** Official 2024 Make or Break Offseason Thread **
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In an ideal world we don't settle for a third aging star signing and with our cap space/assets we find 2 o 3 very solid players of the Aaron Gordon, Derrick White or even PJ Washington calibeer to build a very strong team.
Hope Morey has identified some guys that he's confident enough to go that route.
Hope Morey has identified some guys that he's confident enough to go that route.
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What made the Buddy Hield experiment fail? Why did it look promising early on and during our last game? I think it's crucial to answer these questions to determine if we should re-sign him or not.
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I think Morey is the type of GM who doesn't just acquire players based on their talent alone; he prefers players who provide more value to the team than their general market value. Seth Curry and Kelly Oubre are good examples of this. Both were undervalued in the league, but Morey was able to bring them here and make them shine in roles that were perfect for them.
I don't think he cares about age, as long as the player has a role on the team that allows him to have his best years with us.
I don't think he cares about age, as long as the player has a role on the team that allows him to have his best years with us.
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Eyeamok wrote:I love all these alternate ideas of using the cap space that don't include Lebron, PG, Butler or paying DD 40 million a season, that's just crazy. There is only one guy that I would give up some capital for and that is KD, but he is not going to be available until next season when Phoenix realizes their big 3 is not going to work. I've said it before and I'll say it again even in the off season their is never a dull moment being a 76ers fan.
Buying at the top of the market rarely works unless it's a final-piece type, like Durant to GS, or the James superteam garbage, which the new cap thankfully makes a terrible idea, as the Suns found out. If Morey goes that route, which I don't believe he will, we will quickly learn the lesson yet again.
We could find fault with any of the role players and lesser star names being bandied about in these cap space scenarios, but the fact remains that we have our two guys, and Morey's charge is to put together a group to fit with and compliment them. The Nuggets-Mavericks model is the ideal way to go the way the league is set up now.
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GoSixersBro wrote:Derrick White's stock has never been higher. I'd imagine trading for him, especially with a division rival, would require an overpay. Why can't we get a front office who finds these diamonds in the rough first? We're always the team wanting sloppy seconds when the value is lost.
The Kuzma and Draymond ideas intrigue me, however.
As 76ciology pointed out, Morey has done this here with guys like Curry and Oubre, and the Hield idea was a good one that didn't work, but I'm not convinced couldn't work at a lower price. There are going to be opportunities like that this summer and toward the deadline, and it's on Morey to get it done. That idea excites me so much more than buying a well past its peak stock at an inflated price.
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Feels like Oubre is the Oubre of this year’s FA again (unfortunately): a guy who scores a bunch but is deeply flawed and a bargain bin kind of guy.
Trent probably will demand a decent amount but Kennard could be a interesting option if the Grizz let him go this off-season.
Trent probably will demand a decent amount but Kennard could be a interesting option if the Grizz let him go this off-season.
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76ciology wrote:I’d rather go after Avdija than Kuzma.
Your words to the **** heavens. Morey finessing Deni would go a long way towards denying the washed rumors.
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76ciology wrote:What made the Buddy Hield experiment fail? Why did it look promising early on and during our last game? I think it's crucial to answer these questions to determine if we should re-sign him or not.
This question is easy to answer. Hield has lost all his speed. He moves like he’s in slow motion. He can’t keep in front of anyone on defense, and it takes him to long to get his shot off on offense.
When you are consistently the slowest guy on the court it’s time to hang it up. The Pacers robbed the Sixers getting 2 SRP’s for him. Hopefully Morey understands he blew that trade, better to just let him walk, than double your mistake and resign him.
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PhillyNj wrote:76ciology wrote:What made the Buddy Hield experiment fail? Why did it look promising early on and during our last game? I think it's crucial to answer these questions to determine if we should re-sign him or not.
This question is easy to answer. Hield has lost all his speed. He moves like he’s in slow motion. He can’t keep in front of anyone on defense, and it takes him to long to get his shot off on offense.
When you are consistently the slowest guy on the court it’s time to hang it up. The Pacers robbed the Sixers getting 2 SRP’s for him. Hopefully Morey understands he blew that trade, better to just let him walk, than double your mistake and resign him.
Or Heild had never been in the playoffs before and was overwhelmed by the pace and intensity at which the second season is played. At least that what his agent should say.
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76ciology wrote:I think Morey is the type of GM who doesn't just acquire players based on their talent alone; he prefers players who provide more value to the team than their general market value. Seth Curry and Kelly Oubre are good examples of this. Both were undervalued in the league, but Morey was able to bring them here and make them shine in roles that were perfect for them.
I don't think he cares about age, as long as the player has a role on the team that allows him to have his best years with us.
You can add Drummond and Melton (when healthy) to this group.
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GoSixersBro wrote:Derrick White's stock has never been higher. I'd imagine trading for him, especially with a division rival, would require an overpay. Why can't we get a front office who finds these diamonds in the rough first? We're always the team wanting sloppy seconds when the value is lost.
