Do you think Franz Wagner should get a Max or not?

[RichCollab]

Zero chance we let him walk.

[Skybox]

How did not giving him a max deteriorate into letting him walk

[Driguez]

We are resigning him for whatever the FO values him at, probably the max. Also, stop worrying about billionaires money Lol you aren't signing their checks. I trust this FO.

[CocoaFan]

Reminds me of the poll the Orlando Sentinel came out with asking if Shaq was worth the money and your average Joe's all voted no. Shaq used that as a reason he left the Magic. Said he wasn't appreciated.

[RichCollab]

Let’s not **** around and then find out.

[Orlando Dawg]

I correctly predicted Magic would pay Moritz 8 mil
Here Magic might take the Max (~38 mil) and subtract Moritz (~8 mil) and offer Franz ~30 mil/year starting.
The sales pitch will be “Franz + Moritz = the max”

[drsd]

When I read:

Should Franz Wagner be signed to a max contract?

I am reminded by the O-Sen poll asking fans, "Should Shaq be paid 100M?" It is a flawed question with flawed grammar. And all it does is rile up a young man.

Really the question should be more like, "Is the market for F-Wagner to be offered a max-contract"?

Look: nobody "should" make even a 100k a year to throw a ball at a metal ring. But if the market is F-Wagner as a max guy, than he will be offered a max contract.



In conclusion, how about this sentence for the poll: Will Franz Wagner be signed to a max contract?

[The-Stallion70]

Zero chance we let him walk.

Not the question being asked.

[pepe1991]

When I read:

Should Franz Wagner be signed to a max contract?

I am reminded by the O-Sen poll asking fans, "Should Shaq be paid 100M?" It is a flawed question with flawed grammar. And all it does is rile up a young man.

Really the question should be more like, "Is the market for F-Wagner to be offered a max-contract"?

Look: nobody "should" make even a 100k a year to throw a ball at a metal ring. But if the market is F-Wagner as a max guy, than he will be offered a max contract.



In conclusion, how about this sentence for the poll: Will Franz Wagner be signed to a max contract?

Yea, my ideal team is made out of 8 allstars with each and every one of them is being payed vets minimum so i can get better.

I don't want players to get payed, because league works under restricted money to use, it's not that i care who makes what, it's more of basketball reasons why i root against max contracts.

But as you said, we have no control over market, market for 6'10 SG/SF/PF who is 22-23 years old and averages 20 ppg says he will get max contract from somebody.

[Bensational]

There are 43 players who are paid $30M or more this season.

A max for Franz will put him in that Desmond Bane $34M - Darius Garland $36M range. His name doesn’t sound out of place amongst them.

Suggs is probably going to get an offer in the Jaden McDaniels $22M to Andrew Wiggins $26M range.

All up, $60M together. Better value than Bradley Beal!

[RichCollab]

Zero chance we let him walk.

Not the question being asked.

Someone is going to pay Franz max. Hope it’s us.

[Message Boar]

Zero chance we let him walk.

Not the question being asked.

Someone is going to pay Franz max. Hope it’s us.

Honestly, worst case scenario we match it in restricted free agency or maybe (very unlikely) we put him in a trade package for a bonafide all-star. 0% chance this front office just lets Franz walk.

[Skin]

NBA players get overpaid. Get over it. Max is guaranteed.

This may have been true some years ago, but with the new cba, you really shouldn't be maxing anyone that you're not confident in to be a second option on a championship team. Not even the "low"-ish rookie max.

As for the shooting, I'm confident he'll get back to around league average soon enough. I'm honestly more concerned about how he let Max Strus lock him up when Strus decided to really try hard for a game.

I think $30M-$33M AAV (or starting there and then with normal yearly increases, I could settle for that) is about fair for Franz if we were to do an extension this offseason. (so that would go roughly 33>35,6>38,5>41,6>44,9 which makes 5/~193,6M, or 38,7M per year on average)

Who comes to your mind?

[The-Stallion70]

When I read:

Should Franz Wagner be signed to a max contract?

I am reminded by the O-Sen poll asking fans, "Should Shaq be paid 100M?" It is a flawed question with flawed grammar. And all it does is rile up a young man.

Really the question should be more like, "Is the market for F-Wagner to be offered a max-contract"?

Look: nobody "should" make even a 100k a year to throw a ball at a metal ring. But if the market is F-Wagner as a max guy, than he will be offered a max contract.



In conclusion, how about this sentence for the poll: Will Franz Wagner be signed to a max contract?

It is not flawed grammar, maybe to you but not to us yanks.

Changing "should" to "will" changes the question as well on an rudimentary level. We both know that players do get paid maxes even if we do not actually totally believe they are worth it. This is why I asked to explain reasoning because there different possible interpretations and reasoning for each.

If you think hard enough you could probably imagine both questions to mean the same thing in this context but thats probably asking a bit much.

[Message Boar]

Spoiler:

NBA players get overpaid. Get over it. Max is guaranteed.

This may have been true some years ago, but with the new cba, you really shouldn't be maxing anyone that you're not confident in to be a second option on a championship team. Not even the "low"-ish rookie max.

