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76ciology wrote:Dejounte’s salary is only $18M
Jerami Grant’s salary is only $27M

We can match that amount of salary with:
Melton
Marcus Morris
Robert Covington
Korkmaz
Danuel House Jr.

Is it worth to trade salaries plus the following picks for those two?
2026 OKC 1st
2028 LAC 1st
2029 LAC 1st
2026 Sixers pick swap
2028 Sixers pick swap
2030 Sixers pick swap

Sixers team after the trade:
Dejounte Murray/Pat Beverly
Tyrese Maxey/Oubre
Tobias Harris/Nic Batum
Jerami Grant/KJ Martin Jr
Joel Embiid/Paul Reed

Outlook:
You got a cap friendly team and some wiggle room with Tobi’s contract expiring. You also got a lot of depth of Dejounte-Maxey-Jerami Grant-Tobias to steal 1-2 games against the Celtics without 100% Joel.

It's an amazing 2K roster. The skill sets are there. I just think it's too many mouths to feed to keep everyone happy. Too many guys that prefer to have the ball in their hands a lot.

If you're going for Dejounte, Hunter might make more sense for the role you'd be trying to fill than Jerami. If you're going for Jerami, you'd probably be better off keeping Melton and going for a guy like Brogdon/Bogdanovic.

Kobblehead wrote:The appeal of trading for Mikal Bridges is the hope that he can return to his former 3&D glory.

But there is very much risk involved, given that he appears to just want to be a mindless scorer that earns a big bag in a couple of years.

I think that's just his role on the team. On a squad full of limited 3+D guys, he's their best offensive option. He's proven more capable of that than expected, but he's still clearly not that guy. Slot him in as a 3rd option and I think you'd get the best of both worlds.

Getting Hayward on the buyout market is probably the ideal outcome of this season right now. Maybe add in a trade for Bruce Brown & we’d have an excellent playoff rotation.

Brooklyn is an interesting team that may become buyers at the deadline, and if they can't get what they want... Could become sellers.

They're using their talent as bait, Bridges in particular, but Cleveland is not trading Mitchell

I'm not really a fan of Bridges. He's not that much better than Tobias. His only advantage is that he's actually a wing so we can play someone at the 4 that can provide more rebounding than Harris so the lineup is better constructed.

Is that worth emptying out all the assets? No way.

I'd try and rent DeRozan for the playoff run if it doesn't require a FRP and do the heavy makeover in the offseason.

How about Murray and Cam J. If Hawks and Nets are just looking for 1sts and expirings, then it could be able to get done without including any starters.

2 1sts + RoCo + Furk for Murray
1 1st + Morris + Reed for Cam J + Giles

Maxey & Murray / Melton, Beverley
Johnson & Harris / Oubre, Batum
Embiid / Bamba, Giles

Kobblehead wrote:The appeal of trading for Mikal Bridges is the hope that he can return to his former 3&D glory.

But there is very much risk involved, given that he appears to just want to be a mindless scorer that earns a big bag in a couple of years.

Mikal may not have a maximum salary, but you'll most probably have to trade assets as if you were dealing with someone deserving of the maximum salary.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2024/1/17/24040898/dejounte-murray-trade-value-victor-wembanyama-center-kram-session

Of note:

Defensively:
Hawks Defense With All-Star Guards Since Last Season:
Young + Murray both on 2473 minutes 118.7 DRTG
Murray on, Young off: 1566 minutes, 118.1 DRTG
Young on, Murray off: 1417 minutes, 117.9 DRTG

Most metrics have his defense falling off a cliff since being traded. Can he turn that around in a different situation and get back to what he was doing in San Antonio to give him that reputation? And even if he did, is he an upgrade over Melton on that end?

Offensively:

Over the past three seasons—which include Murray’s All-Star campaign—he ranks 49th out of 56 high-usage players in TS%. Most of the players behind him were rookies at one point during that stretch.

It's great that he's got the ability to create on that end, particularly given the Sixers lack of guys that can do that outside of Embiid/Maxey. But he's too inefficient to be taking on ball possessions from those guys, and traditionally hasn't been much of an off ball threat. Is his shooting jump real?

The deal with these guys earning 20-30 million per year is that they're mostly two-way role players, like Mikal, Siakam, Jerami Grant or Dejounte. They don't put much energy into defense to focus on scoring 20 points per game and aim to increase their salary to the 30-40 million range, as seen with OG and Siakam (and Tobi). However, being natural role players, their scoring weaknesses become apparent with increased usage, such as a drop in scoring efficiency or struggles to maintain a 20 points or more average in high-pressure situations or against strong defenses.

If you're trading for these guys, you hope that with less offensive usage, their defense will improve and their scoring will become more efficient. This is because they'll be playing alongside Embiid and Maxey, who will alleviate some defensive pressure for them.

youngcrev wrote:

Kobblehead wrote:The appeal of trading for Mikal Bridges is the hope that he can return to his former 3&D glory.

