Pre Season Game 3 Magic vs Rockets

[magicfan4life05]

IT's good to hear some other points of view on our roster. I am most nervous about our PG situation, cause Barnes had a really good game in the first pre-season I think, so he'll come around.

agreed

IMO the most important thing was on the defensive end. I'm not worried about nelson and jwill on offense, I think they'll be fine/great there. But on defense, whoever jwill was guarding was having his way and penetrating. Regarding nelson, we all know he plays his heart out on D, but that size advantage that other guards will have on him is there, and the smart players will take advantage.

I remember in 2006, when miami got jwill, Pat Riley made it a BIG POINT to have jwill in to start the game, and have him there in the 4th qtr for offense, but in the last 2 mins or so, he'd bring in Payton and that's why he signed him, to make up for Jwill's D. (and this was jwill in 2006)

So I'm not saying Williams is gonna play late in the 4th qtr, but just give everyone the idea about what a championship coach did to handle his PG situation defensively. I think it's going to be something to watch for this season if an explosive PG is going off on nelson/jwill, how will SVG react? put barnes on him? it'll be interesting to see...

I wouldn't say it's a HUGE area of concern, but definitely something to keep your eye on...

[BassMaster]

Orlando's wings suck. Other than Carter there's no one that can create his own shot and the ball movement stops too often once Redick, Barnes or Pietrus touch the Ball.
Pietrus will still be effective due his defense and scoring, but Redick and Barnes are just awful. I like Bass and I hope he'll start but if Lewis plays at the 3 Orlando will post up one of Howard, Lewis and Carter pretty much every time. I still hope Orlando will trade for Keyon eventually, he just so much better than any of Orlando's current PG/SG backups.

Howard Gortat
Bass Anderson
Lewis Pietrus
Carter Pietrus Dooling
Nelson Dooling

My best guess is that you didn't check the stats for Anderson and Redick 12 and 14 points and limited turnovers. Plus they both got their teammates involved when they were on the court.

My best advice for you is if you want Dooling that much start following the Nets, because that is where he is going to be for the foreseeable future.

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IT's good to hear some other points of view on our roster. I am most nervous about our PG situation, cause Barnes had a really good game in the first pre-season I think, so he'll come around.

My Barnes criticism wasn't so much about this game. He did ok. He a solid player. I just don't like him on this team. He can't really create, he's a pretty inconsistent shooter and a average defender.

Last year it was pick your poison with Orlando. Lots of penetration and great ball movement. Other than Dwight pretty much everbody could create; even Lewis, since he was matched up with bigger and slower 4's mostly. Now Orlando will have to rely a lot more one post up plays, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. I just wish they'd have one more SG/SF who's able to create his own shot (someone like Keyon, Courtney or Hedo). I know Keyon is a combo guard, but that's kinda what the Magic (still) lack in my opinion.

My best guess is that you didn't check the stats for Anderson and Redick 12 and 14 points and limited turnovers. Plus they both got their teammates involved when they were on the court.

My best advice for you is if you want Dooling that much start following the Nets, because that is where he is going to be for the foreseeable future.

I could care less about stats. I watched the game. I like Anderson a lot. Redick is a great 3rd SG, I just don't want him to play any meaningful minutes. And don't worry, I sure will watch quite a few Nets games.

[SolidSnake008]

IT's good to hear some other points of view on our roster. I am most nervous about our PG situation, cause Barnes had a really good game in the first pre-season I think, so he'll come around.

My Barnes criticism wasn't so much about this game. He did ok. He a solid player. I just don't like him on this team. He can't really create, he's a pretty inconsistent shooter and a average defender.

Last year it was pick your poison with Orlando. Lots of penetration and great ball movement. Other than Dwight pretty much everbody could create; even Lewis, since he was matched up with bigger and slower 4's mostly. Now Orlando will have to rely a lot more one post up plays, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. I just wish they'd have one more SG/SF who's able to create his own shot (someone like Keyon, Courtney or Hedo). I know Keyon is a combo guard, but that's kinda what the Magic (still) lack in my opion.

My best guess is that you didn't check the stats for Anderson and Redick 12 and 14 points and limited turnovers. Plus they both got their teammates involved when they were on the court.

My best advice for you is if you want Dooling that much start following the Nets, because that is where he is going to be for the foreseeable future.