As for the shooting, I'm confident he'll get back to around league average soon enough. I'm honestly more concerned about how he let Max Strus lock him up when Strus decided to really try hard for a game.

I think $30M-$33M AAV (or starting there and then with normal yearly increases, I could settle for that) is about fair for Franz if we were to do an extension this offseason. (so that would go roughly 33>35,6>38,5>41,6>44,9 which makes 5/~193,6M, or 38,7M per year on average)

Who comes to your mind?

I'm not 100% sure I understand what you're asking, but from the previous class the rookies (2020) to receive max extensions during the equivalent summer to this upcoming one were Edwards, Haliburton, LaMelo. Then under that you have Bane, McDaniels, Vassell as the only ones that over 50% of the max AAV in extensions that offseason (source: Spotrac).

The 2019 class had Zion, Morant, Garland getting maxed, then Poole, Herro, Barrett, Hunter in the 50-99% max group.

The 2018 class had Luka, SGA, Trae and Michael Porter jr. getting maxed (Luka/Trae on supermaxes because of all-nba teams), then JJJ, Mikal Bridges in the second group. If you remember what the perception of Mikal was when he was with the Suns back then; he got almost two-thirds of the max.

I think it's fair to say that based on last season as a whole, I identify Franz more as a guy in the second group, probably/hopefully on the higher end of it. I maintain my stance that if I were negotiating for the Magic and his agent insists on the max, I'd tell him to go out there and prove it next season. And I love Franz, he's probably my favorite player right now, even though Suggs is challenging for that spot. Speaking of which, someone should make a Suggs extension discussion thread

[drsd]

It is not flawed grammar, maybe to you but not to us yanks.

Dude: I was born in Winter Park (on the old Navy base). 6-years time served at Publix. I graduated UCF.

But I do question you here: You should KNOW that yankees are from the North. That you would use that word, Are you the transplant (New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, etc.)?

Changing "should" to "will" changes the question as well on an rudimentary level. We both know that players do get paid maxes even if we do not actually totally believe they are worth it. This is why I asked to explain reasoning because there different possible interpretations and reasoning for each.

If you think hard enough you could probably imagine both questions to mean the same thing in this context but thats probably asking a bit much.

And that is my point. The question actually makes more sense as an expectations question over a desire question. Asking if F-Wagner "should" make 30M+ per season is a ridiculous question. The only Magic employee that should make that kind of money is Stuff.

You are probably too young to remember that "should" lost Shaq. I am old enough to know, DON'T ask that question.

[Message Boar]

It is not flawed grammar, maybe to you but not to us yanks.

Dude: I was born in Winter Park (on the old Navy base). 6-years time served at Publix. I graduated UCF.

But I do question you here: You should KNOW that yankees are from the North. That you would use that word, Are you the transplant (New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, etc.)?

Changing "should" to "will" changes the question as well on an rudimentary level. We both know that players do get paid maxes even if we do not actually totally believe they are worth it. This is why I asked to explain reasoning because there different possible interpretations and reasoning for each.

If you think hard enough you could probably imagine both questions to mean the same thing in this context but thats probably asking a bit much.

And that is my point. The question actually makes more sense as an expectations question over a desire question. Asking if F-Wagner "should" make 30M+ per season is a ridiculous question. The only Magic employee that should make that kind of money is Stuff.

You are probably too young to remember that "should" lost Shaq. I am old enough to know, DON'T ask that question.

You're paranoid. This is an internet message board not the main local newspaper (and we're probably more informed around here than the voters in the Shaq poll were back then). And even if this ever reached Franz I'm confident he would keep a level head about it and not care, as he should. If you want a poll asking what Franz Wagner will get if he gets extended this summer, go ahead and make that. This thread seems to be about more posters discussing what a "fair value" extension would be and if that's the max.

[drsd]

You're paranoid.

The-Stallion70 used the word "yanks". That is not a word anyone from Central Florida would ever use about Floridians (at least "in my day").

[drsd]

This is an internet message board not the main local newspaper (and we're probably more informed around here than the voters in the Shaq poll were back then).

This is an interesting point to reflect on. In 1989-1994 (the first five years)*, every Magic fan read the O-Sen sports page every day. But that was it. It is true that there is a lot more "noise" now about what is possible. Back then, there was no obsession of let's trade X for Y. It was much more about the product than the process, back then.

Ah: simpler times!



* = I left Florida for Wisconsin in 1994 and had the O-Sen delivered to me in Madison. Then Mosaic became Netscape and that was that.

[Message Boar]

Times have changed, that's for sure. But here we are and we have places to geek out about basketball minutiae.

Oh, and the paranoid remark was about your last sentence not the first , additionally, that poll probably accounts for at most 2% of the reason Shaq left, with most of it being the Magic lowballing him and Shaq just wanting to go to Hollywood and be in movies and stuff (and play for one of the premier franchises in the sport). Some jealousy of Penny and his endorsements also factored in somewhere, if what I remember reading/hearing is right. Anyway we're getting very sidetracked here, let's get back on topic on page 3