The Kuzma and Draymond ideas intrigue me, however.
Morey picked up Maxey, Melton and Isiah Joe. Doc thought that Joe could not play for his team so he got traded. Bad move. So there are two diamonds in the rough that Morey has found. Hopefully the 76ers front office is reading this board. There are a lot of good ideas floating around. And just like you the idea of Kuzma / Draymond has me thinking hey why not. And why not us.
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Avdija would be yet another guy we'd have to convince to shoot twice the volume of threes he's shooting now. His 3PAr has decreased every year he's been in the league.
He'd be nice though, for the 16th pick (+). You'd almost want his contract to be flipped though, with the bigger money at the end. He'll only be making 12M in 27/28. That's crazy.
He'd be nice though, for the 16th pick (+). You'd almost want his contract to be flipped though, with the bigger money at the end. He'll only be making 12M in 27/28. That's crazy.
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zaz102 wrote:With the report that Lakers would draft Bronny to appease LeBron, could Morey strong-arm the Lakers by threatening to draft him with #41?Tony Franciosa wrote:Yeah, do not want to have any part in allowing James to strong arm the league into drafting his mediocre son and wasting a mid-level draft pick on that (prefer to waste it on something that has a slightly better chance of turning into something)
Maybe... but that seems like something that could backfire if the Lakers call our bluff.
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Avdija would be one of the best possible players Morey could acquire this summer. It feels unrealistic to mention the dream guys like him or Tari Eason or Herb Jones or Trey Murphy.
On paper though though Avdija would be everything we've been lacking from the F position. Athletic do-it-all utility roleplayer, one of the best defenders in the league (top 10 matchup difficulty). Has been tasked with matchups like KD, Harden, Giannis, and Ja since 2022. Very good lateral movement. Strong finisher around the rim and in transition. Plus rebounder and passer for that position.
You'd have to buy that the shooting numbers are real both from the corner and from three and that it can be extrapolated over more concentrated volume.
That's Morey's Derrick White or Aaron Gordon trade to a tee.
On paper though though Avdija would be everything we've been lacking from the F position. Athletic do-it-all utility roleplayer, one of the best defenders in the league (top 10 matchup difficulty). Has been tasked with matchups like KD, Harden, Giannis, and Ja since 2022. Very good lateral movement. Strong finisher around the rim and in transition. Plus rebounder and passer for that position.
You'd have to buy that the shooting numbers are real both from the corner and from three and that it can be extrapolated over more concentrated volume.
That's Morey's Derrick White or Aaron Gordon trade to a tee.
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76ciology wrote:What made the Buddy Hield experiment fail? Why did it look promising early on and during our last game? I think it's crucial to answer these questions to determine if we should re-sign him or not.
Not being able to get the time in with Embiid to develop some chemistry certainly didn't help.
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Tony Franciosa wrote:zaz102 wrote:With the report that Lakers would draft Bronny to appease LeBron, could Morey strong-arm the Lakers by threatening to draft him with #41?Tony Franciosa wrote:Yeah, do not want to have any part in allowing James to strong arm the league into drafting his mediocre son and wasting a mid-level draft pick on that (prefer to waste it on something that has a slightly better chance of turning into something)
Maybe... but that seems like something that could backfire if the Lakers call our bluff.
It definitely would backfire and the whole league would be up in arms. Why? Morey.
It seems to me that Morey is thought of along the same lines as Ainge, but without any people skills.
Of course if Presti did it, they would be applauding his shrewdness.
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The Wiz just extended Avdija to a far below market deal. He would cost a fortune to get out of there. I'm all for the hope of finessing, but Hinkie is gone and Morey ain't Hinkie.
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the_process wrote:The Wiz just extended Avdija to a far below market deal. He would cost a fortune to get out of there. I'm all for the hope of finessing, but Hinkie is gone and Morey ain't Hinkie.
Agree that Avdija likely isn’t getting traded, but I would definitely check in on how cheap we could get Corey Kispert. He’d be a perfect 3 point specialist off the bench playing with Jo and Maxey. With him hitting RFA after this season and being a draft pick of the last regime I could the Wiz letting him go
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the_process wrote:The Wiz just extended Avdija to a far below market deal. He would cost a fortune to get out of there. I'm all for the hope of finessing, but Hinkie is gone and Morey ain't Hinkie.
Hinkie wouldn't be able to pry Avdija either. He has way too long left on his deal at super cheap money. The guys who come available in trade are approaching the end of their deal.
Avdija is a guy we could realistically target a couple years from now if the Bullets are going nowhere and don't want to pay him huge money on an extension.
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I think our only chance to turn this around is to acquire a running mate for Maxey that gives us a future bot reliant on embiids health.
1. Brandon Ingram at 26-27 yo.
Resign Oubre,Melton,Batum and Heild
1. Brandon Ingram at 26-27 yo.
Resign Oubre,Melton,Batum and Heild