I could care less about stats. I watched the game. I like Anderson a lot. Redick is a great 3rd SG, I just don't want him to play any meaningful minutes. And don't worry, I sure will watch quite a few Nets games.

i agree with most of your points but i guess you'll have to put up with jj cause van gundy said the he will be the backup for vince

[vinageras]

IT's good to hear some other points of view on our roster. I am most nervous about our PG situation, cause Barnes had a really good game in the first pre-season I think, so he'll come around.

My Barnes criticism wasn't so much about this game. He did ok. He a solid player. I just don't like him on this team. He can't really create, he's a pretty inconsistent shooter and a average defender.

Last year it was pick your poison with Orlando. Lots of penetration and great ball movement. Other than Dwight pretty much everbody could create; even Lewis, since he was matched up with bigger and slower 4's mostly. Now Orlando will have to rely a lot more one post up plays, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. I just wish they'd have one more SG/SF who's able to create his own shot (someone like Keyon, Courtney or Hedo). I know Keyon is a combo guard, but that's kinda what the Magic (still) lack in my opion.

My best guess is that you didn't check the stats for Anderson and Redick 12 and 14 points and limited turnovers. Plus they both got their teammates involved when they were on the court.

My best advice for you is if you want Dooling that much start following the Nets, because that is where he is going to be for the foreseeable future.

I could care less about stats. I watched the game. I like Anderson a lot. Redick is a great 3rd SG, I just don't want him to play any meaningful minutes. And don't worry, I sure will watch quite a few Nets games.

I actually liked Dooling while he was here, but he's a Combo Guard, who I wouldn't let play PG. As a defensive force and an instant offense player, he was doing OK. I like to have "purer" PGs in the team like J-Will and AJ, although they're not as good as Dooling obviously. Where I disagree with you the most is with Matt Barnes. We don't need him to create, that's why we have Jameer, Vince and Rashard. We need him to be a defensive player, kind of in the Bowen mold: mean streak, defense and wide open 3's. I think he was a huge addition to this team and that will show in the playoffs, specially since our defensive specialist at the wings is kind of injury prone. JJ is a great 3rd string, one of the best in the game, and I'd like him to get spot minutes when in need of offensive threats. He's getting to the line, and has always shown a "higher than average" IQ in offensive schemes (I especially like that P&R play with Gortat).

We'll be fine, we just need guys to pick up their roles quickly, and we'll be unstoppable!!

[CourtsideTV]

im VERY excited about this year.. I think this is it. I know its just preseason but without dwight howard (I know they were missing tmac and yao)...but without Dwight..team is very solid..so imagine when dwgiht omes in to anchor it..gortat is playing very very good...nelson is back to allstar form, carter is playing like crap...bass has a sweet J..shard still good..JJ getting his...barnes with good boxing out..

the thing i love about this team is they feed off each other and play through the opponents.

just very solid effort by Orlando

can't wait for the season already

lastly..refs are so bad..so many bad calls...mostly in favor of magic but still..it was just ugly..if i was on the rockets I would've gotten ejected.

[GameOver25]

IT's good to hear some other points of view on our roster. I am most nervous about our PG situation, cause Barnes had a really good game in the first pre-season I think, so he'll come around.

My Barnes criticism wasn't so much about this game. He did ok. He a solid player. I just don't like him on this team. He can't really create, he's a pretty inconsistent shooter and a average defender.

Last year it was pick your poison with Orlando. Lots of penetration and great ball movement. Other than Dwight pretty much everbody could create; even Lewis, since he was matched up with bigger and slower 4's mostly. Now Orlando will have to rely a lot more one post up plays, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. I just wish they'd have one more SG/SF who's able to create his own shot (someone like Keyon, Courtney or Hedo). I know Keyon is a combo guard, but that's kinda what the Magic (still) lack in my opion.

My best guess is that you didn't check the stats for Anderson and Redick 12 and 14 points and limited turnovers. Plus they both got their teammates involved when they were on the court.

My best advice for you is if you want Dooling that much start following the Nets, because that is where he is going to be for the foreseeable future.

I could care less about stats. I watched the game. I like Anderson a lot. Redick is a great 3rd SG, I just don't want him to play any meaningful minutes. And don't worry, I sure will watch quite a few Nets games.

