff would make sense if the Magic were having defensive issues. But they're calling for guys who average 7-8 points between each other and Cleveland isn't even shooting too well.

Can't score if you can't rebound.

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If you get an offensive rebound and you still miss the shot does offensive rebounding matter then? Shooting 33% one game and then 36% the next will lead to losses 97-98% of the time regardless how good you're rebounding.

SOUL wrote:

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basketballRob wrote:

JF5 wrote:

basketballRob wrote:Can't score if you can't rebound.

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If you get an offensive rebound and you still miss the shot does offensive rebounding matter then? Shooting 33% one game and then 36% the next will lead to losses 97-98% of the time regardless how good you're rebounding.

We have a better offensive rating with Goga than Wendell.

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KillMonger wrote:Our offense is so putrid man I can't help but wonder how it looks if we went another way. Mose said he runs and read and react offense and he wants the guys to become decision makers but I can't help but wonder if it wouldn't be better to just run a regular offense and put paolo on rails with way more set actions.... Instead of him just trying to read everything and survey and just be more decisive

SOUL wrote:Magic fans be like:

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