But there is very much risk involved, given that he appears to just want to be a mindless scorer that earns a big bag in a couple of years.

I think that's just his role on the team. On a squad full of limited 3+D guys, he's their best offensive option. He's proven more capable of that than expected, but he's still clearly not that guy. Slot him in as a 3rd option and I think you'd get the best of both worlds.

I was thinking the same thing. I am slightly confident that he would embrace and successfully perform the 3 and D role, with some primary perimeter scoring when Maxey is out.

For this season, I'd try to trade for a backup PG to ease MAxey's worklad and for star wing to match the duo Tatum/Brown on defense.
I'm willing to give up Cov and Morris salaries plus picks and Springer for the star wing.

kriss73 wrote:For this season, I'd try to trade for a backup PG to ease MAxey's worklad and for star wing to match the duo Tatum/Brown on defense.
I'm willing to give up Cov and Morris salaries plus picks and Springer for the star wing.

A star wing? I do believe that There's a starwing waiting in the sky, He'd like to come and meet us but he thinks he'd blow our minds,

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:

kriss73 wrote:For this season, I'd try to trade for a backup PG to ease MAxey's worklad and for star wing to match the duo Tatum/Brown on defense.
I'm willing to give up Cov and Morris salaries plus picks and Springer for the star wing.

A star wing? I do believe that There's a starwing waiting in the sky, He'd like to come and meet us but he thinks he'd blow our minds,

LOL

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Jerami Grant is a bad rebounder not sure why you guys like him so much. Don't push dodgy on offs to try to make Murray look like a bad defender the hawks are a terrible defensive team 1 player is not going to make a difference there unless he is a guy capable of making all first team d. With his tools and history as a spur there is no way if he gives full effort Murray isn't a plus to this teams d.

Jerami Grant is a bad rebounder not sure why you guys like him so much. Don't push dodgy on offs to try to make Murray look like a bad defender the hawks are a terrible defensive team 1 player is not going to make a difference there unless he is a guy capable of making all first team d. With his tools and history as a spur there is no way if he gives full effort Murray isn't a plus to this teams d. That teams bad d goes far beyond whether trae young is on the court or not and sadly I'm not sure young rates much worse then maxey defensively.

brannigan73 wrote:Jerami Grant is a bad rebounder not sure why you guys like him so much. Don't push dodgy on offs to try to make Murray look like a bad defender the hawks are a terrible defensive team 1 player is not going to make a difference there unless he is a guy capable of making all first team d. With his tools and history as a spur there is no way if he gives full effort Murray isn't a plus to this teams d.

Also from the article that those on/off numbers are from:

On-off numbers aren’t everything, but all the data agrees that Murray’s defense has regressed. In 2017-18, the advanced stat LEBRON ranked the young Spur as the top defensive guard in the NBA (minimum 1,000 minutes). In 2020-21, a full year removed from his ACL tear, he ranked fifth. But his defensive score has plummeted each season since.

DRPM has him falling off a negative at this point.
As does DRPM.
As does DRAPTOR.

His steal and block rates are down.

Players he's guarding are shooting 1.7% above their average.

He's still got the tools to be a plus defender, but he has not been good on that end for the Hawks, and as you pointed out, he's not a difference maker on that end.

All of our options suck

I would still try to get Bogdan and Brown/Carusso.

Carusso/Demar i'm also fine with because Demar is expiring

brannigan73 wrote:Jerami Grant is a bad rebounder not sure why you guys like him so much. Don't push dodgy on offs to try to make Murray look like a bad defender the hawks are a terrible defensive team 1 player is not going to make a difference there unless he is a guy capable of making all first team d. With his tools and history as a spur there is no way if he gives full effort Murray isn't a plus to this teams d.

Correct. Trae lineup has more Capela, Murray's lineup has more Bogi. Foolish stats to honor. Murray is no worse than Melton defensively, another guy that isn't lock down, but is effective

On another note. I wouldn't be mad at Morey for going towards fringe starter level backup guards AND center. Like Schroeder and Olynyk. Another guy that can shoot, handle, and play some defense with irrational confidence like Oubre is important.

I remind you that my concern is the fact that good defenses (better than Denver) will crowd Joel and try to let other guys beat them. Nets went supersonic on that last season. 3 people were on him at the touch, and honestly the offensive response wasn't great all the time with such timid shooters. Maxey was a passive guy, I think he's grown. Tobias is not consistent with volume shots, and is timid. PJ Tucker...nuff said. And Harden was hitting crossovers and step backs against thin air to get into rhythm.

Batum improves that, Oubre is unconscious and may be the best at attacking closeouts on the team, and moves off the ball (Batum and Maxey too). So, I already feel better about it. I think they has something to do with the start Joel is having too. However, they obviously need another creator with a similar mindset