I actually liked Dooling while he was here, but he's a Combo Guard, who I wouldn't let play PG. As a defensive force and an instant offense player, he was doing OK. I like to have "purer" PGs in the team like J-Will and AJ, although they're not as good as Dooling obviously. Where I disagree with you the most is with Matt Barnes. We don't need him to create, that's why we have Jameer, Vince and Rashard. We need him to be a defensive player, kind of in the Bowen mold: mean streak, defense and wide open 3's. I think he was a huge addition to this team and that will show in the playoffs, specially since our defensive specialist at the wings is kind of injury prone. JJ is a great 3rd string, one of the best in the game, and I'd like him to get spot minutes when in need of offensive threats. He's getting to the line, and has always shown a "higher than average" IQ in offensive schemes (I especially like that P&R play with Gortat).

We'll be fine, we just need guys to pick up their roles quickly, and we'll be unstoppable!!

Nailed it!!
+1

[EasternMagic]

That's your opinion i though jj played well.... and one more thing those guys are bench players so for the second unit they are great it would be another thing if they were starters

Dooling is a bench player too. He's still a lot better than Redick, Barnes, J-Will and AJ. Gortat, Anderson and Pietrus are great bench player too.

Woah... a little heavy on the Dooling love..
Dooling isnt that good.

[Visirale]

Great game.

The bad part about being a good team is that a lot more people come who don't care about the game. I had to get up at least 20 times throughout the game as people were just going in and out of their seats, not watching the game too much. Guess I need to pony up for a box in the new arena .

I love Barnes off the bench. Not the best night tonight, but he can definitely facilitate the other players.

Brandon Bass is MONEY with his midrange jumper. They all just swished in.

Nelson is playing a lot more like a facilitating PG, which I was worried about.

Gortat played up to his salary.

Carter was just what we needed him to be.

I used to be a JJ hater but he has been putting a lot of effort in this season. I LOL'd every time he'd drive hard at the basket.

Good game overall... add Dwight in and that's a blowout.

[MagicandKnights]

I hate these new refs.... they are terrible

[SolidSnake008]

damn we are really gonna miss shard i hope basshole and Mr. anderson can pick up the slack when it counts

[AGENTSTEVO]

I was up there in the O-Zone Sec 219. I must say, the NBA needs to solve this ref problem. The replacement refs are terrible!!! So many awful calls. But that game did have some amazing moments. VC's Reverse Slam, Gortat's 6 blocks, Dwight swishing 3's and the half court heave during warmups, or Jameer's wild and crazy layup drive. Its gonna be a great year!

[ivDT]

damn we are really gonna miss shard i hope basshole and Mr. anderson can pick up the slack when it counts

basshole? seriously?

[SolidSnake008]

damn we are really gonna miss shard i hope basshole and Mr. anderson can pick up the slack when it counts

basshole? seriously?

i was just kidding on that part i heard someone say it and i thought it was funny plus does he even have a nickname?

[MagicFan32]

shutup about vince morons it's preseason these games are worthless

These games are actually extremely useful to us, a team that has so many new guys, on the starting roster and the bench. So a lot of what we have changes, our rotation, bench strategy, late-game plays, etc. It is very important for Vince to use these games to figure out his role on the team so we have a better chance of a good start come game 1.

These games are only meaningful to players that are trying to make the rotation or get more minutes like JJ, Gortat, Jwill and Anderson everything else is just BUILDING towards real games Stan wants vince to shoot 3's so he's going to do it

[SolidSnake008]

the funny thing is most of the shots we are taking are good shots and in the flow of the game(vince had some questionable moments) once the shots start falling we're going to be blowing teams out on offense and when we start playing consistent defense i could see us holding teams under 100 night in night out

[Hilltop]

damn we are really gonna miss shard i hope basshole and Mr. anderson can pick up the slack when it counts

basshole? seriously?

i was just kidding on that part i heard someone say it and i thought it was funny plus does he even have a nickname?

You probably heard it from me I've used the term Basshole a lot.

[Hilltop]

People have pretty much said it all so I'd just be reinforcing with some of my main observations.

Brandon Bass' mid-range shot is exactly as advertised. He's a big body to throw in the paint alongside Howard, and he's got enough range to spread the floor.

I've been keeping an eye on Jameer and I think he's close to old form. He didn't shoot well in the last game, but he put it together against the Rockets tonight.

No words are needed to describe the Gortat performance. All Chuck Norris/Rasho-esque jokes aside, it's clear that given playing time and the right opportunities, he is a very talented Center.

[SolidSnake008]

i know it's preseason but it feels good to win again... i wanna see how we stack up against the other "contenders" do we play any of them in the preseason?

[drsd]

Eventually, there will be a point where Coach Man stops drawing up plays for Carter behind the arc.